Gaming CPU Build

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

I just want my PC to basically run every single game I run at it in high/very high/ultra, it very playable framerate (60-75+).

then you REALLY need a gpu.

 

1080p ultra/1440p high:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$90.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC GAMING Video Card	$339.99 @ B&H
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1020.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$985.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 05:34 EST-0500

 

1440p ultra/4k mid-high

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$259.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$128.09 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$90.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	$674.99 @ Newegg Business
Case	Cooler Master - MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1578.90
	Mail-in rebates	-$25.00
	Total	$1553.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 05:37 EST-0500

 

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

What's a Zen 2? Not to savy with these here parts

CPU architecture that is modular and utilizes the 7nm process. suspected to have 16 cores on its top skew for consumers

[TempestCatto]

Honestly, it's whatever your wallet desires. But the reason I'm going to stick with AMD is because I can upgrade my CPU on the same platform. If Intel would do this, I'd actually shell out and pay the higher prices for them. It's a shame really, because both are now very good but not everything they make is practical.

[BryanY]

to put it short

Intel: Higher clock speed and single-core performance, higher fps in general.

AMD: more cores, better multi-core performance, especially in video decoding/encoding and programming.

 

Intel's fps over AMD is quite significant in lower resolution and lower quality setting.

If you're into fps gaming, wants squeeze as much fps as you can, and going to use a high refresh rate monitor, go for Intel.

However, the margin gets less significant as you go higher resolution, if you're planning on gaming in high resolution, AMD wouldn't be a bad choice for being cheaper and having better multi-core performance.

[Dayglorange]

1 minute ago, BryanY said:

to put it short

Intel: Higher clock speed and single-core performance, higher fps in general.

AMD: more cores, better multi-core performance, especially in video decoding/encoding and programming.

 

Intel's fps over AMD is quite significant in lower resolution and lower quality setting.

If you're into fps gaming, wants squeeze as much fps as you can, and going to use a high refresh rate monitor, go for Intel.

However, the margin gets less significant as you go higher resolution, if you're planning on gaming in high resolution, AMD wouldn't be a bad choice for being cheaper and having better multi-core performance.

^ I can attest to this. I run an AMD system with a 4K monitor and aside from my CPU pooping itself in only the newest titles it absolutely kills otherwise. (I really want to get up to Ryzen asap as I'm still on an FM2+ socket APU)

[CharminUltraStrong]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

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Roll the silicon lottery lolwat? The 8600k's of last gen could hit 5.2Ghz or even 5.3 in the VAST MAJORITY of cases. Most everyone can push their 9600k to 5.2 stable without a hiccup unless your silicon has a crack in which case the CPU wouldn't even work. Sure, Ryzen can upgrade to different CPU's but as we've seen with the Zen refresh, X370 shit its pants until BIOS updates rolled out, even those weren't 100%. You're not guaranteed upgradability/backwards compatibility simply because AMD says so. Also, like I said before, Intel has much higher single core performance. He's not a content creator, he'd be better off with an i5 9600k than anything from the Ryzen lineup because #1 it's competitively priced at 260$ USD as it handily beats the Ryzen 7 2700x in games, #2 has a good core count at 6 cores, #3 has great thermal efficiency. The Ryzen 5 pales in comparison as far as single core, with the Ryzen 7 2700x only really competing with the i5.

[Cryptonite]

10 hours ago, HulkyThicc said:

So, I keep ending up in an "argument" with a friend about Intel or AMD for gaming, but it's getting me nowhere. He keeps saying that Intel is dog shoit, and AMD is the place to be for gaming or just overall performance, yet he's given me no solid evidence of this claim, other than Linus says it's better, and that he's tested it himself (my friend) before. So, with that in mind, I went onto YouTube as you do, and looked up AMD vs Intel (mainly in gaming), and I see an absolute clear winner; Intel. I keep seeing it beat AMD with a difference of FPS of 5+, 10+, or even 20+. Now, for overall performance like opening programs, editing, etc. I haven't looked this up yet as I'm hoping I can get a clear answer here. I'm going to be getting my PC in 2 days, and it's going to be a $1,700, and would really, REALLLY not want to make a mistake, and have to wait another year to fix it. If you see this, and have any sort of knowledge on my question, please let me know. Thanks!

ok first off, what screen do you use? are you going to be gaming at 60 fps or 144? it really depends. for gaming & doing other tasks I'd personally go Ryzen since it's cheaper and the performance difference is really not that big. it only starts getting anywhere over 100 fps anyway so for 60 - 80 fps gaming I'd rather buy a Ryzen cpu and a beefier GPU than a intel equivalent and a crappier GPU because my budget got F'ed by Intel's heavy pricing AMD is more than capable and a lot of review are before certain optimizations etc.

 

When a better AMD cpu comes out you can save on buying a new mobo since yours will be compatible. Intel searches for reasons to change the mobo socket.

Get a Ryzen CPU and a better GPU. gaming relies a lot heavier on the GPU than CPU. You'll be fine with either though.

[Cryptonite]

10 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

then you REALLY need a gpu.

 

1080p ultra/1440p high:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon

 

1440p ultra/4k mid-high

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$259.99 @ Walmart

 

wait, why? High refresh rate 1080 / 1440 will like the i5 more than 4k cares anything about whether it has the R5 or the i5 since the GPU is more of a bottleneck at 4k than the cpu.

[HulkyThicc]

Ok. I don't need to have literally everything about my PC to be EXACTLY perfect for gaming or just in general. I just want a good PC that's amazing, not superior to anything else, but amazing. I just want to know that I can play mostly any game I want in ultra 1080p, and be able to watch YouTube, and movies at the end of the day. I don't edit, I don't stream, I don't need anything for those specific tasks.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Cryptonite said:

wait, why? High refresh rate 1080 / 1440 will like the i5 more than 4k cares anything about whether it has the R5 or the i5 since the GPU is more of a bottleneck at 4k than the cpu.

so?

 

I'm just listing some expectations

 

and fyi, it doesn't matter if i game on 480p or 8k, the load on a cpu won't be that much different

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, HulkyThicc said:

Ok. I don't need to have literally everything about my PC to be EXACTLY perfect for gaming or just in general. I just want a good PC that's amazing, not superior to anything else, but amazing. I just want to know that I can play mostly any game I want in ultra 1080p, and be able to watch YouTube, and movies at the end of the day. I don't edit, I don't stream, I don't need anything for those specific tasks.

then that 2600 build should perfectly get the job done for much less money

[Stefan Payne]

36 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

He keeps saying that Intel is dog shoit,

He is right. Look up the 1,07 Millard Euro Fine.

36 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

and AMD is the place to be for gaming or just overall performance,

True as there is an upgrade path in the future and not on Intel side.

Also the price is dramatically lower and you get 8 Cores and 16 Threads for next to nothing.

 

36 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

I went onto YouTube as you do, and looked up AMD vs Intel (mainly in gaming), and I see an absolute clear winner; Intel.

Have you looked at the price??
What you often see is that people compare 500€ AMD CPUs vs. 150-250€ AMD CPUs.

 

Was the same back in the day when the "fastest" AMD CPU was like 150€ or 175€ and they compared it to a 300-400€ Intel CPU - yeah makes sense --- NOT...

 

36 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

I'm going to be getting my PC in 2 days,

Condolences as there will be a big leap forward coming in the next 6 Months or so and now you have to waste money on an inferior system because you bought at the wrong time.

 

Yeah yeah, people will now claim that you can always wait for the next best thing, yeah but:
a) its not always this close

b) its not always this big of a leap.

 

Back in the day a die shrink was a big deal wich gave some big improvements.

 

36 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

and would really, REALLLY not want to make a mistake, and have to wait another year to fix it.

Then you should just do the absolute necessary thing right now and get the new thing in Summer.

Alternatively you can risk it and waste around 150€ or so and hope that your system will support the upcoming products and go with a mid range Ryzen 2600 with the plan to replace it when the BIOS for Ryzen 3000 is out with such CPU.

 

[Cryptonite]

10 hours ago, HulkyThicc said:

Ok. I don't need to have literally everything about my PC to be EXACTLY perfect for gaming or just in general. I just want a good PC that's amazing, not superior to anything else, but amazing. I just want to know that I can play mostly any game I want in ultra 1080p, and be able to watch YouTube, and movies at the end of the day. I don't edit, I don't stream, I don't need anything for those specific tasks.

then get a Ryzen 5 and focus on a good GPU

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

Sure, Ryzen can upgrade to different CPU's but as we've seen with the Zen refresh, X370 shit its pants until BIOS updates rolled out, even those weren't 100%

um yes. a mobo doesnt boot if it doesnt recognise the CPU. 

1 minute ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

You're not guaranteed upgradability/backwards compatibility simply because AMD says so

what mobos didnt receive BIOS update? last time i checked every respectable mobo brand pushed out updates. the veast majority a week after launch. also SP3 supports Zen 2, and iirc AM4 does the same. 

3 minutes ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

He's not a content creator, he'd be better off with an i5 9600k than anything from the Ryzen lineup because #1 it's competitively priced at 260$ USD as it handily beats the Ryzen 7 2700x in games, #2 has a good core count at 6 cores, #3 has great thermal efficiency. The Ryzen 5 pales in comparison as far as single core, with the Ryzen 7 2700x only really competing with the i5.

agreed. but that isnt really the system im suggesting for him. im suggesting Zen 2. and since he is seemingly spending every penny, that would be the choice to go for if he wants to avoid buyers remorse. 

5 minutes ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

Roll the silicon lottery lolwat? The 8600k's of last gen could hit 5.2Ghz or even 5.3 in the VAST MAJORITY of cases.

iirc 5,1ghz is common but 5,2 and 5,3 is tossing into silicon lottery territory. and this using silicon lottery numbers who does this with delidded CPUs. 

[GoldenLag]

OP the best choice for the reuirements you set would be the cheaper r5 2600 system @LukeSavenije put earlier in the thread. perhaps with some smaller adjestments if youd like. 

[Domrockt]

all in all both Manufacure do allmost the same in 4k with an single GPU. Intel leads in the error of margin terratory. 

So low res 1080p high fps = Intel

mid res 1440p high fps = meh both are good  but intel is better

high res 4k high fps? what high fps? if you can spend the quadrillion earth rupees for a 144hz 4k monitor go for intel if not buy a good 4k monitor and buy a cheaper high end AMD it will do the job as fine as an intel will do.

[HulkyThicc]

I'm getting scared by seeing these alien terms being thrown around like confetti here. This place is like going from 0 knowledge, to seeing a god like Cthulhu. I just want a good computer. I don't need no beastly computer that's going smash records or nothing, I just want a noice PC to play games like GTAV 1080p, high - ultra, Metro Exodus, etc. If one of you gods can adjust my list, but not make the price more than $50 bigger, but have the exact same performance as it would have in my current build you guys seen me post above.

[HulkyThicc]

I already have GTX1080Ti on Amazon that's cheaper than the one's I seen on PCP at the time.

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, HulkyThicc said:

I'm getting scared by seeing these alien terms being thrown around like confetti here. This place is like going from 0 knowledge, to seeing a god like Cthulhu. I just want a good computer. I don't need no beastly computer that's going smash records or nothing, I just want a noice PC to play games like GTAV 1080p, high - ultra, Metro Exodus, etc. If one of you gods can adjust my list, but not make the price more than $50 bigger, but have the exact same performance as it would have in my current build you guys seen me post above.

the build Luke suggested is then exactly what you are looking for. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$90.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC GAMING Video Card	$339.99 @ B&H
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1020.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$985.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 06:17 EST-0500

 

specifically this one. 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, HulkyThicc said:

I already have GTX1080Ti on Amazon that's cheaper than the one's I seen on PCP at the time.

except if you can find a really REALLY good deal on a 1080 ti, there's no need for it on 1080p

 

look at this build again

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$90.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC GAMING Video Card	$339.99 @ B&H
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1020.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$985.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 05:34 EST-0500

[HulkyThicc]

Uhhhh, not to sound like that 'I need FPS' dude, but I've seen the 1080Ti decimate the 2060 in literally every test I've been shown, and that's not what I'm looking for. 2070 is more like it as it keeps up with it 90% of time within a 10 FPS gap or so.

 

[HulkyThicc]

I don't want to downgrade from the GTX1080Ti. Like, 100% keeping the bad boy.

 

[BryanY]

4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

except if you can find a really REALLY good deal on a 1080 ti, there's no need for it on 1080p

 

look at this build again

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$90.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB XC GAMING Video Card	$339.99 @ B&H
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1020.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$985.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 05:34 EST-0500

I'd swap that Crucial P1 to other MLC drive, QLC is a big disappointment

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, HulkyThicc said:

Uhhhh, not to sound like that 'I need FPS' dude, but I've seen the 1080Ti decimate the 2060 in literally every test I've been shown, and that's not what I'm looking for. 2070 is more like it as it keeps up with it 90% of time within a 10 FPS gap or so.

 

swap the 2060 with the 1080ti then. but you really dont need it

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, BryanY said:

I'd swap that Crucial P1 to other MLC drive, QLC is a big disappointment

qlc isn't the best, but come on

 

for this price nvme is hard to resist