Can different motherboards be better at overclocking than another, even if same chipset?

[Hydra453]

So I am getting an i7 9700K, and am looking for a motherboard to go with it.

I am wondering if it matters which motherboard I get. I am looking to overclock, but I want to know if it matter which specific model I get.

For example, if there are two motherboards that are both of the Z390 chipset, but one is significantly higher priced than the other, will it make a difference in overclocking performance, and performance in general?

 

Thanks

[xg32]

yes it matters, mostly the vrm and its temps, pick a z390 gigabyte board that's within your budget and you are good to go.

[Constantin]

Probably it could.....

But not at the point that CPU's does.

I guess.

 

[xreaperx22]

53 minutes ago, Hydra453 said:

So I am getting an i7 9700K, and am looking for a motherboard to go with it.

I am wondering if it matters which motherboard I get. I am looking to overclock, but I want to know if it matter which specific model I get.

For example, if there are two motherboards that are both of the Z390 chipset, but one is significantly higher priced than the other, will it make a difference in overclocking performance, and performance in general?

 

Thanks

main thing to look for is the powerphase,some boards only have 10 some have 12, something like msi's godlike has 16 plus 2 for memory,alot of gigabyte aorus boards are 16 also.

[bowrilla]

The right motherboard can have a massive influence. You can have cheap boards with Z390 or Z370 chipsets, that on paper support a certain chip but that come with terribly poor VRM layouts that barely handle stock speeds on bigger CPUs with lots of cores (i.e. 9900k). Even a decent VRM layout can be messed up with insufficient cooling. The higher you push the clockspeed of your cpu the more power it needs the hotter the mosfets of your VRM get. If you're looking for max performance and stability, the VRM design of a mainboard is priority 1. While the 9700k is not as demanding as a 9900k, it still is an 8 core cpu with equivalent power requirements - the soldered heatspreader doesn't mean much, that chip still runs toasty - another aspect to keep in mind.

 

There's an overview at Overclockers.net: https://www.overclock.net/forum/27657582-post2156.html#/topics/1638955?page=216&gid=1&pid=1

 

I wouldn't buy anything below the 200W class for a 9700k with OC in mind.

 

2 minutes ago, xreaperx22 said:

main thing to look for is the powerphase,some boards only have 10 some have 12, something like msi's godlike has 16 plus 2 for memory,alot of gigabyte aorus boards are 16 also.

Probably not real phases though but (semi-) doubled ones. Reads well on paper and looks great at first glance but doesn't mean much (in case of the semi-doubled ones). 

[porina]

It does, but how much depends on how hard you want to push. If you're just going for low hanging fruit, there isn't much between them. The more you push, the more the differences start to matter. Trace layouts can affect ram OC. Also OC friendly features like buttons on the mobo and status displays can help when running on a test bench.

[xreaperx22]

13 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

The right motherboard can have a massive influence. You can have cheap boards with Z390 or Z370 chipsets, that on paper support a certain chip but that come with terribly poor VRM layouts that barely handle stock speeds on bigger CPUs with lots of cores (i.e. 9900k). Even a decent VRM layout can be messed up with insufficient cooling. The higher you push the clockspeed of your cpu the more power it needs the hotter the mosfets of your VRM get. If you're looking for max performance and stability, the VRM design of a mainboard is priority 1. While the 9700k is not as demanding as a 9900k, it still is an 8 core cpu with equivalent power requirements - the soldered heatspreader doesn't mean much, that chip still runs toasty - another aspect to keep in mind.

 

There's an overview at Overclockers.net: https://www.overclock.net/forum/27657582-post2156.html#/topics/1638955?page=216&gid=1&pid=1

 

I wouldn't buy anything below the 200W class for a 9700k with OC in mind.

 

Probably not real phases though but (semi-) doubled ones. Reads well on paper and looks great at first glance but doesn't mean much (in case of the semi-doubled ones). 

idk but the board i have now has 10 phase power and my 6700k is oced to 4.7 stable 24/7 whether those are semi-doubled or not they work better than the crap board i had before with like 8 stage power,and i couldnt oc at all really

[bowrilla]

3 minutes ago, xreaperx22 said:

idk but the board i have now has 10 phase power and my 6700k is oced to 4.7 stable 24/7 whether those are semi-doubled or not they work better than the crap board i had before with like 8 stage power,and i couldnt oc at all really

And what board do you have?

 

German site hardwareluxx.de has a good overview over the real phase count (echte Phasen): https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/lga-1151-mainboard-vrm-liste-1175784.html#z370

 

Edit: A semi-doubled layout only doubles like the low or high side mosfet. That distributes a little heat but it's not a full second phase nor is it a real doubled phase. For doubling you need a doubler.

[xreaperx22]

Just now, bowrilla said:

And what board do you have?

 

German site hardwareluxx.de has a good overview over the real phase count (echte Phasen): https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/lga-1151-mainboard-vrm-liste-1175784.html#z370

i originally had some off brand ecs junk than switched to an asus maximus formula VIII

[bowrilla]

4 minutes ago, xreaperx22 said:

i originally had some off brand ecs junk than switched to an asus maximus formula VIII

While certainly quite a good board, ASUS' PR department definitely went quite overboard with their advertising babble to the point of blatant lies with a lot of their Maximus boards:

 

[xreaperx22]

Just now, bowrilla said:

While certainly quite a good board, ASUS' PR department definitely went quite overboard with their advertising babble to the point of blatant lies with a lot of their Maximus boards:

 

yeah i never even looked at a review before i bought the thing tho,the main selling point for me was the water block on the vrm's only real reason i bought it lol but it worked for me so im happy,but now its time for a new build so yeah...also mines an 8 not an 11 so that video has no bearing..