Can PSU support upgrade?

[PerryT78]

Hi everybody,

I am currently using a Thermaltake - TT500NL2NL 500W PSU and am looking to upgrade to these PC specs:

- GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GPU

- AMD Ryzen 5 2600 CPU

- AsRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 Motherboard

- 8 GB DDR4 RAM.

 

Is my 500W PSU able to run these components safely and also are these parts compatible together, just want to get another opinion.

 

Thanks! 

[Derrk]

Definitely has enough power. If its really old you may want to consider upgrading

[Nocte]

It can run the components in terms of wattage. Safely? Mmh... (no). 

[Jurrunio]

this unit isnt safe itself

[LamoidZombieDog]

3 hours ago, Nocte said:

It can run the components in terms of wattage. Safely? Mmh... (no). 

 

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

this unit isnt safe itself

 

 

You can 100% run those specs on a 500W PSU. i had a ryzen 7 1800X and a gtx 1050 2GB, with 16GB of ram once, and a 750W PSU was overkill
but i only had it because of upgrades. like now i have an 8GB 1070

regardless, Yes. You can 100% run those specs on a 500W psu Safely. would i recommend 600W? Yes Defidently. but if you have no money (even know its only 25$) you are 100% Safe.

Edited January 6, 2019 by colonel_mortis

[JRzoid]

no...Because Thermaltake is making a bunch of cheap psu's...their nicer ones are ok. but it is cheap.

They sell them at best buy...what do you think? lol....

 

I'm telling you buy that CM GXII off ebay...vender selling em for only 60$....I have not seen that quality in a 750w in a longggg time lol.  

[Jurrunio]

7 hours ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

You can 100% run those specs on a 500W PSU. i had a ryzen 7 1800X and a gtx 1050 2GB, with 16GB of ram once, and a 750W PSU was overkill
but i only had it because of upgrades. like now i have an 8GB 1070

regardless, Yes. You can 100% run those specs on a 500W psu Safely. would i recommend 600W? Yes Defidently. but if you have no money (even know its only 25$) you are 100% Safe.

Yeah why not drive a car with no airbag, it can still get you from point A to B. The Litepower doesnt have over temperature protection, so it can melt itself until other protections kick in which is often too late.

[Spotty]

7 hours ago, PerryT78 said:

I am currently using a Thermaltake - TT500NL2NL 500W PSU

Looks like it's one of the Litepower models. Same model number: https://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001857

Not as bad as some other Litepower models like the ones that claim to be 500W "peak output" but 400W "continuous" (and even then most of that is on 5v/3.3v so not really useful for modern systems)... But it's still a Litepower.

If you're buying all new parts for the rest of the system then you may as well buy a new PSU as well. What country are you in and what would be your budget for a new PSU?
 

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Yeah why not drive a car with no airbag, it can still get you from point A to B. The Litepower doesnt have over temperature protection, so it can melt itself until other protections kick in which is often too late.

According to the Thermaltake website it only has OVP, OPP and SCP.
OVP is 15.6V on 12V rail and OPP will trip somewhere between 130% - 160% of max rated output. So realistically these are worthless and I'm pretty sure my hardware will be long dead before it reaches 15.6V/160% max output.
And that's what the manufacturer claims.

 

7 hours ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

You can 100% run those specs on a 500W PSU. i had a ryzen 7 1800X and a gtx 1050 2GB, with 16GB of ram once, and a 750W PSU was overkill
but i only had it because of upgrades. like now i have an 8GB 1070

regardless, Yes. You can 100% run those specs on a 500W psu Safely. would i recommend 600W? Yes Defidently. but if you have no money (even know its only 25$) you are 100% Safe.

Wattage is not the issue. Quality is. The system they listed with a Ryzen 2600 + GTX 1050Ti will use less than 200W. If you would recommend a 600W PSU for a system like that then you don't know what you're talking about.

[JRzoid]

Yes you can on a quality 500-600w unit...just the thing there is ones of lesser component quality. You do not know what you speak of either lol

 

But you are not hurting anything trying to find an ok and quality 750w unit. Will only pull what's required. Nothing wrong having headroom. A lot of them were built better and really well. 

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, PerryT78 said:

Is my 500W PSU able to run these components safely and also are these parts compatible together, just want to get another opinion.

No its not good enough quality to be safely used with those components.

 

If you use it, you will have problems with the PC (random freezes, reboots, shutdowns) and/or it will kill the rest of your stuff rather soon.

So you have to get a new, good quality PSU as well. 400-450W is more than enough.

[Froug]

44 minutes ago, JRzoid said:

Yes you can on a quality 500-600w unit...just the thing there is ones of lesser component quality. You do not know what you speak of either lol

 

But you are not hurting anything trying to find an ok and quality 750w unit. Will only pull what's required. Nothing wrong having headroom. A lot of them were built better and really well. 

Yes, there is absolutely nothing wrong getting an 'ok' 750W PSU. The issue here is that:

1. It seems like OP is on a budget. Someone buying a 1050 Ti probably doesn't want to overkill on a PSU.

2. You can get a 500W unit of more quality for the same price aqua 750W unit with lesser quality .

3. Not many people need 750W units, (EVGA 1080s SC in SLI take about 400 watts alone. It doesn't make a lot of sense if you have a 1050 Ti and you buy a 750W power supply.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

 

You can 100% run those specs on a 500W PSU. i had a ryzen 7 1800X and a gtx 1050 2GB, with 16GB of ram once, and a 750W PSU was overkill

 

Dude, its not about the Wattage. Its about the quality of the PSU!

If you do not understand what other people are talking about, pls feel free to ask them but do NOT attack them because you don't understand why they are talking the way they do.

 

Because its NEVER about the Wattage!

Its about age and quality of the PSU. Not all PSU are equal! Some are good and extend the life of your components and don't cause much trouble. Some are out of spec when you plug the Plug in.

 

Look at this thing:

https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/apevia-turbolink-atx-tl450w-bk-power-supply-review/

 

 

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but i only had it because of upgrades. like now i have an 8GB 1070

regardless, Yes. You can 100% run those specs on a 500W psu Safely. would i recommend 600W? Yes Defidently. but if you have no money (even know its only 25$) you are 100% Safe.

No, he can not use that safely with THAT 500W PSU!

Nobody here talks about the Wattage because that's not what its about!

Wattage is irrelevant. Quality matters. 

 

And 600W for THAT is total nonsense. Lower wattage, higher quality beats the shit out of lower quality higher wattage units...

 

You wouldn't use China Tyres on a car you like, you'd prefer Dunlop, Pirelli or other good qualty ones, after you read Tests and know wich is good. Why the heck don't you do that for PSU as well?!
 

Good PSU are like good oil in your car. Bad PSU are like shitty (and too old) oil in your car. It will kill your shit!!

THAT is what you miss...

[JRzoid]

Well the GXII leaves a little more desired for 12v rail filtering..we have a couple of KZE chemicon 2200uf's. and they are ok and General Purpose.

 

But we are Excellent with 5v and 3.3v...3300uf Rubycon. 

 

I have no 16v 3300uf's anymore...or I would make that swap. You could try a 10v supposedly. 

Teapo and Asia X and Capxcon is not considered Quality of that level. 

 

If I had the Samaxon of the Size, would be on par and close as well.

 

Overall ok unit. 

 

[Nocte]

7 hours ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

You can 100% run those specs on a 500W PSU. i had a ryzen 7 1800X and a gtx 1050 2GB, with 16GB of ram once, and a 750W PSU was overkill
but i only had it because of upgrades. like now i have an 8GB 1070

regardless, Yes. You can 100% run those specs on a 500W psu Safely. would i recommend 600W? Yes Defidently. but if you have no money (even know its only 25$) you are 100% Safe.

What did you not understand about:

7 hours ago, Nocte said:

It can run the components in terms of wattage.

I just mentioned it was not safe, as described by other people in the thread now.

[LamoidZombieDog]

40 minutes ago, Nocte said:

What did you not understand about:

I just mentioned it was not safe, as described by other people in the thread now.

And why would it not be Safe?

[Nocte]

49 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

And why would it not be Safe?

Low quality components and age? Would you want a PSU that does not stop when it is malfunctioning (e.g. too high temperature?), but instead keeps running and fries your motherboard, CPU, GPU, or even worse burn your PC (or in extreme worst case scenarios: room? house?)? No. The PSU is literally one of the things you should not cheap out on. You are risking to kill the more expensive components you managed to buy by cheaping out on the PSU or even worse. Not worth it.

 

If you are interested in the topic the internet is full of resources about this.

If you just want a quick list to decide which PSU to buy, this one is pretty good:

 

 

[LamoidZombieDog]

9 minutes ago, Nocte said:

Low quality components and age? Would you want a PSU that does not stop when it is malfunctioning (e.g. too high temperature?), but instead keeps running and fries your motherboard, CPU, GPU, or even worse burn your PC (or in extreme worst case scenarios: room? house?)? No. The PSU is literally one of the things you should not cheap out on. You are risking to kill the more expensive components you managed to buy by cheaping out on the PSU or even worse. Not worth it.

 

If you are interested in the topic the internet is full of resources about this.

If you just want a quick list to decide which PSU to buy, this one is pretty good:

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You can get good PSUs for 30$ at top brands too. you dont need to spend 80$ on a PSU like i did. i only did because i wanted the RGB.

 

6 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

You can get good PSUs for 30$ at top brands too. you dont need to spend 80$ on a PSU like i did. i only did because i wanted the RGB.

The PSUs i sell to customers when theirs dies, is what ever the best value is. right now its a Thermaltake 450W at 35$

[Stefan Payne]

1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

You can get good PSUs for 30$ at top brands too. you dont need to spend 80$ on a PSU like i did. i only did because i wanted the RGB.

You really have no idea about PSU, do you?! But why are you then trying to discuss if the PSU is OK or not?? That is not really OK...

Do you want that @PerryT78 kills his system? Do you want him to have some unnecessary problems like random shutdowns, reboots?? I don't...

 

 

Do you know the difference between group regulation, double mag-amp, DC-DC??
Do you know the difference between 120mV ripple on 12V and 20mV on 12V?
Do you know the difference between staying in spec all the time under all conditions and going out of spec with "normal load"??

There is far more to a PSU than wattage. And there is a reason why the good stuff is more expensive.

 

If you don't care about that, its your thing but there are people that spend a bit more thoughts on PSU than you do...

 

1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

The PSUs i sell to customers when theirs dies, is what ever the best value is. right now its a Thermaltake 450W at 35$

Your poor customers

Why do you sell such shit?! Because you can make more money a year or two later when the PSU kills the components??

 

And no, you're completely wrong. The best value right now, where available, is the be quiet System Power 9, 400W and up. Or the U9 for the rest of the world. As well as Xilence Performance X.

 

Because they at least regulate the 5V without any dependance on 12V load and vice versa.

[Stefan Payne]

1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

but everyone is saying it will die, when it wont, the Wattage is more then enough to power the specs he listed.

again, it is NOT about the wattage!

Wattage is not the issue. Never was. Never will be. Nobody here says that Wattage is the Problem.

 

Its the way the PSU works that is the Problem.

The Voltages that the PSU put out is the Problem.

The age of the PSU is the Problem as it might be designed in a different time for different 

 

You also didn't answer the question about the Technology of the PSU. 
There are people here, for example myself, that are very interested in PSU and how they work. If you don't care about that, no problem. But then listen to what people have to say and ask why they thing that, don't insult them.

1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

And no. you dont need an 80$ psu for it to be "good" a 35$ psu will do the same exact thing.

You are wrong. Just plain wrong.

There is a difference in expected lifetime between most PSU for 35€, wich you call good and the good stuff for 80€ or more.

 

There is a reason that one of those is more expensive than the other.

 

One of them is expected lifetime. The other is far stricter specifications. ie Voltage regulation of 1% or less is common for the more expensive units. 

And also Ripple far under 60mV under 100% load.

 

And also with no load on 5V and all the load on 12V, the voltages also will stay inside Spec. That is not the case with the cheapos you think are "good".

 

Here a Review:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=569

11,26V is out of spec. The spec only allows 11.4-12.6V

3,562V is out of spec. 3,3V is only allowed between 3,15V and 3,45V (IIRC or something like that). 

 

And with age and dying capacitors, it gets worse. Especially on such cheap units...

 

Again, you get what you paid for. And a PSU is not something you should save too much money on it. Even if you think that it is a good idea. It is not...

Sadly you can't see the Voltage of the PSU easily, without 10k€ Equipment...

[Nocte]

56 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

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Well, the new CX450 from Corsair is good enough not be a fire hazard and retails for $30-40. Might not be as good as ones you mentioned, but "cheap" PSUs that are "fine" exist.

1 hour ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

You can get good PSUs for 30$ at top brands too. you dont need to spend 80$ on a PSU like i did. i only did because i wanted the RGB.

Depends from your own definition of good.

My Corsair SF450 is RGB-less and is a $100 unit. One of the best SF PSUs on the market in terms of build quality. I'm pretty sure I did not overpay the unit because it does not have RGB.

[Stefan Payne]

15 minutes ago, Nocte said:

Well, the new CX450 from Corsair is good enough not be a fire hazard and retails for $30-40. Might not be as good as ones you mentioned, but "cheap" PSUs that are "fine" exist.

Rebates don't count.  

Normal Price for that is like 48€.

So it doesn't really fall into tahat category and is more in the 50€ area 

 

And for that we're in the "pretty OK" area. But under that price the best that is possible is Xilence Performance A+ and be quiet System Power, both 400W or more...

But both also come with simple sleeve bearing fans as well...

[Elo Gaming]

Hey, I know there is a lot of information and misunderstanding in this topic/forum but I just wanted to give you a suggestion and a review on the current power supply and its predecessor. The Corsair CX550M has given me great usage so far with no overheating whatsoever and its semi-modular which is a bonus. Its not the best bang for the buck PSU out there but it does do the job without any issues, at least from my experience. I have a 1050ti and a 6700k, which is a similar build to yours and ive done minor overclocks and the Power Supply seemed just fine so I just wanted to reccommend this PSU for you. I built my friend a PC and i threw in a CX450 and it performed just fine as well. The main thing I want to emphasize as many others already have, is make sure when you are shopping for a good quality PSU that you want to last instead of blowing up you PC you should look for good CONTINUOUS wattage and check the reviews. You dont need too much wattage as anything above 500W wont benefit you in any way unless you upgrade in the future. Make sure you get the right form factor PSU and everything that you need comes with it. I do not have much knowledge at all in how PSUs work or other specific details but from a fellow PC builder i just wanted to give my opinion on these power supplies to you.

[Nocte]

18 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Rebates don't count.

On Amazon US it is at $39 no rebates. 

[Elo Gaming]

Just now, Nocte said:

On Amazon US it is at $39 no rebates. 

I got my CX550M when it was on sale for $30 which was lower than the 450W version at that time. So you just have to keep checking sometimes and the price changes.

[1000donny]

10 hours ago, JRzoid said:

no...Because Thermaltake is making a bunch of cheap psu's...their nicer ones are ok. but it is cheap.

They sell them at best buy...what do you think? lol....

 

I'm telling you buy that CM GXII off ebay...vender selling em for only 60$....I have not seen that quality in a 750w in a longggg time lol.  

I bought a CX650M at best buy and its powering my main PC, what does the place where its being sold have to do with it? I bought a GTX 1060 at bestbuy, its amazing.