Microsoft's real reason for purchasing GitHub has now become clear | Your private GitHub repositories aren't actually "private" anymore

[AlTech]

 

Just now, Ganz said:

Private is not open source.

I never said it was. 

[JoostinOnline]

You're assuming the worst based on very little information.

[Mira Yurizaki]

4 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

Okay, I failed a spot check

 

And thinking it over, I also don't think this is VS shipping with some AI that was trained. Rather, it comes with a dumb AI that you need to provide it training data so it can learn how to tune Intellisense to your projects. It's just that now it can access private repositories that you choose yourself.

Edited December 10, 2018 by M.Yurizaki

[Ashleyyyy]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

They were using open source code and now they're using proprietary code from private GitHub repositories which don't belong to them.

 

1 minute ago, brwainer said:

I agree with the above posters who say that this article is being misread as bigger than it really is. From reading the sources, it sounds to me like Visual Studio 2019 will have a feature for individual developers to link their private repositories for the software to scan and give them personalized coding suggestions. I did not get the impression from the sources that Microsft is treating each and every private repository as free reign for them to use.

i guess this is a good explaination... i guess it's the same way. i read nowhere that they will be indexing every private repository... 

and even if they would, it would be in the EULA. 

 

conclusion: if you are afraid of spying don't use a MS owned platform i guess. 

[AlTech]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Okay, I failed a spot check

 

And thinking it over, I also don't think this is VS:Code shipping with some AI that was trained. Rather, it comes with a dumb AI that you need to provide it training data so it can learn how to tune Intellisense to your projects.

We're not talking VS Code. We're talking Visual Studio 2019 and both have been provided training data as the article states.

[Guest]

Someone should do something to limit the amount of clickbait in the Tech News section... perhaps a 3 day waiting period for repeat offenders.

[Tech Enthusiast]

2 minutes ago, Ganz said:

I was at the microsoft event in which the announced the visual studio 2019 preview and a lot on where they talked about this.  They use open source github repositories for some features including a new (and incredible) feature called Intellicode for AI assisted intellisense.  Private is not open source.

They offered the capabilities to add your own private codebase so it can learn your own habits (such as business) and that learning only applies to you.

Thank you for the confirmation of what people not blindly hating expected.

 

Can we lock this now please? I really use this forum to get some NON clickbaity and NON fake news about tech.

And we already don't have (enforced) rules about clickbait, but at least shut down flat out false informations. Pretty please.

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

Thank you for the confirmation of what people not blindly hating expected.

 

Can we lock this now please? I really use this forum to get some NON clickbaity and NON fake news about tech.

And we already don't have (enforced) rules about clickbait, but at least shut down flat out false informations. Pretty please.

We do. Whiskers, I and some others had a chat in a Thread in Forum feature suggestions. 

 

This isn't false information.

[Ganz]

Here's some information I have in my notes from the keynote regarding, Visual Studio 2019, Intellicode and GitHub.

Visual Studio 2019 will have heavy github integration (which scared me because they had no information on TFS though I can confirm from the preview it still integrates just the same with TFS).  Some of the cool new features coming in Visual Studio 2019 include an extension called intellicode.  This extension used AI/Machine Learning to examine open source GitHub repositories to provide real-time 'smart' intellisense offering suggestions that make the most sense.  If you just use the base intellicode extension you are getting only what its learned from publicly available GitHub repositories.  

You can also provide it AI your own codebase to learn from as well as change the config file on styling.  For example if you have an agreed upon company wide styling, you can provide that to intellicode.  From my understanding of the whole talk, the AI never touches private repositories.

[Mira Yurizaki]

7 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

We're not talking VS Code. We're talking Visual Studio 2019 and both have been provided training data as the article states.

I edited my post.

 

Instead of going off of some news story about this, let's go directly to the source itself: Micrsoft.

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Until now, IntelliCode’s recommendations have been based on learning patterns from thousands of open source GitHub repos. But what if you’re using code that isn’t in that set of repos? Perhaps you use a lot of internal utility and base class libraries, or domain-specific libraries that aren’t commonly used in open source code, and would like to see IntelliCode recommendations for them too? If you’re using C#, you can now have IntelliCode learn patterns and make recommendations based on your own code!

 

When you open Visual Studio after installing the updated IntelliCode Extension for Visual Studio, you’ll see a prompt that lets you know about training on your code, and will direct you to the brand new IntelliCode page to get started. You can also find the new page under View > Other Windows > IntelliCode.  Once training is done, we’ll let you know about the top classes we found usage for, so you can just open a C# file and start typing to try out the new recommendations. We keep the trained models secured, so only you and those who have been given your model’s sharing link can access them–so your model and what it’s learned about your code stay private to you. See our FAQ for more details.

 

And from the FAQ just to see what they say:

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Q: What makes “AI-assisted IntelliSense” powered by IntelliCode better than regular IntelliSense?

With IntelliCode, the completion list suggests the most likely correct API for a developer to use rather than presenting a simple alphabetical list of members. To provide this dynamic list, IntelliCode uses the developer's current code context and patterns based on thousands of highly rated, open-source projects on GitHub. The results form a model that predicts the most likely and most relevant API calls.

For C# developers, IntelliCode can learn patterns from your code. This means IntelliCode can make recommendations on code that isn’t in the open-source domain, for example, methods in your own utility classes or domain-specific library calls. For more information, see IntelliCode models based on your code FAQ.

Note

For models trained on open-source projects, IntelliCode doesn't collect any user-defined code. For models that learn patterns from your code, IntelliCode only collects the minimum data required to create the model. We keep the trained models secured, and only you and those you choose to share them with can access them. Your model and what it’s learned about your code stays private to you. For more information, see What is sent to Microsoft to create my model and the question about privacy.

 

So uh, still not connecting the dots here that Intellisense is sifting through all of the private GitHub repos, only the ones you own with your consent.

Edited December 10, 2018 by M.Yurizaki
English is not working for me today.

[goodtofufriday]

10 minutes ago, Ganz said:

I was at the microsoft event in which the announced the visual studio 2019 preview and a lot on where they talked about this.  They use open source github repositories for some features including a new (and incredible) feature called Intellicode for AI assisted intellisense.  Private is not open source.

They offered the capabilities to add your own private codebase so it can learn your own habits (such as business) and that learning only applies to you. It does not share that with others.  

Quoting just to have this repeated over the fantasies written in the OP

[PlayStation 2]

This thread made me remember why I left the forums ~2 months ago.

Because no one bothers with research, no one bothers to agree to disagree and no one bothers to admit they're wrong.

[Ashleyyyy]

12 minutes ago, Ganz said:

I was at the microsoft event in which the announced the visual studio 2019 preview and a lot on where they talked about this.  They use open source github repositories for some features including a new (and incredible) feature called Intellicode for AI assisted intellisense.  Private is not open source.

They offered the capabilities to add your own private codebase so it can learn your own habits (such as business) and that learning only applies to you. It does not share that with others.  

thank you for the clarification... this doesn't seem like a bad thing to me at all... if anything good on MS for giving people options... 

[Ashleyyyy]

1 minute ago, handymanshandle said:

no one bothers to admit they're wrong.

that isn't true. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Also if Microsoft really committed a serious privacy gaffe, the title, tone, and possibly the author of the article would've been very different.

 

An invasion of privacy would not be in an article discussing what's improved with a new product.

[Ganz]

Nat Friedman (GitHub CEO) also was there to talk during the keynote.  Not much is changing with GitHub.  In fact Microsoft themselves were pushing open source the entire event.

[givingtnt]

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Again, it's not fake news.

No, but I'd say it has a pretty misleading tone 

[Morgan MLGman]

Thread locked - it's clearly not going in the right direction.