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[D3addr0p]

1 minute ago, Shamusbeaton said:

So @D3addr0p, #1 but save up for a better graphics card?

Yeah, best possible option, I like new hardware and don't usually like going second hand

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, D3addr0p said:

SCDKEY is a website you can get it for around 20 dollars or be a pirate

You can also just use Windows without activating it. Sure, you don't get to customize it and have that logo but for some people they are fine with that.

[Shamusbeaton]

Okay so you think a GTX 2060 would be my best option?

[D3addr0p]

Just now, Shamusbeaton said:

Okay so you think a GTX 2060 would be my best option?

GTX 2060 and higher, you can always go higher depending on the budget but that is what I would do if it was my daily driver.

[Shamusbeaton]

Can you send me a link so I don’t select the incorrect one??

[D3addr0p]

Just now, D3addr0p said:

GTX 2060 and higher, you can always go higher depending on the budget but that is what I would do if it was my daily driver.

You also have a few months before 3rd party cards will be released, so some time to save up should you want to.

[D3addr0p]

Just now, Shamusbeaton said:

Can you send me a link so I don’t select the incorrect one??

Will be kind of difficult since it isn't out yet. Just bookmark this thread

[Shamusbeaton]

Do you know how much it’ll cost?? And am I better off waiting for that than buying one right now?

[Shamusbeaton]

Btw I wanna thank you guys because I would be lost... LOL

[Shamusbeaton]

And last thing, in the first one it feels like something is missing?? Most likely mistaken but idk

[D3addr0p]

2 minutes ago, Shamusbeaton said:

Do you know how much it’ll cost?? And am I better off waiting for that than buying one right now?

The prices of the previous generation will drop, by a bit so it will be a bit cheaper but if you want to save money by going for the previous gen right now it's about 400$, but that's just a 1-second search on google can find it for cheaper if you look around longer, it's really your choice if you want to wait, I am waiting for new stuff to release as well but I might also buy the old gear once new ones come out.

[Stefan Payne]

49 minutes ago, D3addr0p said:

Ryzen also comes with a cooler and I don't think Intel's CPU comes with one.

48 minutes ago, Lurick said:

All non -K series come with a cooler

Yeah, they do but the Intel Box Heatsinks are pretty much useless...
Just look at the ones they provided, even with the higher end i7-8700 ones.

https://www.caseking.de/en/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-3-6-ghz-raven-ridge-socket-am4-boxed-hpam-146.html

 

Here the Intel for comparisation:

https://www.caseking.de/en/intel-core-i7-8700-3-2-ghz-coffee-lake-sockel-1151-boxed-hpit-435.html

 

14 minutes ago, Shamusbeaton said:

Can you send me a link so I don’t select the incorrect one??

With AMD you can make less mistakes.

Just use an AM4 Board, DDR-4 Standard Memory from a named Brand (ie Kingston).

 

And a good quality PSU. What do you have available? The Minimum should be something like a 400W be quiet Pure Power 10.

 

Case is dependant on the Board and Space you have. Me personally, I switched to ITX but that is also rather expensive (no Board under 100€).

Just look at one that has the connectors you want. And get a B450 Board. 

Ryzen 2000 series is not out of the box compatible with the 300 series chipsets because it needs a BIOS Update...

 

And post the List here, we take a look at it and say if its good or not...

[Shamusbeaton]

Okay and I was thinking, i could almost wait till christmas because I am in no rush by any means and also my birthday in the 18th.

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

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A stock cooler for a locked chip is perfectly fine. It might not be super quiet or look good but it gets the job done.

[Shamusbeaton]

I’ve never felt more stupid after reading the stuff you guys said because I don’t know a thing but thanks a million lol

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, Lurick said:

A stock cooler for a locked chip is perfectly fine. It might not be super quiet or look good but it gets the job done.

If we are talking about 80-90°C and throtteling...

And also the higher end CPUs, where AMD would put an even bigger Heatsink in the Box. 

 

Why is it so hard to tell the truth about the shitty Intel Boxed Heatsinks and that the "other side" has some decent ones in the Box?!

[Shamusbeaton]

Lmao okay then what is a cheap air cooler? If it is a need

[flibberdipper]

32 minutes ago, D3addr0p said:

SCDKEY is a website you can get it for around 20 dollars or be a pirate

Technically you don't even have to be a pirate anymore, just never activate Windows. Just get the mildly annoying watermark, loose some customization features (I think?) and that's about it afaik.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

2 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

If we are talking about 80-90°C and throtteling...

And also the higher end CPUs, where AMD would put an even bigger Heatsink in the Box. 

 

Why is it so hard to tell the truth about the shitty Intel Boxed Heatsinks and that the "other side" has some decent ones in the Box?!

Yup...

 

Currently running a stock heatsink on an i5 7500 (long story) and it reaches 70+ C just gaming

[Lurick]

3 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

If we are talking about 80-90°C and throtteling...

And also the higher end CPUs, where AMD would put an even bigger Heatsink in the Box. 

 

Why is it so hard to tell the truth about the shitty Intel Boxed Heatsinks and that the "other side" has some decent ones in the Box?!

Show me where a locked desktop Intel CPU thermal throttles at 90C+ with a stock cooler.

You mean why does AMD put a bigger cooler in a cpu that's unlocked and designed to be overclocked and will therefor output more heat?

 

Intel's thermal solution might suck but it's designed to do just enough to get by, they don't care about you pushing the limits.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Technically you don't even have to be a pirate anymore, just never activate Windows. Just get the mildly annoying watermark, loose some customization features (I think?) and that's about it afaik.

I think there are ways to get rid of the watermark, and Kinguin sells keys for $30 anyhow

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Lurick said:

Show me where a locked desktop Intel CPU thermal throttles at 80C with a stock cooler.

You mean why does AMD put a bigger cooler in a cpu that's unlocked and designed to be overclocked and will therefor output more heat?

i7-8700

[Stefan Payne]

Lmao okay then what is a cheap air cooler? If it is a need

You only need that for Intel, the AMD Heatsinks are fine for a couple of Weeks/Months until you have money again. Ball Bearing Noise you have probably with both. And I've run my Bulldozer FX8350 with the Boxed Heatsink it came with - wasn't too bad/loud...

 

But how much money do you have or want to spend??

 

1 hour ago, Lurick said:

Show me where a locked desktop Intel CPU thermal throttles at 90C+ with a stock cooler.

 

 

Oh here we go again...

Why do you have to defend the Heatsinks Intel Puts in the Box?

I really don't understand that...

The AMD Heatsinks are way better. So there is no discussion here, one would think...

Yet there are still people defending the Intel Boxed Things...

 

Just look at that:

 

81°C in an open enviroment!

You call that "acceptable"?! SRYSYL?!

 

 

If it is that acceptable, according to you, why doesn't DELL use the Intel Boxed but a way larger heatsink in for example the Poweredge T20?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5hB1nrI-tk

That is around double the Meat and Metal of the Original Intel Stock Heatsink...

 

Or here another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2HuMxB0qT0

 

And around 10min they say that the Box Heatsink is utter garbage...

 

 

And the Haswell I7 I had for a time went to 80°C+ within seconds. That was one of the reasons I returned the CPU. 

 

You can and should criticize a company who does bad stuff. And the Intel Heatsink is garbage and only for the smaller CPUs up to 100€ or so acceptable, but not for a 250€ one!

 

 

1 hour ago, Lurick said:

You mean why does AMD put a bigger cooler in a cpu that's unlocked and designed to be overclocked and will therefor output more heat?

 

Its the same Reason why the Ryzen CPUs are soldered to the IHS while Intel CPUs are not and also the Heatspreader of AMD CPUs is far more massivet than on Intel, even on the New AM4 systems they still use a similar approach as they did 13 years ago with the Original K8.

Just for shit and giggles I weighted the AMD (K8) CPUs and the Intel (S478 and LGA775 AFAIR) I had at the time and the Intel weight half of the AMD CPUs. And the AMD Heatspreader is way bigger and more massive than the Intel is. 

 

 

Also Intel recently reduced the thickness of the organic package material with Skylake as well. That caused some CPUs to die because of too much preasure...

So why does Intel do that?

Because they are cheap and want to reduce production cost where ever they can, even if it is at the cost of the consumer...

 

1 hour ago, Lurick said:

Intel's thermal solution might suck but it's designed to do just enough to get by, they don't care about you pushing the limits.

...

Now that is just not true. And you must not believe in Companys without double checking it. I did and provided you with more information to prove this statement wrong.

 

I wouldn't call 82°C under full load in an open setup "just enough to get by".

Especially if you have a heatsink "On the Other Side" that's somewhat quiet under normal 

 

 

 

 

[Boomwebsearch]

If you would be able to, I would definitely recommend getting a good air cooler or (a better performing option in general) an AIO water cooler such as one in the CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite series if compatible with your CPU socket as it will help preserve the life of your processor, be quieter, and not have heat being a limiter in the CPU's performance.

On 8/13/2018 at 9:53 PM, Stefan Payne said:

And the Haswell I7 I had for a time went to 80°C+ within seconds. That was one of the reasons I returned the CPU. 

With processors that heat up fast, liquid cooling would be able to be considered as being a good option especially if you want to have some overclocking applied on it.

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, Boomwebsearch said:

With processors that heat up fast, liquid cooling would be able to be considered as being a good option especially if you want to have some overclocking applied on it.

No, because an Aircooler has a Thermal Mass and thus it should take a bit of Time for it to heat up.

The Problem with Haswell is, as we know, the shitty heat transfer between Die and IHS, for that even the best cooler is useless because the limiting factor is not the cooler.

 

I don't remember if I used the Scythe Kabuto or the Intel Boxed or the Big Shuriken...

I just remember that the temp went up almost instantaneously - within like 2 or 3 seconds. So the heat never reached the cooler...