Logan's Audio vid.

[TheProfosist]

Is it bad that I have sound cards and dacs? I also have stuff for recording like my Edirol FA-66 and Scarlett 2i4 which do a decent job for listening as well.

Also another benefit of a soundcard is the better mic input. The output part of those realtek chips has gotten better but the input? All I know is ive been told I sound a bunch better on the sound card. Also desktop mic bla bla bla... What if I like using a headset?

O and wasnt there a huge thread about this already, I think I was talking about a Faraday Cage in it for some reason.

[jscho]

a soundcard (a proper one) drastically improves the sound. 

This video is basically saying, don't fall for the "gaming audio" gimmick. Get an external solution. These guys aren't wrong. The guy (@MayflowerElectronics) to the left MAKES external DACs and amps.

A Xonar Phoebus is not the greatest internal sound card ever. In fact, why in the hell did you get a Phoebus if you supposedly own HD600s and ATH-M50s??? You crazy

[Nizkus]

lossless does sound better. it should. There is more information in FLAC than in a 320kbps mp3. Seperation is better, for instance. It is a very subtle difference, but you can still hear it.

Imagine your surprise when you get around making abx test and can't confirm your perceived differences

[AraSarkisyan]

This video is basically saying, don't fall for the "gaming audio" gimmick. Get an external solution. These guys aren't wrong. The guy (@MayflowerElectronics) to the left MAKES external DACs and amps.

A Xonar Phoebus is not the greatest internal sound card ever. In fact, why in the hell did you get a Phoebus if you supposedly own HD600s and ATH-M50s??? You crazy

go it for free from a friend. 

[ShearMe]

Also another benefit of a soundcard is the better mic input. The output part of those realtek chips has gotten better but the input? All I know is ive been told I sound a bunch better on the sound card.

 

There's so much variation that it's impossible to say. In general I'd say yes to the soundcard being better, but also that there's not enough of a difference to justify the cost. There's always exceptions, of course.

[AraSarkisyan]

Imagine your surprise when you get around making abx test and can't confirm your perceived differences

http://www.head-fi.org/t/627353/320kbps-vs-flac im not the only one...

[jscho]

go it for free from a friend. 

 

Get an external amp, put those HD-600s to good use.

[Cryptonite]

Also another benefit of a soundcard is the better mic input. The output part of those realtek chips has gotten better but the input? All I know is ive been told I sound a bunch better on the sound card. Also desktop mic bla 

The output differs from manufacturer to manufacturer.

[AraSarkisyan]

Get an external amp, put those HD-600s to good use.

I will when I have the cash (got the headphones for free too) =P

[Nizkus]

http://www.head-fi.org/t/627353/320kbps-vs-flac im not the only one...

As far as I can see there was nothing to support their claim of hearing a difference there either.

Edit. Anyway this isn't going anywhere and I really can't start to link supporting stuff here while at work, but thanks for making my day more enjoyable o/

[Cryptonite]

http://www.head-fi.org/t/627353/320kbps-vs-flac im not the only one...

yeah, uhm what did you try to accomplish with this link?

[Cryptonite]

I will when I have the cash (got the headphones for free too) =P

if you will get an external, then why are you against this video? you sense make much of it, I get saying your what.

[ShearMe]

http://www.head-fi.org/t/627353/320kbps-vs-flac im not the only one...

 

Head-Fi is not a credible source alone.

[mr moose]

wow, so much poor information now.  When doing a blind test, it is not the audio settings that need to be the same. It is the SPL from the headphones that must be matched.  You need an SPL meter to do this.  Please,  whilst I know the information in the video was not always the easiest to understand the sentiment was correct and the basic fact of the matter is that most (if not all) current sound cards have poor amp implementations compared to newer on board solutions, this issue can be heard with blind testing and is so prominent that you don't need expensive gear that is thousands of time more sensitive than human ears to measure it. Unlike DAC's which to the human ear are all identical nowadays.

[Tr3vor]

All I have to say is that when I got my shitty sound card I noticed a difference.

You know that sorta whiny noise that basically is your computer "thinking"? Either that got quieter or the audio I want to hear got louder. I never used the front panel audio plugs on my computer since it made that noise worse on integrated and sound card.

There was no noticeable difference between hissing or anything. 

 

 

Also I love it how most of the forum was all for sound cards and pushing for them, then Tek Syndicate makes one video saying otherwise and the whole forum just automatically changes its opinion.

[AraSarkisyan]

if you will get an external, then why are you against this video? you sense make much of it, I get saying your what.

a bunch of the stuff said is pure BS. like there is no difference between onboard and a soundcard. 

IT was basically a 20 minute advertisement. 

[TheProfosist]

There's so much variation that it's impossible to say. In general I'd say yes to the soundcard being better, but also that there's not enough of a difference to justify the cost. There's always exceptions, of course.

Yep agreed there are bad soundcards that really arnt worth anything equivalent to a gt 610 or R5-230.

Also a creative ZxR I consider to be cheating kinda. Its a good chunk of money and more closely resembles a external dac/amp combo than a sound card fot the stereo output bit of it.

What do all of you think about the ASUS Essence STU because to me it seems like its basically a external ST/STX minus the input stuff.

[AraSarkisyan]

Head-Fi is not a credible source alone.

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have fun.

yeah, uhm what did you try to accomplish with this link?

that im not the only one who can tell a difference. if i "listen for it" I can. Edited December 31, 2013 by airdeano
No LMGTFY Links

[Tr3vor]

One thing I do like about my shitty sound card is that it does have some sort of audio processing that makes the locational audio in games better. My onboard didn't have that.

[iceballfunela]

And I'm just here eating popcorn...

[Nallown]

I personally have no experience at all in audio and don't use an audio card, could you elaborate your current experiences with audio card and how it has made a difference? Because from what I've understood is that some audio cards may have a build in equalizer so the bass may be turned up and that's why you believe that an audio card is allot better.

[mr moose]

 

Also I love it how most of the forum was all for sound cards and pushing for them, then Tek Syndicate makes one video saying otherwise and the whole forum just automatically changes its opinion.

BS,  go through the history on this forum and you will see a lot off us have been saying this about sound cards for quite a while now.

[iceballfunela]

I personally have no experience at all in audio and don't use an audio card, could you elaborate your current experiences with audio card and how it has made a difference? Because from what I've understood is that some audio cards may have a build in equalizer so the bass may be turned up and that's why you believe that an audio card is allot better.

Yeah, me too.

[Tr3vor]

BS,  go through the history on this forum and you will see a lot off us have been saying this about sound cards for quite a while now.

 

Like 10 of you. I've seen so many people than I can count recommend a sound card (including linus)

[mr moose]

One thing I do like about my shitty sound card is that it does have some sort of audio processing that makes the locational audio in games better. My onboard didn't have that.

Locational audio is not hardware related it is purely software.  It sounds like your onboard is either old or broken, however that does not mean all onboards are broken, and all are capable of binaural surround.