Overclocking Laptop GTX 1050M

[Dhruv Ghayal]

I have Asus Fx553VD Laptop, a gtx 1050 with i7 7700hq and 8gb ram. My gpu is running well under 80 degrees while gaming, so I want to overclock it but before doing so I want an expert opinion on it. My gpu is holding 1749Mhz at 75* while playing GTA 5, I know that I can't tweak voltage gpu and even I dont want to do so,also no memory clock tweaking, I just want to increase core clock. But I am concerned about power consumption, as I have only 120Watt Asus laptop adapter. Can someone guide me. I had tried once to increase my core clock to 1354+100 and it ran well, also I had compared my model with GL553VD and GL553VE ( here's the link https://www.asus.com/in/Product-Compare/?products=PTiGzQUcHni0Hl2z,AnpBtRKze8FjApcm,mhTbsgvqzVP8ruaj&b=1 ) while comparing all 3 models I found that all having same 120Watt adapter so I think my laptop is the base model of high end Asus Rog GL553. I wounder how GTX 1050ti is working with 120Watts only.

[Jurrunio]

If you will hurt the laptop while doing so, Asus won't let you do it in the first place

 

The worst case will be battery slowly emptied as it also supplies power at the same time.

[Dhruv Ghayal]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

If you will hurt the laptop while doing so, Asus won't let you do it in the first place

 

The worst case will be battery slowly emptied as it also supplies power at the same time.

but GTX 1050ti is also using same power adapter and battery.

[themctipers]

gpuboost 3 already does this for you, even with a 1070 all i lose is 50mhz going from gpuboost to manual overclocking.

[Dhruv Ghayal]

14 minutes ago, themctipers said:

gpuboost 3 already does this for you, even with a 1070 all i lose is 50mhz going from gpuboost to manual overclocking.

When I raised gpu clock from 1354Mhz to 1454Mhz due to turbo boost 3 it managed to maintain above 1820Mhz, while1745Mhz was without OC.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Dhruv Ghayal said:

but GTX 1050ti is also using same power adapter and battery.

I don't think you get what I mean. For example, if your system draws 150W after oc, then that extra 30W will come from the battery. Therefore, the battery is continuously discharged.

[Imglidinhere]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I don't think you get what I mean. For example, if your system draws 150W after oc, then that extra 30W will come from the battery. Therefore, the battery is continuously discharged.

You have no idea exactly how laptops work. Also increasing the clock speed by 135mhz will NOT cause the GPU to draw another 30w. You're an idiot.

 

@Pendragon Halp

[Jurrunio]

31 minutes ago, Imglidinhere said:

You have no idea exactly how laptops work. Also increasing the clock speed by 135mhz will NOT cause the GPU to draw another 30w. You're an idiot.

 

@Pendragon Halp

i7-7700hq has tdp of 45w, 1050 (mobile) has around 75w at stock speeds. That's already a 120w. Of course it won't reach that unless both components are stressed hard, but laptops also power the monitor and drives with the same power brick. the 150w example is exaggerated to show OP what's the worst case scenario.

[Pendragon]

4 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

You have no idea exactly how laptops work. Also increasing the clock speed by 135mhz will NOT cause the GPU to draw another 30w. You're an idiot.

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

i7-7700hq has tdp of 45w, 1050 (mobile) has around 75w at stock speeds. That's already a 120w. Of course it won't reach that unless both components are stressed hard, but laptops also power the monitor and drives with the same power brick. the 150w example is exaggerated to show OP what's the worst case scenario.

 

 

There are actually 3 scenarios here.

 

The laptop could have firmware specifically coded for drawing battery to supplement wall power (Like a bunch of first gen MSI stuff eg. GT80s). It will draw battery power while consuming wall power until the battery is dead and the laptop will throttle to however much wall power it can draw. MSI was ripped to shreds for this bullshit.

 

The laptop has firmware to limit power draw so it doesn't fuck up the adapter (in this case 120w, this is rather unlikely though for this laptop)

 

The laptop has fuck all and you can overdraw the adapter and gg laptop design. (it's most likely this one)

 

Won't know which one unless he tests it. And mostly because I know fuck all about the intricacies about the Asus GL series because it's garbage.

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3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

i7-7700hq has tdp of 45w, 1050 (mobile) has around 75w at stock speeds. That's already a 120w. Of course it won't reach that unless both components are stressed hard, but laptops also power the monitor and drives with the same power brick. the 150w example is exaggerated to show OP what's the worst case scenario.

Adding up TDP is not how you get power draw. FYI. For power draw numbers please consult notebookcheck's power draw scenarios and not use simple math. 

 

 

A 1050 laptop will never have 120w consistent power draw because that will 100% fuck it up. It will, however, have spikes past 120w (which still might fuck it up). Whoever decided to put a 120w adapter with this laptop deserves praise for fuckin it up. Asus already got enough shit for supplying it's GL502VS line with 180w adapters (which is bullshit because I can draw near 230w). So in the new revision they gave the laptop a 230w adapter. Still a shit laptop but some improvement. So, it will can breach past 120w

 

 

13 hours ago, Dhruv Ghayal said:

while comparing all 3 models I found that all having same 120Watt adapter so I think my laptop is the base model of high end Asus Rog GL553. I wounder how GTX 1050ti is working with 120Watts only.

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Well now you know why Asus is garbage. And why 95% of their laptops are subpar and never recommended here. For reference, the Dell 7567 1050ti comes with a 130w adapter (which still is dangerously close, at stock NBC reports it can spike to 127w so ehhh, a little undervolt on the CPU will open up some OC headroom). 

 

My suggestion to you is to use Throttlestop and heavily undervolt your laptop to open up more TDP headroom here. 

[genexis_x]

On 7/4/2017 at 2:56 AM, Pendragon said:

Well now you know why Asus is garbage. And why 95% of their laptops are subpar and never recommended here. For reference, the Dell 7567 1050ti comes with a 130w adapter (which still is dangerously close, at stock NBC reports it can spike to 127w so ehhh, a little undervolt on the CPU will open up some OC headroom). 

My laptop comes with a 135W AC adapter fortunately

[Tobian Maps]

On 04.07.2017 at 1:56 AM, Pendragon said:

the Dell 7567 1050ti comes with a 130w adapter (which still is dangerously close, at stock NBC reports it can spike to 127w so ehhh, a little undervolt on the CPU will open up some OC headroom). 

Hi. I'm the owner of Dell 7567 i7 + 1050ti. And there is the problems with Power Limit throttling when it can't even touch base frequencies.
Take a look at the screenshots



And the funniest screenshot comes below this text - it Happens ONLY When Intel Dynamic Management and Thermal Framework is NOT deleted from system (causing CPU throttling when GPU under load - sounds LOL but Its's a Dell baby )

My i7 7700HQ already undervolted by -110mv. This is not thermal problem, I think it's caused by VBios settings which I can't modify.

Tried so much solutions and none of them helps. I'm not alone with this problem, know at least 10 guys with same problems.
Problem happens not only in Furmark but in games too, not so often and more chance to see it in heavy games like Tera Online, sometimes happens even in Dota 2. You losing half of your fps for ~5 seconds when it comes...

[genexis_x]

32 minutes ago, Tobian Maps said:

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Don't use furmark, inaccurate results, use Unigine Heaven/Valley

 

Try GPU undervolting. Guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6ejqja/psa_undervolting_your_gpu_can_give_you_a_free/

 

[Tobian Maps]

25 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

Don't use furmark, inaccurate results, use Unigine Heaven/Valley

 

Try GPU undervolting. Guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6ejqja/psa_undervolting_your_gpu_can_give_you_a_free/

 

Said "tried everything already" meant that too. MSI Afterburner does nothing against my problem cuz it regulate only GPU Boost mode and I've already tried it (look at last screenshot, these values aren't default ones - I've already modified my GPU Boost voltage/mhz curve and managed it to run 1700 mhz at only 850mv instead of 1620 at 1000mv when default 1500 mhz was at 800 mv) but my card can't hold even default frequencies when running something heavy, even in Unigine Heaven sometimes I see average fps and frequency drops in same time. It also can do thermal throttle at 74 degrees (sounds LOL, but I'll repeat - It's Dell (c) ), but it happens very rare only when my CPU was not undervolted and the multiplier of CPU boost was default 38-35-34-34 when current 34-33-33-33 and of course only on CPU+GPU full load. So when power limit kicks in - there is nothing can stop it to take frequencies below those I set in MSI Afterburner, it absolutely ignores any settings I've set. It happens from time to time, especially more often when I'm battling hard in massive PvP in the games and etc, rest of the time it takes the values I've set in MSI Afterburner curve editor with a stable fps. My MSI curve is simple - 800:1500; 813:1595; 831:1645; 850:1700

It's not a temperature issue, even VRM zone is not overheated as some guys trying to point from time to time about Dell XPS and Inspiron notebooks.

[genexis_x]

18 minutes ago, Tobian Maps said:

I've already modified my GPU Boost voltage/mhz curve and managed it to run 1700 mhz at only 850mv instead of 1620 at 1000mv when default 1500 mhz was at 800 mv) but my card can't hold even default frequencies when running something heavy, even in Unigine Heaven sometimes I see average fps and frequency drops in same time

This is because the clock speed isn't stable. Try lower clock or slightly higher voltage.

18 minutes ago, Tobian Maps said:

thermal throttle at 74 degrees

How serious is the throttling? It can be due to BIOS setting or, automatic clock speed reduction (Pascal GPU will start to slightly throttle itself when it surpass a specific temperature)

 

Edit: Try prefer maximum performance via Nvidia Control Panel, also try max performance in Windows power options

 

I suggest you to RMA the laptop, maybe there are some issues with the laptop and the AC adapter too

[Tobian Maps]

13 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

This is because the clock speed isn't stable. Try lower clock or slightly higher voltage.

How serious is the throttling? It can be due to BIOS setting or, automatic clock speed reduction (Pascal GPU will start to slightly throttle itself when it surpass a specific temperature)

 

I suggest you to RMA the laptop, maybe there are some issues with the laptop and the AC adapter too

I'm not alone with this problem, In Russia where I'm live we have social network vkontakte where exists 7567 group and I know enough peoples with same problem to say - this is not a single notebook broken, it's something with GPU Bios but we can't just take and edit it because Pascal vBIos is encrypted... 74 degree temp limit is an idiotic limitation because they should run normally at 70-80 and throttle only at 90 as Nvidia said, you can see this limit at 2nd screenshot from my previous post (nvidia inspector part)

I've googling internet and posting to guys with same problem especially about Dell 7567 with 1050/1050ti because this can happen with both (confirmed already). This does not happen with 7577 notebook, I believe this is the Dell's "work on the errors". Why they still trying to sell failed 7567...

Before we deinstall Intel Dynamic Management and Thermal Framework we had a problem when GPU and CPU simultaneously under load - GPU made CPU to throttle hard to 900 mhz as in the last screenshot (about 5 seconds throttle, then it slowly raises back frequency of CPU). And this bloatware can't be just deleted, it's like a Phoenix reinstalls by windows updater aftet 1 minute after deletion and only Registry fix to BAN installation of this device driver can help (or by gpedit.exe which comes only with Win 10 PRO).

[genexis_x]

5 minutes ago, Tobian Maps said:

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This is very interesting. Make a new thread on this.

[Tobian Maps]

9 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

This is very interesting. Make a new thread on this.

Maybe later, right now I'm trying to find how to get, edit and flash vBios for Pascal videocard, right now found nothing helpful, only about 1070/1080 cards... it became a challenge for me.

Posted here just to beware about recommending to someone such a problemmatic notebook and to refute a phrase "a little undervolt on the CPU will open up some OC headroom). "

Most of the users just doesn't care about this problem until they run PUBG, Battlefield, Skyrim or Tera Online or they think "this is what should be at 1050ti". As I said, I didn't heard any rumors about this problem at 7577 version.

[Froody129]

I wouldn’t OC at 75C. 

3 hours ago, Tobian Maps said:

Maybe later, right now I'm trying to find how to get, edit and flash vBios for Pascal videocard, right now found nothing helpful, only about 1070/1080 cards... it became a challenge for me.

Posted here just to beware about recommending to someone such a problemmatic notebook and to refute a phrase "a little undervolt on the CPU will open up some OC headroom). "

Most of the users just doesn't care about this problem until they run PUBG, Battlefield, Skyrim or Tera Online or they think "this is what should be at 1050ti". As I said, I didn't heard any rumors about this problem at 7577 version.

I have a 7000 Gaming with i7 and 1050ti and have experience very low temps and no throttling. I very heavily undervolted CPU and GPU later though just to lower power consumption. I got golden chips for both

[Tobian Maps]

5 hours ago, Froody129 said:

I wouldn’t OC at 75C. 

I have a 7000 Gaming with i7 and 1050ti and have experience very low temps and no throttling. I very heavily undervolted CPU and GPU later though just to lower power consumption. I got golden chips for both

7567 or 7577 model? I have first one, didn't heard about this problem at 7577.

[Froody129]

1 hour ago, Tobian Maps said:

7567 or 7577 model? I have first one, didn't heard about this problem at 7577.

I'm fairlu sure it's the 1050ti 7567. AFAIK the 7577 is the 1060 version.

[Tobian Maps]

1 hour ago, Froody129 said:

I'm fairlu sure it's the 1050ti 7567. AFAIK the 7577 is the 1060 version.

nope, It have a version with 1050ti too. At least in my country. And probably they selling different by internal components (not only CPU/GPU but a screen, motherboard, bios and etc) notebooks in each country.

[Froody129]

1 hour ago, Tobian Maps said:

nope, It have a version with 1050ti too. At least in my country. And probably they selling different by internal components (not only CPU/GPU but a screen, motherboard, bios and etc) notebooks in each country.

I have no idea. The shop I bought it from just said 7000 Gaming series 

[Tobian Maps]

3 hours ago, Froody129 said:

I have no idea. The shop I bought it from just said 7000 Gaming series 

Yes, the 7567 and 7577 both from 7000 series. They are different by design a bit and have slightly different cooling system and different ports, when only 7577 can have a modification with 1060 videocard. It's not hard to find a reviews or photos at the internet and determine which one you have.

[genexis_x]

1 hour ago, Froody129 said:

I have no idea. The shop I bought it from just said 7000 Gaming series 

Take a pic on the exhaust grill. They differ from each other.

[Froody129]

7 hours ago, ZM Fong said:

Take a pic on the exhaust grill. They differ from each other.

It’s the newer blocky one without the straight lines