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[Joseph Stacklin]

Hello everyone, your daily silicon lottery loser here.

 

I have a new mobo and Asrock has the pre-set dials for dialing in the voltage and OC's. I have the 4.2GHz preset selected and I had some issues with Heaven crashing and going black for a long while, then coming back so I upped the voltage to 1.68 and now it's stable. The only problem I have is that I don't know if I can push it harder. I monitored the results in HWMonitor Pro from CPUID while running the stress test in Aida64 Extreme Trial. I concluded that on the hottest core I was seeing around 61-63°C, however the Package temp was around 70-73°C. Which should I pay attention to? Do you think I can make the jump to 4.4GHz?

 

I have my CPU cooled with the DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240EX liquid cooler.

[SeanAngelo]

4 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

Hello everyone, your daily silicon lottery loser here.

 

I have a new mobo and Asrock has the pre-set dials for dialing in the voltage and OC's. I have the 4.2GHz preset selected and I had some issues with Heaven crashing and going black for a long while, then coming back so I upped the voltage to 1.68 and now it's stable. The only problem I have is that I don't know if I can push it harder. I monitored the results in HWMonitor Pro from CPUID while running the stress test in Aida64 Extreme Trial. I concluded that on the hottest core I was seeing around 61-63°C, however the Package temp was around 70-73°C. Which should I pay attention to? Do you think I can make the jump to 4.4GHz?

 

I have my CPU cooled with the DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240EX liquid cooler.

1.68V?! thats too high afaik....  

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

so I upped the voltage to 1.68 and now it's stable.

 

SAY WHAT??

 

Seriously though, those temps and that voltage don't match up unless those were temps with little to no load on the CPU.  Especially considering that your using an AIO.

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, SeanAngelo said:

1.68V?! thats too high afaik....  

What would you recommend?

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

What would you recommend?

 

If you are just starting out, use 1.3 as the standard to determine what kind of chip you're working with.

 

4.4 @ 1.3 = below average

4.5 @ 1.3 = average

4.6 @ 1.3 = above average and so on.

 

Once you've determined that, start increasing as you'd like based on your cooling systems capabilities.

[Joseph Stacklin]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

SAY WHAT??

 

Seriously though, those temps and that voltage don't match up unless those were temps with little to no load on the CPU.  Especially considering that your using an AIO.

What do you mean? Gimme a sec and I'll post pictures.

[SeanAngelo]

4 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

What would you recommend?

no more than 1.35v

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, SeanAngelo said:

no more than 1.35v

but it crashes at anything under 1.5, I think.

[done12many2]

4 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

but it crashes at anything under 1.5, I think.

 

Something's wrong then.  If that chip will not boot at stock speeds with anything less then 1.5v, you need to request a RMA from Intel immediately.

[pyrojoe34]

1.6V?? You're crazy, I hope for your sake you didn't fry the CPU. The MAX you should go with conventional cooling is 1.35V which should get you to at the very least 4.4 Ghz

[Joseph Stacklin]

5 minutes ago, pyrojoe34 said:

1.6V?? You're crazy, I hope for your sake you didn't fry the CPU. The MAX you should go with conventional cooling is 1.35V which should get you to at the very least 4.4 Ghz

 

8 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Something's wrong then.  If that chip will not boot at stock speeds with anything less then 1.5v, you need to request a RMA from Intel immediately.

 

10 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

no more than 1.35v

 

As an update, it actually is 1.86v. See the pictures below. Maybe you can help me get it right because i'm not good at just digging in and the interface is god awful. I'm grateful for any help offered.

 

[done12many2]

8 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Something's wrong then.  If that chip will not boot at stock speeds with anything less then 1.5v, you need to request a RMA from Intel immediately.

 

Oh, by the way.  If you do call Intel to request a RMA, do not mention the voltage required to get the chip working or they will know that you overvolted the chip which is not covered until warranty.  Just tell them that it doesn't boot with stock settings.

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Oh, by the way.  If you do call Intel to request a RMA, do not mention the voltage required to get the chip working or they will know that you overvolted the chip which is not covered until warranty.  Just tell them that it doesn't boot with stock settings.

It does boot with stock, I just used the "one click OC" from AsRock and it got up to 1.7v, it wasn't stable so I bumped it up.

[done12many2]

3 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

As an update, it actually is 1.86v. See the pictures below. Maybe you can help me get it right because i'm not good at just digging in and the interface is god awful. I'm grateful for any help offered.

 

Haha.  Bud, you are looking at the wrong thing.  That is CPU input voltage which is entirely different than CPU VCore!

 

CPU input voltage is what you are running through the FIVR, not the CPU cores directly.

[iRileyx]

If its running at 1.8 volts, turn it off, now.

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Haha.  Bud, you are looking at the wrong thing.  That is CPU input voltage which is entirely different than CPU VCore!

Okay.. What is VCore? I was talking about the voltage?

[steffeeh]

This is why you shouldn't attempt overclocking and especially not overvolting without doing a ton of reading first, as well as doing the necessary preparations (proper cooling, Intel Tuning Plan, etc)

[Joseph Stacklin]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Haha.  Bud, you are looking at the wrong thing.  That is CPU input voltage which is entirely different than CPU VCore!

 

CPU input voltage is what you are running through the FIVR, not the CPU cores directly.

Okay.. So can I go higher, or should I just bury my head in the sand and call it quits? Also, what is FIVR?

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, steffeeh said:

This is why you shouldn't attempt overclocking and especially not overvolting without doing a ton of reading first, as well as doing the necessary preparations (proper cooling, Intel Tuning Plan, etc)

But nothing is on fire and they have it built-into the mobo so why shouldn't I? 

[done12many2]

3 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

Okay.. So can I go higher, or should I just bury my head in the sand and call it quits? Also, what is FIVR?

 

 

Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator.  On HWE and BWE chips, the FIVR is on the chip itself unlike Skylake and other chips where the regulation occurs on the board.  Having the FIVR on the chip allows for better voltage regulation, but increases CPU temps just a bit.  It's a give and take, but more important to have it the way it is with these higher core count chips.

[Ctown0812]

Just now, wolfboytech said:

2 minutes ago, steffeeh said:

This is why you shouldn't attempt overclocking and especially not overvolting without doing a ton of reading first, as well as doing the necessary preparations (proper cooling, Intel Tuning Plan, etc)

But nothing is on fire and they have it built-into the mobo so why shouldn't I?

I think the point he was trying to make is that you shouldn't mess around with settings if your not sure what they actually do.  You need to read your manual, or go online to find a guide to make sure your tweaking the ritght settings.

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator.  On HWE and BWE chips, the FIVR is on the chip itself unlike Skylake and other chips where the regulation occurs on the board.  Having the FIVR on the chip allows for better voltage regulation, but increases CPU temps just a bit.  It's a give and take, but more important to have it the way it is with these higher core count chips.

Do I even have that? I am so sorry, and you must think me a complete idiot.. But I really.. Really.. am lost. I just clicked a few buttons and wondered if I could go further or should stay? up until 4.6 it's blue (which means that it's OK to do with the detected hardware, according to ASrock). So I apparently can keep pushing it until 4.4?

[done12many2]

4 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

But nothing is on fire and they have it built-into the mobo so why shouldn't I? 

 

Don't sweat it bud.  I'll walk you through it.

 

We may be able to change the opening sentence in your original post after it's all said and done.  

[done12many2]

Just now, wolfboytech said:

Do I even have that? I am so sorry, and you must think me a complete idiot.. But I really.. Really.. am lost. I just clicked a few buttons and wondered if I could go further or should stay? up until 4.6 it's blue (which means that it's OK to do with the detected hardware, according to ASrock). So I apparently can keep pushing it until 4.4?

 

You should probably slow down so we can cover a few things before you go any further.

[steffeeh]

Precisely. Especially when messing with the settings you don't know about can fry the internal electronics of the chip giving you no other option than to buy a new one for hundreds of dollars (unless you're insurance covers some of it), because warranty don't cover these things unless you buy an extension.

 

EDIT: I would advice reseting the settings of the overclock to the standard ones and wait a few days until attempting it. Meanwhile you can do your homework on it and next time you'll know precisely what to do