is ubiquiti any good?

[legopc]

3 hours ago, System Error Message said:

A lot of features that the edgeOS offers cannot be accelerated. Whats the point of getting an edgerouter when you arent going to use the features it offers? Its like saying you bought a ferrari and drive it like a prius.

 

Alright, packets that get matched to qos things are not routed in hardware. But again " hardware NAT shouldnt be a feature to be relied upon. " what the hell, explain that because that is straight up bullshit. 

[System Error Message]

1 hour ago, Windspeed36 said:

What specifically are you saying can't be accelerated??

QoS mainly because the edgeOS has good QoS, better than consumer router as the reduction of bufferbloat from it is very good. Without QoS even a gigabit link if filled will get bufferbloat and this is from LAN testing. PPPOE is also a common use that cant really be accelerated.

 

Other things the edgerouter is good at such as being able to install and use some linux programs as well. Its not as great as a standard x86 linux OS but it does allow you to use things that openWRT doesnt.

 

The things that makes the edgerouter great cannot use hardware acceleration.

 

Regarding the ER-X head over to snbforums and read about the discussions regarding it. I've seen positive things about it so far compared to the ERL.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

QoS mainly because the edgeOS has good QoS, better than consumer router as the reduction of bufferbloat from it is very good. Without QoS even a gigabit link if filled will get bufferbloat and this is from LAN testing. PPPOE is also a common use that cant really be accelerated.

 

Other things the edgerouter is good at such as being able to install and use some linux programs as well. Its not as great as a standard x86 linux OS but it does allow you to use things that openWRT doesnt.

 

The things that makes the edgerouter great cannot use hardware acceleration.

 

Regarding the ER-X head over to snbforums and read about the discussions regarding it. I've seen positive things about it so far compared to the ERL.

You are aware that all hardware offloading has to be enabled manually via CLI?

 

Also just because a few people say it's good doesn't make it a good product - eg UniFi. As @leadeater said, I'm a system integrator for the EdgeMax, AirFibre and UniFi product lines as well as work for one of the biggest ubiquiti resellers here in Australia - we do not recommend nor encourage the use of the ERX platform. 

[System Error Message]

1 hour ago, Windspeed36 said:

You are aware that all hardware offloading has to be enabled manually via CLI?

 

Also just because a few people say it's good doesn't make it a good product - eg UniFi. As @leadeater said, I'm a system integrator for the EdgeMax, AirFibre and UniFi product lines as well as work for one of the biggest ubiquiti resellers here in Australia - we do not recommend nor encourage the use of the ERX platform. 

so when a customer asks for a router what do you recommend to them? As i said before the edgerouter is ubiquiti's weakest product and the weakest router in the business/enterprise segment.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, System Error Message said:

so when a customer asks for a router what do you recommend to them? As i said before the edgerouter is ubiquiti's weakest product and the weakest router in the business/enterprise segment.

Anything other than an ER-X, even something not Ubiquiti. Never sell anything to a customer when you don't think it will work in their environment, even if they insist on buying it. They can go buy it from someone else, get annoyed it doesn't work and at the supplier for not being able to fix the un-fixable and your reputation stays clean possibly even enhanced if they come back to you and you then give them something that does work.

 

A good example of this ethos is Commvault. They have two sales branches: Sales & Account Specialists and Pre-Sales Engineering & Product Support. Both arms keep each other in check and is part of their mandate. If Sales offers a solution to a customer which then gets passed on to Pre-Sales Engineering any they don't think it will work or is a good idea they will stop the sale, if they don't sign off on it it can't be sold even if the customer says yes.

[DominicNikon]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Anything other than an ER-X, even something not Ubiquiti. Never sell anything to a customer when you don't think it will work in their environment, even if they insist on buying it. They can go buy it from someone else, get annoyed it doesn't work and at the supplier for not being able to fix the un-fixable and your reputation stays clean possibly even enhanced if they come back to you and you then give them something that does work.

 

A good example of this ethos is Commvault. They have two sales branches: Sales & Account Specialists and Pre-Sales Engineering & Product Support. Both arms keep each other in check and is part of their mandate. If Sales offers a solution to a customer which then gets passed on to Pre-Sales Engineering any they don't think it will work or is a good idea they will stop the sale, if they don't sign off on it it can't be sold even if the customer says yes.

so what should i do if i need 2 aps and i have around 200 mbps 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, System Error Message said:

so when a customer asks for a router what do you recommend to them? As i said before the edgerouter is ubiquiti's weakest product and the weakest router in the business/enterprise segment.

It depends on the solution that the customer wants - we often quote ER-8 Pro's provided either there is an engineer onsite to configure or if we're doing the config. Alternatively the Cisco 1941 is also a common quote we'll do due to its industry standard reputation. 

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

Anything other than an ER-X, even something not Ubiquiti. Never sell anything to a customer when you don't think it will work in their environment, even if they insist on buying it. They can go buy it from someone else, get annoyed it doesn't work and at the supplier for not being able to fix the un-fixable and your reputation stays clean possibly even enhanced if they come back to you and you then give them something that does work.

 

A good example of this ethos is Commvault. They have two sales branches: Sales & Account Specialists and Pre-Sales Engineering & Product Support. Both arms keep each other in check and is part of their mandate. If Sales offers a solution to a customer which then gets passed on to Pre-Sales Engineering any they don't think it will work or is a good idea they will stop the sale, if they don't sign off on it it can't be sold even if the customer says yes.

Exactly this - I need to sign off on it before the sales guys can sell it. 

[legopc]

12 hours ago, System Error Message said:

so when a customer asks for a router what do you recommend to them? As i said before the edgerouter is ubiquiti's weakest product and the weakest router in the business/enterprise segment.

 

 

Again, what the hell do you mean with  " hardware NAT shouldnt be a feature to be relied upon. "? there is no shame in saying that you were talking out of your ass. 

[DominicNikon]

19 hours ago, Windspeed36 said:

It depends on the solution that the customer wants - we often quote ER-8 Pro's provided either there is an engineer onsite to configure or if we're doing the config. Alternatively the Cisco 1941 is also a common quote we'll do due to its industry standard reputation. 

Exactly this - I need to sign off on it before the sales guys can sell it. 

do you have a diagram on the radius of the ubiquiti aps? for range

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

do you have a diagram on the radius of the ubiquiti aps? for range

There aren't any diagrams for the coverage of a wireless access point, only diagrams for the radio broadcast pattern. This is because wireless coverage differs from site to site. To give you some idea, I've got a long 3 bedroom house, 2 bedrooms plus hallway wide and I need 2 AC Pro's to provide good coverage, 1 at each end of the house. 

[DominicNikon]

24 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

There aren't any diagrams for the coverage of a wireless access point, only diagrams for the radio broadcast pattern. This is because wireless coverage differs from site to site. To give you some idea, I've got a long 3 bedroom house, 2 bedrooms plus hallway wide and I need 2 AC Pro's to provide good coverage, 1 at each end of the house. 

is this trustable? 

[Guest]

Just now, DominicNikon said:

is this trustable? 

Theoretically yes, maximum wireless range in an open environment with no RF interference. In a real world situation, not a chance. 

[DominicNikon]

On 10/8/2016 at 0:17 AM, leadeater said:

 

[DominicNikon]

4 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

Theoretically yes, maximum wireless range in an open environment with no RF interference. In a real world situation, not a chance. 

So how much will walls do? And what is rf interference 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

So how much will walls do? And what is rf interference 

RF interference comes from 2 sources, objects that interupt a signal such as walls, glass, plants and then other sources that provide rf interference via broadcasting their own signal. These include microwave ovens, other wireless AP's or broadcast devices etc. the RF interference levels differ from environment to environment.  

[DominicNikon]

40 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

Glitched 

[DominicNikon]

23 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

RF interference comes from 2 sources, objects that interupt a signal such as walls, glass, plants and then other sources that provide rf interference via broadcasting their own signal. These include microwave ovens, other wireless AP's or broadcast devices etc. the RF interference levels differ from environment to environment.  

So if I have a 2300 square foot house and have a long rage ap on the 1st floor and a lite on the 2nd floor with walls would this be enough and better then my nighthawk x6?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

So if I have a 2300 square foot house and have a long rage ap on the 1st floor and a lite on the 2nd floor with walls would this be enough and better then my nighthawk x6?

Put two pros in and call it a day

[DominicNikon]

28 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

Put two pros in and call it a day

i went up to microcenter and the sales person said hes a huge fan of ubiquiti and for our case he would suggest lites and not pros 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

i went up to microcenter and the sales person said hes a huge fan of ubiquiti and for our case he would suggest lites and not pros 

Then he doesn't know what he's doing. The lites are a pretty crap AP with high failure rate. 

[DominicNikon]

3 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

Then he doesn't know what he's doing. The lites are a pretty crap AP with high failure rate. 

on Websites why do they get better reviews then the pros?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

on amazon why do they get better reviews then the pros?

Placebo effect, price etc. The pros are a higher performing and more reliable access point. I would not ever recommend purchasing the lite's. 

[DominicNikon]

1 minute ago, Windspeed36 said:

Placebo effect, price etc. The pros are a higher performing and more reliable access point. I would not ever recommend purchasing the lite's. 

this is getting harder then i thought. the sales man said the pros have high bandwidth less range lrs are low bandwidth high range and lites are good bandwidth and good range then you say don't get lites what do i do 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

this is getting harder then i thought. the sales man said the pros have high bandwidth less range lrs are low bandwidth high range and lites are good bandwidth and good range then you say don't get lites what do i do 

As I said, Pro's are your best bet. Lites use cheaper less powerful radios. The LR's simply use high gain antennas while the Pro's use decent internal hardware by comparison. 

[DominicNikon]

2 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

As I said, Pro's are your best bet. Lites use cheaper less powerful radios. The LR's simply use high gain antennas while the Pro's use decent internal hardware by comparison. 

ok who do i listen too? you says pros are the best he says lites are the best. 

are pros and LRs the same range?