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You guys think I could achieve the same OC's at reasonable temperatures on a big air cooler (probably something from BE QUIET since they are black) and a EVGA GTX 1070 FTW card as I could with a custom loop?

 

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At the top end, no.  It just won't happen.  The liquid cooling has so much more potential for big rads, quick heat removal, etc. but, within the modest OC range you should be fine with either.

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9 minutes ago, TubsAlwaysWins said:

You guys think I could achieve the same OC's at reasonable temperatures on a big air cooler (probably something from BE QUIET since they are black) and a EVGA GTX 1070 FTW card as I could with a custom loop?

Most likely not.

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8 minutes ago, TubsAlwaysWins said:

You guys think I could achieve the same OC's at reasonable temperatures on a big air cooler (probably something from BE QUIET since they are black) and a EVGA GTX 1070 FTW card as I could with a custom loop?

You can definitely get very good overclocks on big aircoolers like the NH-D15 or Darkrock Pro which are comparable to dual AIO units or such. The main difference would be with custom is the ability to do that while being dead silent by having extra rads to give more surface area for heat dissipation. 

 

To give you an idea, I over did my rad space with my custom loop with a 360mm and a 240mm rad for a single gtx 970 and a 4790K but with everything fairly heavily overclocked at fuil load it's basically no different than at idle noise wise. 

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13 minutes ago, W-L said:

You can definitely get very good overclocks on big aircoolers like the NH-D15 or Darkrock Pro which are comparable to dual AIO units or such. The main difference would be with custom is the ability to do that while being dead silent by having extra rads to give more surface area for heat dissipation. 

 

To give you an idea, I over did my rad space with my custom loop with a 360mm and a 240mm rad for a single gtx 970 and a 4790K but with everything fairly heavily overclocked at fuil load it's basically no different than at idle noise wise. 

Well im between a big air cooler and a custom loop because of price. If i did watercool I would be using 720mm or RAD space so I could run super low fan RPM's. But that is like a $500 difference

 

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1 minute ago, TubsAlwaysWins said:

Well im between a big air cooler and a custom loop because of price. If i could I would be using 720mm or RAD space so I could run super low fan RPM's. But that is like a $550 difference

Yes it does come at a fairly steep initial cost but for fairly high to moderate overclocks large aircoolers are still quite capable. If you do want to say create a custom loop though something like the kits from EKWB are a good base to built off of, something like this with a GPU block and some extra fittings are quite good:

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-p360

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A water cooling loop, if done right, can squeeze out a bit more, but I wouldn't expect more than a few hundred MHz, so it depends on if that's enough to warrant the cost and required upkeep

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On 5/28/2016 at 0:04 AM, W-L said:

Yes it does come at a fairly steep initial cost but for fairly high to moderate overclocks large aircoolers are still quite capable. If you do want to say create a custom loop though something like the kits from EKWB are a good base to built off of, something like this with a GPU block and some extra fittings are quite good:

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-p360

Yeah that was my plan. IF I send you a loop idea could you tell me if it would work?

 

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You might be hitting a stable limit on air and the card is only hitting 67C. I am talking 980tis as the 1000 series is way hotter. Anyways that isn't even that hot except metals and physics are weird. This is why LN2 cooling can acheive such high speeds not because it is really cold but it changes the property of metals to superconductors which then makes it run much faster and efficiently. While except the LN2 part. Same goes with water but on a less scale.

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Don't forget if you want a custom loop the EVGA FTW cards use a custom PCB and it might take a while for a custom block to come out, or they might not come out at all.

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

You might be hitting a stable limit on air and the card is only hitting 67C. I am talking 980tis as the 1000 series is way hotter. Anyways that isn't even that hot except metals and physics are weird. This is why LN2 cooling can acheive such high speeds not because it is really cold but it changes the property of metals to superconductors which then makes it run much faster and efficiently. While except the LN2 part. Same goes with water but on a less scale.

So if I had a bong cooling farm I could run sub-zero?

 

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1 minute ago, wolfsbane3083 said:

Don't forget if you want a custom loop the EVGA FTW cards use a custom PCB and it might take a while for a custom block to come out, or they might not come out at all.

Probably won't get a card until August+ so I might even change the card

 

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2 minutes ago, TubsAlwaysWins said:

So if I had a bong cooling farm I could run sub-zero?

No. You would hit a point were it does nothing adding more. Which would probably after 1 or 2. If you want sub you need LN2 or phase change

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

No. You would hit a point were it does nothing adding more. Which would probably after 1 or 2. If you want sub you need LN2 or phase change

OK. So if i were to get ahold of an AC unit could I then Phase Change?

 

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3 minutes ago, TubsAlwaysWins said:

OK. So if i were to get ahold of an AC unit could I then Phase Change?

In theory maybe but my god it is way easier, quieter, and less hacking when you could just buy this and call it good 

http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/l/51-ld-pc-v10-phase-change.html

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7 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

You might be hitting a stable limit on air and the card is only hitting 67C. I am talking 980tis as the 1000 series is way hotter.

From what I've seen most of the issues aren't from their heat generation, it's bad fan speed management, it would be like running a nh-d15 with fans locked at minimum speed and complaining you can't reach extreme OCs on it. People who turned the fans up got stable OCs and no throttling from what I've seen, and even said the fans on the 1080 were dang near silent even at high speeds

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9 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

In theory maybe but my god it is way easier, quieter, and less hacking when you could just buy this and call it good 

http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/l/51-ld-pc-v10-phase-change.html

Yeah, but im bored and I don't have that kind of money

 

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1 hour ago, TubsAlwaysWins said:

Yeah that was my plan. IF I send you a loop idea could you tell me if it would work?

Sure thing, if you want to customize the parts of a loop post it up :) 

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2 hours ago, Cyracus said:

From what I've seen most of the issues aren't from their heat generation, it's bad fan speed management, it would be like running a nh-d15 with fans locked at minimum speed and complaining you can't reach extreme OCs on it. People who turned the fans up got stable OCs and no throttling from what I've seen, and even said the fans on the 1080 were dang near silent even at high speeds

Weird they should change the fan curve then

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