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Upgrade i5 6600 non k to i5 8600k?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I currently have i5 6600 non k on a z170 board, gtx 1060 6gb oc version ( already overclocked to highest settings), 2 x 4gb 2400 vengance ram sticks, 240hz 1080p monitor, im only squeezing out 60 fps on highest settings and isnt smooth. im not happy with the performance. i have a 700 dollar budget for upgrades. I would like to upgrade to i5 8600k and oc to 4.8+. keep the GPU, upgrade ram to 16 gb (2 x8gb) 3200, 250 NVME ssd, new msi z370 gaming plus mobo, be quite dark rock 3 cooling fan because i will be overclocking. ive priced these upgrades at 600 bucks. worth it ? what are some things i should consider. is this reasonable?

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I'd look at the Ryzen 5 3600 setup.  Where are you buying from?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

I'd look at the Ryzen 5 3600 setup.  Where are you buying from?

I'm buying from new egg, ebay, amazon. Okay wow 32mb cache. so its a lot newer and cheaper but does it hold up in the oc world? what the max on the chip

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what games?


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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2 minutes ago, Blueknight said:

Mostly playing Apex, Overwatch, Squad, Pubg, Warzone.

that 1060 has no hope here either, so you're practically replacing the entire machine

 

and if anything, upgrading the GPU first is preferred. At least get an RTX 2060, preferably RX 5700


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

that GPU has no hope here either, so you're practically replacing the entire machine

 

and if anything, upgrading the GPU first is preferred. At least get an RTX 2060, preferably RX 5700

Thats true, so will upgrading only to RTX 2060 be better then all of the other upgrades?

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22 minutes ago, Blueknight said:

I'm buying from new egg, ebay, amazon. Okay wow 32mb cache. so its a lot newer and cheaper but does it hold up in the oc world? what the max on the chip

i use a 3600. Zen2 is not all about clockspeed, it makes it's performance in IPC - instructions per cycle

 

it goes like this, roughly

 

1 IPC at 2Hz is 2 instructions per second
2 IPC at 1Hz is 2 instructions per second

 

a lot of marketing is focused around clock speed hype but the fact is that the 3600 just with it's own auto OC enabled is faster than my 8700k st stock.

as an actual clock speed, however, you can usually see 4.2-4.4 out of it on boost


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All the Ryzen IPC aside, generally speaking, Intel systems will clock higher. Ultimately, performance is a combination of both.

 

R20 Perspective: an overclocked 3600 at 4.3ghz will score around ~500 single/3800 multi whereas an 8700k at 5ghz will score ~520 single/4000 multi. This isn't really significant, although the Intel ringbus has lower core-core latency which generally translates to faster gaming regardless of CPU benchmark scores.

 

The bigger issue I believe is the lack of features. The lack of SMT on the 8600k/9600k make them a bad value. 


The 3600 makes much more sense than any of those chips. It has around a 25-30% boost in performance (when applicable) over the 6/6 chips as it has SMT, and it isn't too much slower than the 8700k yet is only $175 and comes with a cooler vs. $375 without one. The 8700k in 2017 made sense, it doesn't in 2020. Regarding the 8600k/9600k, they are obsolete in 2020.


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4 hours ago, Blueknight said:

what are some things i should consider.

Are you going to overclock it? If so, what are your expectations?


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This really depends what you find acceptable for performance. 

 

You can't run 1080p 240fps. If you feel the need to get as close as possible to that, you will throw thousands at it. If you just want a smooth 1080p 60 fps you can do that for $150 or less. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Blueknight said:

Thats true, so will upgrading only to RTX 2060 be better then all of the other upgrades?

there will be a point where CPU and memory bottleneck kicks in, but since you run highest settings a GPU upgrade is more prominent


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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