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Whats my bottleneck?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hey,

 

I am not sure this is the right spot to ask, but I couldnt find a subforum that really fits better.

 

I have been having the same PC rig for about 3 years now. While I can play most games without any big issues on Medium to High I always have this itch to put everything to Ultra. Sadly, this is just barely possible with newest AAA titles for me. I would like to know what you guys think is the bottleneck in my system and what part I should try to upgrade to be able to play most games at Ultra again.

 

Some experiences I have had over the past months with some AAA titles:

AC Odyssey: Kept having moments where my character just didnt move anymore while things around me where loading. Not a full screen freeze, I could still move camera. Can only play on Med-High at ~50FPS

A Plague Tale: Sitting at ~40 FPS with everything maxed out. Had to put things down to get 60 FPS.

Jedi Fallen Order: At mediium to high it went quite smooth at ~50-60 FPS

Outer Worlds: Only at Medium I got it at around 60-70FPS

 

I have a 144Hz Monitor, so I preferably would always like to have most FPS possible.

 

My setup:

Intel Core i5-6600K managed to overclock it to 4,3GHz

16GB RAM DDR4 1066Mhz Max Bandwith according to CPU-Z

Mainboard from Asus Z170 PRO GAMING

Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5

 

 

I have 3 screens connected to my PC, 2 with 2k res, 1 with 1080p. I only use one of them for gaming (144GHz and with 2k res mostly).

 

Let me know if you are missing any info or if there is any sort of test you want me to run.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

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1st - the CPU. That's the most limiting factor in your PC. Only 4 cores, no HyperThreading, it's quite a bottleneck in modern titles.

2nd - the GPU, a 1070 isn't a great option for 1440p gaming, especially 144Hz.

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Pretty much your entire system is a bottleneck. 

 

6600k is very dated 4c/4t CPU that gets destroyed in most modern AAA games.

 

GPU - 1070 is not powerful enough for 1440p 144Hz.

 

Z170 platform doesn't allow for any meaningful upgrade path. 


Main system: i7 8700k 5Ghz / Asus Prime Z370-A / Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB 3000Mhz / Gigabyte RTX2080 Aorus Extreme / EVGA 750W GQ / Fractal Design Meshify C

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20 minutes ago, Happy1992 said:

My setup:

Intel Core i5-6600K managed to overclock it to 4,3GHz

16GB RAM DDR4 1066Mhz Max Bandwith according to CPU-Z

Mainboard from Asus Z170 PRO GAMING

Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5

Outdated processor at a rather low frequency considering it's unlocked.

 

Extremely slow memory, 2133mhz is the bottom for DDR4

 

GTX 1070 is not capable of ultra settings gaming at 2560x1440p.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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Posted · Original PosterOP

Judging by this I should consider rebuilding my entire rig pretty much, do I see that correctly? Any  recommendations?

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7 minutes ago, Happy1992 said:

Judging by this I should consider rebuilding my entire rig pretty much, do I see that correctly? Any  recommendations?

Suppose you can wait until April for the new releases?


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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I would recommend going AMD to save money. If you want something now go for the Ryzen 5 3600 and if you're ok with ~75 fps in 1440p go for at least an RX 580 (I've never looked at other cards that's the one I use and I get that kinda performance). If you're willing wait, go for a 4th gen Ryzen something. 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
58 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Suppose you can wait until April for the new releases?

I could, in theory. Whats coming out then? New graphic cards? Doesnt that usually take a while again until there are some decently cooled ones?

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34 minutes ago, J4C0B 4W3S0M3 said:

at least an RX 580

OP has a GTX 1070, why are you recommending something slower?

 

3 minutes ago, Happy1992 said:

I could, in theory. Whats coming out then? New graphic cards? Doesnt that usually take a while again until there are some decently cooled ones?

New Intel 10th gen which will fix their high price issues while being the best alternative for someone wanting to max fps. nVidia's new gen is on the horizon as well.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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Posted · Original PosterOP

You think it will be better then the Ryzen that is currently being talked about everywhere? I always only had Intel CPU + Nvidia GPU. I want to stick to Nvidia since I have good experience with them. Back in the days I was always told to not use AMD CPU with Nvidia GPU. This has changed though afaik, so the Ryzen CPU would be an option, right?

I dont really have a budget set, but anything between 1k-1,5k€ I am totally fine spending. I'd just like to basically "future" proof my rig for the next ~3y which is my usual upgrade time window anyways

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Just change the cpu to a Core i7 and play the game at a lower setting, because I just don't see you're actually getting 1k-1,5k€ worth of parts for 1k-1,5k€ worth of performance increase.


Intel Xeon E5 1650 v3 @ 3.5GHz 6C:12T / CM212 Evo / Asus X99 Deluxe / 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 3000 Trident-Z / Samsung 850 Pro 256GB / Intel 335 240GB / WD Red 2 & 3TB / Antec 850w / RTX 2070 / Win10 Pro x64

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22 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

OP has a GTX 1070, why are you recommending something slower?

 

New Intel 10th gen which will fix their high price issues while being the best alternative for someone wanting to max fps. nVidia's new gen is on the horizon as well.

I must have missed that lol

 

I was probably half asleep

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