Can someone look over my list of parts? Recommendations would be great!

[MAXimum01]

Hi, I'm building my first pc and want someone to look over the parts and maybe recommend a few changes. My pc part list is here https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/drc and I've been trying to do a lot of research. As for the budget, I'd stay hovering around $2000 mark. I'm pretty lenient.

 

I'm really unsure about GPU and motherboard. For GPU i was thinking something like the 1660 ti or RX 5700 which I just looked into, i don't think i want an RTX card. I originally had a 2nd gen motherboard which was MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max. I'm happy to get that as it has 2x M.2 ports but i really don't know how to find out whats a good motherboard. As for the third-gen ones there was the MSI x570-A pro which is the same price as the ASROCK. I wouldn't mind saving some money too.

 

CPU wise, i was pretty stuck on getting the Ryzen 5 3600 but now I was thinking why not the Ryzen 7 3700X coz why not.

 

Is the CPU cooler any good because I think it looks cool?

 

As for the monitor, I would like to get 'Viewsonic VX2758-2KP-MHD 27inch WQHD IPS FreeSync 144Hz' for $400. But I'm open to an ultra-wide for a similar price (just less not as good specs) they look really cool - though this is separate from my $2000 budget.

 

Oh and whats up with fans, i was told by a mate not to get 5 but it fits them so why not?

 

As for my choice of SSD, is it even worth getting the Samsung one? for the same price as the 500 GB 970 EVO Plus i could get a crucial P1 with 1tb and has pretty good reviews. twice as much storage?? anyways I'm sorry for the long post but i really want to buy it and am also REALLY UNSURE!

 

 

[Jurrunio]

1. that link doesn't work if we dont use your PC. Try use it on incognito mode yourself

 

2. Why not use au.pcpartpicker.com instead of limiting to PCCG?

 

11 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

I originally had a 2nd gen motherboard which was MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max. I'm happy to get that as it has 2x M.2 ports but i really don't know how to find out whats a good motherboard. As for the third-gen ones there was the MSI x570-A pro which is the same price as the ASROCK. I wouldn't mind saving some money too.

Cheapest way is to use the older chipset boards that work with 3rd gen. Budget X570 boards arent always good buys, X570-A Pro for example has the same power delivery capability as the X470 Gaming Plus Max

 

12 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

As for my choice of SSD, is it even worth getting the Samsung one? for the same price as the 500 GB 970 EVO Plus i could get a crucial P1 with 1tb and has pretty good reviews. twice as much storage??

Samsung drives definitely carry a lot of premium. That said the QLC SSD has its flaw on maintaining performance under constant load. I might just put a SATA SSD in there.

[MAXimum01]

45 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1. that link doesn't work if we dont use your PC. Try use it on incognito mode yourself

 

2. Why not use au.pcpartpicker.com instead of limiting to PCCG?

 

Cheapest way is to use the older chipset boards that work with 3rd gen. Budget X570 boards arent always good buys, X570-A Pro for example has the same power delivery capability as the X470 Gaming Plus Max

 

Samsung drives definitely carry a lot of premium. That said the QLC SSD has its flaw on maintaining performance under constant load. I might just put a SATA SSD in there.

Thankyou for the reply! here are some screenshots.

I was using pc part picker but they don't have all the parts on pcg. Once vie decided what i want and get help from you guys ill try and look elsewhere for parts. 

I think ill stick with the Samsung SSD then!! thank you

Hmmm, for motherboards are you suggesting i get a 2nd gen one or maybe pay a little extra for a nice third gen as budget boards aren't really worth it. Have any recommendations?

[Xaring]

I feel like you have too many fans there, the case comes with at least 1 fan already (check the page listing to be sure). 
Id you're not gonna use PCI-E 4.0 you can just stick with the cheaper x470 chipset. X570 runs much hotter (needs active cooling) and carries a price premium. 
Next off is your CPU and GPU. Yes, you can definitelly make good use of the 3700X, but I'd personally just go for a 3600 and upgrade the GPU to an RTX 2070 Super (not for Ray-Tracing, I couldn't care less about it, but for the performance).

 

Those samsung SSDs are pretty good indeed, but again im more oriented for bang for your buck options. I recently got a 1TB NVME drive from Sabrent and im in love with it. You can get an intel 665p 1TB drive for USD120. Yes, they last less, but being half the price, you can use it till you break it and then get a new one to replace it in 3-5 years time. You'll appreciate the extra storae (1tb vs 500GB) and you should never store any important data in just a single place anyways. The SSD should be for OS and games/programs anyways.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, MAXimum01 said:

I think ill stick with the Samsung SSD then!! thank you

I'm talking about other brands. The MX500, SU800, Hynix S31 Gold, KC600 are also good.

 

1 hour ago, MAXimum01 said:

Hmmm, for motherboards are you suggesting i get a 2nd gen one or maybe pay a little extra for a nice third gen as budget boards aren't really worth it. Have any recommendations?

If you want WiFi 6 (rather than just WiFi 5) and wont need more than 8 cores ever, the Asrock Phantom 4 AX could be considered. Power delivery is very weak among X570 boards from Asus and Gigabyte but enough to run the 8 core, but no other board offers WiFi 6 at a comparable price point (Asus' cheapest WiFi 6 board is the X570-E, MSI has the Unify and Ace, Gigabyte has the Master, all one step below the flagship). Otherwise at least get the Asus X570-P, if you dont want its A320 level of barren rear I/O get the Asus TUF or Gigabyte Elite, these two also have WiFi 5 version.

 

Can maybe put 3600MHz CL16/17 kit in there instead of CL18, which is one level of binning worse

 

What's that EK fan doing there?

 

Hyper 212 Evo, not worth buying today. I dont know if you have something for white coolers, but its performance is surpassed by later coolers like the Arcitc Freezer 33/34 esports edition. I think Phanteks sells a couple of whilte tower coolers as well as Deepcool, not sure how accessible they are in AU

 

Case has basically no airflow going in from the front, I'd rather have the Corsair 275R or Fractal Meshify C/S2 white edition

 

Premium custom models are usually not worth it

[MAXimum01]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I'm talking about other brands. The MX500, SU800, Hynix S31 Gold, KC600 are also good.

 

If you want WiFi 6 (rather than just WiFi 5) and wont need more than 8 cores ever, the Asrock Phantom 4 AX could be considered. Power delivery is very weak among X570 boards from Asus and Gigabyte but enough to run the 8 core, but no other board offers WiFi 6 at a comparable price point (Asus' cheapest WiFi 6 board is the X570-E, MSI has the Unify and Ace, Gigabyte has the Master, all one step below the flagship). Otherwise at least get the Asus X570-P, if you dont want its A320 level of barren rear I/O get the Asus TUF or Gigabyte Elite, these two also have WiFi 5 version.

 

Can maybe put 3600MHz CL16/17 kit in there instead of CL18, which is one level of binning worse

 

What's that EK fan doing there?

 

Hyper 212 Evo, not worth buying today. I dont know if you have something for white coolers, but its performance is surpassed by later coolers like the Arcitc Freezer 33/34 esports edition. I think Phanteks sells a couple of whilte tower coolers as well as Deepcool, not sure how accessible they are in AU

 

Case has basically no airflow going in from the front, I'd rather have the Corsair 275R or Fractal Meshify C/S2 white edition

 

Premium custom models are usually not worth it

Haha ok ill for sure take out a fan, i decided to change case so they were just the leftovers. Ill also change the case as well, i like both Corsair 275R or Fractal Meshify C but i might go with the Meshify. i have now changed the RAM to CL 16 3600 MHz

 

As for CPU and its cooling i think ill go back to the 3600 even though it kills me. the 3700x isn't worth it for me. Ive been looking at CPU coolers and i dont think it will be hard to get the Arctic Freezer is AUS. I watched a comparison and the 212 is around 7 degrees hotter.. do you have any other good recommendations? i think if i cant find anything else i might just keep it, i've heard its the safe option

 

I am not completely sure as to what you mean about WIFI 6 and 5. Are you saying no need for 3700X? The wireless adapter i got is overkill but has very good speeds and Bluetooth 5.0, are you saying that i should get a motherboard with WIFI 6 or 5 on it rather than a adapter. i was told by someone that adapters are good if you get the right ones and dont cheap out. I understand better (not 100%) that Power delivery is very weak on X570 boards... im liking the look of your linked Asus X570-P but damn i really didnt think i'd be spending this much on a motherboard. 

[MAXimum01]

2 hours ago, Xaring said:

I feel like you have too many fans there, the case comes with at least 1 fan already (check the page listing to be sure). 
Id you're not gonna use PCI-E 4.0 you can just stick with the cheaper x470 chipset. X570 runs much hotter (needs active cooling) and carries a price premium. 
Next off is your CPU and GPU. Yes, you can definitelly make good use of the 3700X, but I'd personally just go for a 3600 and upgrade the GPU to an RTX 2070 Super (not for Ray-Tracing, I couldn't care less about it, but for the performance).

 

Those samsung SSDs are pretty good indeed, but again im more oriented for bang for your buck options. I recently got a 1TB NVME drive from Sabrent and im in love with it. You can get an intel 665p 1TB drive for USD120. Yes, they last less, but being half the price, you can use it till you break it and then get a new one to replace it in 3-5 years time. You'll appreciate the extra storae (1tb vs 500GB) and you should never store any important data in just a single place anyways. The SSD should be for OS and games/programs anyways.

Yes ill take out one of the fans. i decided to change case to the Fractal Design Meshify C. I'm understanding that a x570 might not be worth it right now, do you have any ideas on what x470 to get?? i just definitely want 2 m.2 ports and i currently have 3600MHz RAM, will this need to change on a x470 board? as the MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max that i was going to get only has 4x 3466MHz. 

Would a rx 5700 xt be better as it runs around the same as the 2070 super but is $100 cheaper? if i cant find a good 2nd gen motherboard id dont think ill get the XT (or the 2070 super) but instead the normal rx 5700 which is only $560!!! compared to a 2060 super which runs worse than a rx 5700 and is $670

With these SSD's sabrent i dont think i can get in AUS but i was exited for a second. Now i dont see why i would need 1tb on my ssd as i have a 3tb hard drive for games and almost everything else.. not like my important data will be there and just programs will be on the ssd, no? and im down to save money and not use Samsung, i just know there the best but it not always cheap. Any other recommendations for ssd. i was looking at the crucial 1tb ssd but apparently as that gets full it slows - but again i would know.

[Xaring]

Oh, you're in AU, i checked USA prices. 
Personally the issue with AMD Cards are the driver problems... Its kind of hit or miss. I use NVENC (Shadowplay) for recording, so I generally stick to NVIDIA, they've had to lower prices already, so AMD is doing godswork in my eyes :P.

IIRC the 5700xt and the 2070 Super trade blows quite evenly, if you're finding a way better price for the red team one, and you're not gonna need the features on NVIDIA, feel free to grab it.

 

About the ram support, check this out:

 As you can see, even if the mobo's dont advertise support for a ram speed, they generally accept it and work. the XMP profile in the RAM should automatically set it to 3600 once you enable it, and you can definitelly manually overclock more if possible. So yeah, if the MSI Gaming Plus Max is to your liking, feel free to go ahead with that one.

 

About the SSDs, just grab a decent brand, Crucial, Intel, HP, Sabrent... They all have the same chips and technology, and flaws. About storage capacity, you'd be surprised at how quickly you can fill them up, lol. I have around 700GB of games, programs and OS in mine already. If you're selective about what you keep in it yeah, you could make do with 500GB, but personally I rather the storage.

[Jurrunio]

7 hours ago, MAXimum01 said:

I am not completely sure as to what you mean about WIFI 6 and 5.

Was called 802.11 ax and 802.11 ac. I see the WiFi 6 adapter in the list, that's why I talked about it.

 

MSi B450 Carbon AC is an option as well if WiFi 6 is not necessary, it still has WiFi 5 and better connectivity than the Asrock Phantom 4. It works with 3rd gen after a BIOS update that you can do without needing any CPU, though you need another computer to put the BIOS file into a USB thumb drive.

 

Boards that comes with WiFi also has Bluetooth in 99% of cases so I won't be worried about that

 

7 hours ago, MAXimum01 said:

I understand better (not 100%) that Power delivery is very weak on X570 boards

It's very weak among X570, because everyone else other than MSI has gone bonkers with it. B550 chipset is where everything should go a bit more reasonable, but since it's not out we still rely on B450.

[MAXimum01]

11 hours ago, Xaring said:

Oh, you're in AU, i checked USA prices. 
Personally the issue with AMD Cards are the driver problems... Its kind of hit or miss. I use NVENC (Shadowplay) for recording, so I generally stick to NVIDIA, they've had to lower prices already, so AMD is doing godswork in my eyes :P.

IIRC the 5700xt and the 2070 Super trade blows quite evenly, if you're finding a way better price for the red team one, and you're not gonna need the features on NVIDIA, feel free to grab it.

 

About the ram support, check this out:

 As you can see, even if the mobo's dont advertise support for a ram speed, they generally accept it and work. the XMP profile in the RAM should automatically set it to 3600 once you enable it, and you can definitelly manually overclock more if possible. So yeah, if the MSI Gaming Plus Max is to your liking, feel free to go ahead with that one.

 

About the SSDs, just grab a decent brand, Crucial, Intel, HP, Sabrent... They all have the same chips and technology, and flaws. About storage capacity, you'd be surprised at how quickly you can fill them up, lol. I have around 700GB of games, programs and OS in mine already. If you're selective about what you keep in it yeah, you could make do with 500GB, but personally I rather the storage.

Yes i might just get the 5700 XT because of how much money i save, also, this will not be bottleneck by the Ryzen 5 3600?

The article you linked is actually makes sense but the x470 pro carbon is discontinued now so i dont know how relevant it is. The only new X470 i can find available on PCG and Scorpec is the MSI X470 Gaming Plus? and im not completely bought on it as it only has 3466MHz (i understand the article). If i get the ASUS Prime X570-P CSM Motherboard will that be worth it as it has a 4.0 M.2 slot which could come in handy in the future. 

Im sorry in feel like you keep answering this question but if i store games on my Barracuda HHD, which is probably overkill at 4TB. I wont be storing games on my SSD? i guess are you saying maybe to get no HHD and just a bigger SSD? but i was originally getting the crucial 1TB SSD but i though maybe for this i would want to pay premium price for "the best"

[MAXimum01]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Was called 802.11 ax and 802.11 ac. I see the WiFi 6 adapter in the list, that's why I talked about it.

 

MSi B450 Carbon AC is an option as well if WiFi 6 is not necessary, it still has WiFi 5 and better connectivity than the Asrock Phantom 4. It works with 3rd gen after a BIOS update that you can do without needing any CPU, though you need another computer to put the BIOS file into a USB thumb drive.

 

Boards that comes with WiFi also has Bluetooth in 99% of cases so I won't be worried about that

 

It's very weak among X570, because everyone else other than MSI has gone bonkers with it. B550 chipset is where everything should go a bit more reasonable, but since it's not out we still rely on B450.

Thankyou!! i now understand what you mean about WIFI 6 and 5. I picked the WIFI 6 adapter not really knowing what it meant but i saw Bluetooth 5.0 and good speeds for a descent price... so i picked it. Now with the motherboards im thinking of getting none of them support 802.11 ax, so should i change to something like the ASUS PCE-AC58BT Dual Band Wireless AC/Bluetooth Adapter? this more expensive!! but i was thinking for cheaper wouldnt it be better still with the WIFI 6 going down to ac?

Aslo the motherboards im looking at are 

MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max Motherboard

ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 Motherboard

ASUS Prime X570-P CSM Motherboard

MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Motherboard

i was leaning towards the ASUS motherboard but after finding out it doesn't have WIFI 6 and im not sure i need it and could save $100 with the x470. even still the B450 board that you recommended looks really good like the x470. I pretty much made up my mind about the B450 to pick over the X470 when i read this 

im might not get the B450 anymore and am thinking of going to a third gen? You also mentioned b550, i had a quick google and they should be out soon, should i wait for them?? please let me know what u think regarding the 4 (well now 2) motherboards i said, i dont really think X470 and B450 from MSI are good..?

Edit: im sorry but i found MSI X570-A Pro Motherboard thoughts?

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Now with the motherboards im thinking of getting none of them support 802.11 ax

On the cheap side Asrock X570 Phantom 4 AX and their other AX boards support 802.11 ax (that's how they got their name)

 

13 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Now with the motherboards im thinking of getting none of them support 802.11 ax, so should i change to something like the ASUS PCE-AC58BT Dual Band Wireless AC/Bluetooth Adapter? this more expensive!! but i was thinking for cheaper wouldnt it be better still with the WIFI 6 going down to ac?

More expensive for less speed? There are boards that support WiFi 5 that are cheap (the PCE-AC58BT is also WiFi 5 max) so I wont bother

 

13 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

ASUS Prime X570-P CSM Motherboard

i was leaning towards the ASUS motherboard but after finding out it doesn't have WIFI 6 and im not sure i need it and could save $100 with the x470. even still the B450 board that you recommended looks really good like the x470.

X570-P does not support wireless connection at all. This is not the Pro (X470-Pro and X570-Pro exists, but not X470-P) but not even the Pro has wireless.

 

15 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

I pretty much made up my mind about the B450 to pick over the X470 when i read this 

im might not get the B450 anymore and am thinking of going to a third gen?

You have use for multiple PCIe and M.2 slot?

 

15 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

You also mentioned b550, i had a quick google and they should be out soon, should i wait for them??

depends on whether you're in a rush or not. I doubt it will do any better in the M.2 slot cutting connectivity issue though

 

16 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

i dont really think X470 and B450 from MSI are good..?

The opposite from VRM standpoint. MSI is the best up till the high end where everyone else caught up.

[VEXICUS]

I'll recommend something like this instead...

Stock AMD cooler does a pretty fine job and has RGB.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($498.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($310.20 @ Newegg Australia) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($115.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Silicon Power A80 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($105.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Western Digital Red Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($190.44 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($654.16 @ Amazon Australia) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ Austin Computers) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte AORUS P GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.00 @ Scorptec) 
Total: $2110.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-20 14:04 AEDT+1100

[MAXimum01]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

On the cheap side Asrock X570 Phantom 4 AX and their other AX boards support 802.11 ax (that's how they got their name)

 

More expensive for less speed? There are boards that support WiFi 5 that are cheap (the PCE-AC58BT is also WiFi 5 max) so I wont bother

 

X570-P does not support wireless connection at all. This is not the Pro (X470-Pro and X570-Pro exists, but not X470-P) but not even the Pro has wireless.

 

You have use for multiple PCIe and M.2 slot?

 

depends on whether you're in a rush or not. I doubt it will do any better in the M.2 slot cutting connectivity issue though

 

The opposite from VRM standpoint. MSI is the best up till the high end where everyone else caught up.

oh yes i figured the ax // ac part out haha but sadly the Phantom 4 AX board doesn't exist at all in Australia. Probably should have told you about that. 

Yes ill keep the gigabyte adapter in, i just wasn't sure if when the adapter switched to AC it would be worse than an adapter made for 802.11 AC use.. sorry my bad.

Oh i just assumed that every board has wireless capabilities, but they either come with WIFI or you need to buy an adapter. But thank-you that's noted. So for the B450's problem is bad. Ive never built a PC yet so i may sound VERY dumb, please correct me. PCIe is for the gpu and is the long one, i understand that it can be used for other things like WIFI and i think sound card? M.2 slot is for SSD's and im sure other things. Anyways im more than happy to buy the B450 if i can run 2 SSD's and my gpu. It also mentions SATA ports which is my HHD right. So in the future when i have to get a new SSD, will i be able to run my HHD, 2 SSD's and my gpu? Im assuming SATA 5 and 6 means the last 2 but idk, that's why i need your help

Hopefully they release some preview of a B550 soon as maybe i could just switch it out if it fits anything.

I've heard a lot about VRM but don't really know much about it, a good VRM is good power delivery?

[Jurrunio]

17 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Oh i just assumed that every board has wireless capabilities, but they either come with WIFI or you need to buy an adapter. But thank-you that's noted.

either they come with WiFi or they don't. You could add Wifi with USB dongles or PCIe card.

 

17 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

i think sound card?

Yes

 

17 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

M.2 slot is for SSD's and im sure other things.

M.2 is for SSDs mainly, there are WiFi and BT cards built on M.2 key E and are placed in the rear I/O for example, the Asrock X470 Taichi

 

There are also SATA SSDs, available for both connecting to SATA port and M.2 (though they still run on SATA protocol and speeds). Tbh for normal users there's no performance difference between SATA and NVMe.

 

17 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

So in the future when i have to get a new SSD, will i be able to run my HHD, 2 SSD's and my gpu? Im assuming SATA 5 and 6 means the last 2 but idk, that's why i need your help

Yes, but if you use more 2.5" SATA SSDs and fewer M.2 SSDs you could have more SATA ports left over for expansion

 

17 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

I've heard a lot about VRM but don't really know much about it, a good VRM is good power delivery?

Sort of. VRM is what's responsible for cutting down voltage, so 12V from the power supply goes to the CPU core voltage, memory voltage and so on, all below 2V and more often around 1V

[MAXimum01]

On 1/20/2020 at 1:54 PM, VEXICUS said:

I'll recommend something like this instead...

Stock AMD cooler does a pretty fine job and has RGB.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($498.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($310.20 @ Newegg Australia) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($115.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Storage: Silicon Power A80 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($105.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Western Digital Red Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($190.44 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($654.16 @ Amazon Australia) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.00 @ Austin Computers) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte AORUS P GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.00 @ Scorptec) 
Total: $2110.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-20 14:04 AEDT+1100

Thankyou for this! im from AUS so i dont really want to buy of Amazon, but the website Newegg looks reliable. Im going to have to ship but do you think that it is worth it to buy from there as it is also foreign to Australia. Just wondering

 

Edit: i think Amazon is trustworthy now haha. i might look at there prices

[VEXICUS]

26 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Thankyou for this! im from AUS so i dont really want to buy of Amazon, 

Why is that?

I am just recommending parts in general. You can purchase those parts according to your convenience. PCPP just lists the lowest prices of products.

[MAXimum01]

49 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

either they come with WiFi or they don't. You could add Wifi with USB dongles or PCIe card.

 

Yes

 

M.2 is for SSDs mainly, there are WiFi and BT cards built on M.2 key E and are placed in the rear I/O for example, the Asrock X470 Taichi

 

There are also SATA SSDs, available for both connecting to SATA port and M.2 (though they still run on SATA protocol and speeds). Tbh for normal users there's no performance difference between SATA and NVMe.

 

Yes, but if you use more 2.5" SATA SSDs and fewer M.2 SSDs you could have more SATA ports left over for expansion

 

Sort of. VRM is what's responsible for cutting down voltage, so 12V from the power supply goes to the CPU core voltage, memory voltage and so on, all below 2V and more often around 1V

Oh so why did you say before that "X570-P does not support wireless connection at all" if i was to use the Gigabyte card to "add Wifi with USB dongles or PCIe card" wouldn't it give the motherboard wireless connection?? 

Ohh ok that makes sense. Im sorry but other than the GPU, if i do use both M.2 slots on the B450, it will disable the PCIe 2,3,4 and 5. Will that affect my build in any way and what would those slots be used for possibly in the future. I guess what else connects to PCIe slots that i might miss out one? I just want to know what ill miss out on, but yes getting SATA ssd's sound like and easy fix to my issue, its just then why get the motherboard with 2x M.2 Slots if im going to intentionally get an SSD not to put there?

Should i maybe try not save money (in regards to 2nd Gen motherboards) and just get a 3rd gen board for convenience and potential in the future?

So for VRM where do i find a motherboards 'efficiency' or unit of how good / bad they are?

[MAXimum01]

20 hours ago, VEXICUS said:

Why is that?

I am just recommending parts in general. You can purchase those parts according to your convenience. PCPP just lists the lowest prices of products.

For buying a new PC and dishing out (for me) alot of money, i want to purchase off sites that mates have used or i know is trustworthy. Sorry i thought u meant to purchase of sites like Newegg, which apparently in Australia isnt very good at all and so "Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($310.20 @ Newegg Australia)" i wouldn't want to get from them despite the price. But thankyou ive actually changed my build abit because of the parts list 

[Jurrunio]

29 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Oh so why did you say before that "X570-P does not support wireless connection at all" if i was to use the Gigabyte card to "add Wifi with USB dongles or PCIe card" wouldn't it give the motherboard wireless connection?? 

I mean it doesn't support wireless on its own.

 

31 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Im sorry but other than the GPU, if i do use both M.2 slots on the B450, it will disable the PCIe 2,3,4 and 5. Will that affect my build in any way and what would those slots be used for possibly in the future. I guess what else connects to PCIe slots that i might miss out one?

PCIe is also seen on sound cards and WiFi cards, that's why for B450 it's still better to use 2.5" SSDs if you just want to connect to more drives rather than making cable management easier

 

32 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

its just then why get the motherboard with 2x M.2 Slots if im going to intentionally get an SSD not to put there?

Because there are people who just dont want to manage two cables per drive and they dont have much need for storage space in the first place? Also good marketing material as well. Many B450 boards only have 1 M.2 slot e.g. the MSI Tomahawk

 

34 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Should i maybe try not save money (in regards to 2nd Gen motherboards) and just get a 3rd gen board for convenience and potential in the future?

Depends. Games for example dont benefit from core count increase, so you dont need a better board just to prepare for the Ryzen 9s as future upgrades (and instead prefer new CPUs' higher single core performance, but those could require a new board at that point

 

37 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

So for VRM where do i find a motherboards 'efficiency' or unit of how good / bad they are?

 

[MAXimum01]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

I mean it doesn't support wireless on its own.

 

PCIe is also seen on sound cards and WiFi cards, that's why for B450 it's still better to use 2.5" SSDs if you just want to connect to more drives rather than making cable management easier

 

Because there are people who just dont want to manage two cables per drive and they dont have much need for storage space in the first place? Also good marketing material as well. Many B450 boards only have 1 M.2 slot e.g. the MSI Tomahawk

 

Depends. Games for example dont benefit from core count increase, so you dont need a better board just to prepare for the Ryzen 9s as future upgrades (and instead prefer new CPUs' higher single core performance, but those could require a new board at that point

 

 

Ok Thankyou!

I think you've ive narrowed it down to 2x B450 boards now! I just found the MSI B450M Mortar Max which looks really good and surprisingly has 2x M.2 slots. Im just not sure as it is a mATX, and the other would be the MSI Pro Carbon. What are your thoughts?? i watched a video on it and apparently it is really good. It is also quite cheap! and i can possibly get a Ryzen 7 3700x or RX 5700 XT. 

 

Also thankyou for the link!

 

Edit: Sorry!! is it worth getting the mortar max with PCIe 3.0 if the gpu has a PCIe 4.0?? sorry ive confused myslef now

[Jurrunio]

30 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

I think you've ive narrowed it down to 2x B450 boards now! I just found the MSI B450M Mortar Max which looks really good and surprisingly has 2x M.2 slots. Im just not sure as it is a mATX, and the other would be the MSI Pro Carbon. What are your thoughts?? i watched a video on it and apparently it is really good. It is also quite cheap! and i can possibly get a Ryzen 7 3700x or RX 5700 XT. 

I think Carbon has a few more ports here and there, but they are both very good among B450 boards.

 

 

31 minutes ago, MAXimum01 said:

Edit: Sorry!! is it worth getting the mortar max with PCIe 3.0 if the gpu has a PCIe 4.0?? sorry ive confused myslef now

PCIe is backwards compatible on both sides, so you could run PCIe 4.0 GPU on PCIe 3.0 systems just as well as PCIe 3.0 card on PCIe 4.0 systems

[yalox]

On 1/19/2020 at 3:30 AM, MAXimum01 said:

Haha ok ill for sure take out a fan, i decided to change case so they were just the leftovers. Ill also change the case as well, i like both Corsair 275R or Fractal Meshify C but i might go with the Meshify. i have now changed the RAM to CL 16 3600 MHz

 

As for CPU and its cooling i think ill go back to the 3600 even though it kills me. the 3700x isn't worth it for me. Ive been looking at CPU coolers and i dont think it will be hard to get the Arctic Freezer is AUS. I watched a comparison and the 212 is around 7 degrees hotter.. do you have any other good recommendations? i think if i cant find anything else i might just keep it, i've heard its the safe option

 

I am not completely sure as to what you mean about WIFI 6 and 5. Are you saying no need for 3700X? The wireless adapter i got is overkill but has very good speeds and Bluetooth 5.0, are you saying that i should get a motherboard with WIFI 6 or 5 on it rather than a adapter. i was told by someone that adapters are good if you get the right ones and dont cheap out. I understand better (not 100%) that Power delivery is very weak on X570 boards... im liking the look of your linked Asus X570-P but damn i really didnt think i'd be spending this much on a motherboard. 

I would still pick up the 3700X. As for the cooler, the Wraith Prism actually performs very well for a stock cooler, there isn't any need for a low-mid range air cooler like the 212, if you have the Wraith Prism. 

[MAXimum01]

44 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I think Carbon has a few more ports here and there, but they are both very good among B450 boards.

 

 

PCIe is backwards compatible on both sides, so you could run PCIe 4.0 GPU on PCIe 3.0 systems just as well as PCIe 3.0 card on PCIe 4.0 systems

Would you say take the B450M and save $70? then i can get a better GPU or CPU.

 

Hmmm i was just looking at SSD speeds between the 2.5" and M.2 NVMe speeds and honestly, its faster but really not by alot... Would you say i could almost get a tomahawk B450 motherboard and maybe start off with a 2.5" SSD and then as M.2 get cheaper and better i would possibly buy one? if that makes sense?

[MAXimum01]

36 minutes ago, yalox said:

I would still pick up the 3700X. As for the cooler, the Wraith Prism actually performs very well for a stock cooler, there isn't any need for a low-mid range air cooler like the 212, if you have the Wraith Prism. 

Yes i might actually give this a try, i think ill be paying abit more but will be worth it! Great recommendation.