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CPU bottleneck with RX 580 8gb

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I have an MSI B450 a-pro mobo, ryzen 3 2200g, 16gb ram, and an RX 580 8gb graphics card. I am barely getting any GPU utilization out of most games I’m playing, unless I go to ultra or extreme settings (but then lose frames). Is there anything I can do to fix this? Or is it just a bad pairing? I’m still new to this, and any help would be greatly appreciated!

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well what kind of games are you trying and what kind of fps are you getting?

The 2200G isn't the best pair obviously but it won't be as bad as you describe here.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Outer worlds, Blair witch, silent hills playable teaser (this one crashes and gives me cpu light)  dead by daylight... I haven’t tried much more than that at the moment 

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8 minutes ago, El Deadpoo said:

FPS at ultra setting for outer worlds is 30-46

well to be fair, that's all your RX580 is capable of at 1080p.

 

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EDIT: what's your CPU utlization like in games?

 

 

EDIT 2: I'm not calling the 580 a shitty card, it's actually really good. However Ultra settings are mostly really dumb. There's usually guides out there that help you maximize performance while keeping the visual fidelity high.


Gaming HTPC:

R7 1700X@stock - Cryorig C7 - Asus ROG B350-i - Asus GTX 1080 Strix - 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws V 3333mhz - Silverstone SX500-LG - 500gb 960 EVO - Fractal Design Node 202 - Samsung 60KS7090 - Logitech G502 - Thrustmaster T500RS - Noblechairs Icon


Desktop PC:
i7 2600k @stock - H100i GTX - Asus P8Z77-i Deluxe - Asus GTX 1050Ti Strix - 16gb HyperX Fury 1866mhz - EVGA 750G2 - 250gb 840 EVO - 6TB WD My Book Duo (Reds) - Enthoo Evolv ITX - Dell U3415W - Benq XL2411T - Qpad MK-85 Brown - Logitech MX518 - Blue Yeti Platinum - Noblechairs Icon 


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R5 2400G - Noctua NH-D14 - Asus Prime X370-Pro - 16gb G.Skill Aegis 3000mhz - Seasonic Focus Platinum 550W - Fractal Design R5* - 
250gb 970 Evo - 2x500gb 860 Evo (Raid0) - 6x4TB WD Red (RaidZ2)

 

Audio Gear:

Hifiman HE-400i - Kennerton Magister - Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm - AKG K7XX - Fostex TH-X00 - O2 Amp/DAC Combo - 
Klipsch RP280F - Klipsch RP160M - Klipsch RP440C - Yamaha RX-V479

 

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GTX 780 DCU2 // 8600GTS // Hifiman HE-400i // Kennerton Magister
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1 minute ago, El Deadpoo said:

If I drop down to medium or even high settings my cpu goes to almost 100 while gpu stays low..

Okay yes, so that's what we call a bottleneck. 

Lucky for you though that you've chosen a Ryzen System with B450 Board. That way you could theoretically just slam a 3950X in there and call it a day.

That's obviously not what i'm recommending but a 3600 would be a very nice upgrade for not that much money.


Gaming HTPC:

R7 1700X@stock - Cryorig C7 - Asus ROG B350-i - Asus GTX 1080 Strix - 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws V 3333mhz - Silverstone SX500-LG - 500gb 960 EVO - Fractal Design Node 202 - Samsung 60KS7090 - Logitech G502 - Thrustmaster T500RS - Noblechairs Icon


Desktop PC:
i7 2600k @stock - H100i GTX - Asus P8Z77-i Deluxe - Asus GTX 1050Ti Strix - 16gb HyperX Fury 1866mhz - EVGA 750G2 - 250gb 840 EVO - 6TB WD My Book Duo (Reds) - Enthoo Evolv ITX - Dell U3415W - Benq XL2411T - Qpad MK-85 Brown - Logitech MX518 - Blue Yeti Platinum - Noblechairs Icon 


Boss-NAS [Build Log]:
R5 2400G - Noctua NH-D14 - Asus Prime X370-Pro - 16gb G.Skill Aegis 3000mhz - Seasonic Focus Platinum 550W - Fractal Design R5* - 
250gb 970 Evo - 2x500gb 860 Evo (Raid0) - 6x4TB WD Red (RaidZ2)

 

Audio Gear:

Hifiman HE-400i - Kennerton Magister - Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm - AKG K7XX - Fostex TH-X00 - O2 Amp/DAC Combo - 
Klipsch RP280F - Klipsch RP160M - Klipsch RP440C - Yamaha RX-V479

 

Reviews and Stuff:

GTX 780 DCU2 // 8600GTS // Hifiman HE-400i // Kennerton Magister
Folding all the Proteins! // Boincerino

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Posted · Original PosterOP
9 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

well to be fair, that's all your RX580 is capable of at 1080p.

 

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EDIT: what's your CPU utlization like in games?

 

 

EDIT 2: I'm not calling the 580 a shitty card, it's actually really good. However Ultra settings are mostly really dumb. There's usually guides out there that help you maximize performance while keeping the visual fidelity high.

is there any way to get by with it for now? I have just put it all together, and gf will kill me if I try to get another cpu right away haha

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3 minutes ago, El Deadpoo said:

is there any way to get by with it for now? I have just put it all together, and gf will kill me if I try to get another cpu right away haha

i'm afraid, the only way is to lower some of the more CPU intensive settings OR dive into overclocking that small CPU and especially ram. that way you can probably squeeze out a couple FPS. OC'ing the GPU won't help you here. 

 

If you don't want to spend so much money on a CPU again i'd recommend the used market. I've seen 2700X's for as low as 170€ NEW so a used one will probably land you just over 100€/$. Step down to a 2600X and you'll still get a kickin' rig. 


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R7 1700X@stock - Cryorig C7 - Asus ROG B350-i - Asus GTX 1080 Strix - 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws V 3333mhz - Silverstone SX500-LG - 500gb 960 EVO - Fractal Design Node 202 - Samsung 60KS7090 - Logitech G502 - Thrustmaster T500RS - Noblechairs Icon


Desktop PC:
i7 2600k @stock - H100i GTX - Asus P8Z77-i Deluxe - Asus GTX 1050Ti Strix - 16gb HyperX Fury 1866mhz - EVGA 750G2 - 250gb 840 EVO - 6TB WD My Book Duo (Reds) - Enthoo Evolv ITX - Dell U3415W - Benq XL2411T - Qpad MK-85 Brown - Logitech MX518 - Blue Yeti Platinum - Noblechairs Icon 


Boss-NAS [Build Log]:
R5 2400G - Noctua NH-D14 - Asus Prime X370-Pro - 16gb G.Skill Aegis 3000mhz - Seasonic Focus Platinum 550W - Fractal Design R5* - 
250gb 970 Evo - 2x500gb 860 Evo (Raid0) - 6x4TB WD Red (RaidZ2)

 

Audio Gear:

Hifiman HE-400i - Kennerton Magister - Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm - AKG K7XX - Fostex TH-X00 - O2 Amp/DAC Combo - 
Klipsch RP280F - Klipsch RP160M - Klipsch RP440C - Yamaha RX-V479

 

Reviews and Stuff:

GTX 780 DCU2 // 8600GTS // Hifiman HE-400i // Kennerton Magister
Folding all the Proteins! // Boincerino

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2 minutes ago, El Deadpoo said:

Right on, so a ryzen 5 2600x would work good?

Yes. It has 3x the Threadcount of a 2200G and clocks higher. 

It might still lag behind in some (apparently badly optimzed) games but definitly not as bad.

Just look through a couple benchmarks on youtube of the games you play and you'll most likely also find a config that has a 2600X and 580 or similar. 


Gaming HTPC:

R7 1700X@stock - Cryorig C7 - Asus ROG B350-i - Asus GTX 1080 Strix - 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws V 3333mhz - Silverstone SX500-LG - 500gb 960 EVO - Fractal Design Node 202 - Samsung 60KS7090 - Logitech G502 - Thrustmaster T500RS - Noblechairs Icon


Desktop PC:
i7 2600k @stock - H100i GTX - Asus P8Z77-i Deluxe - Asus GTX 1050Ti Strix - 16gb HyperX Fury 1866mhz - EVGA 750G2 - 250gb 840 EVO - 6TB WD My Book Duo (Reds) - Enthoo Evolv ITX - Dell U3415W - Benq XL2411T - Qpad MK-85 Brown - Logitech MX518 - Blue Yeti Platinum - Noblechairs Icon 


Boss-NAS [Build Log]:
R5 2400G - Noctua NH-D14 - Asus Prime X370-Pro - 16gb G.Skill Aegis 3000mhz - Seasonic Focus Platinum 550W - Fractal Design R5* - 
250gb 970 Evo - 2x500gb 860 Evo (Raid0) - 6x4TB WD Red (RaidZ2)

 

Audio Gear:

Hifiman HE-400i - Kennerton Magister - Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm - AKG K7XX - Fostex TH-X00 - O2 Amp/DAC Combo - 
Klipsch RP280F - Klipsch RP160M - Klipsch RP440C - Yamaha RX-V479

 

Reviews and Stuff:

GTX 780 DCU2 // 8600GTS // Hifiman HE-400i // Kennerton Magister
Folding all the Proteins! // Boincerino

Useful Links:
Do you need an AMP/DAC? // Recommended Audio Gear // PSU Tier List 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
23 hours ago, steelo said:

A 2200g should not be bottlenecking a mid grade RX580 that severely...something isn't quite right here.

Know anything that might help? 

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Did you go into the BIOS and disable the igpu and the shared memory it uses? That'll make your gaming experience a bit shit if everything's trying to use the igpu because it's not as good as a dedicated card and it uses system RAM as it's vram which will be slower than the gddr5 on your rx580.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
5 minutes ago, Dayglorange said:

Did you go into the BIOS and disable the igpu and the shared memory it uses? That'll make your gaming experience a bit shit if everything's trying to use the igpu because it's not as good as a dedicated card and it uses system RAM as it's vram which will be slower than the gddr5 on your rx580.

When I get back home I’ll see if it’s disabled, it was showing my full ram where before I had the graphics card it had taken away 2gb. Where would I find that in bios? I am still completely new to this, it is my first build.. 

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1 minute ago, El Deadpoo said:

When I get back home I’ll see if it’s disabled, it was showing my full ram where before I had the graphics card it had taken away 2gb. Where would I find that in bios? I am still completely new to this, it is my first build.. 

I'm not familiar with the MSI BIOS but it should be pretty similar to most others, there should be a section for "Advanced config" and listed under north bridge config. At least that's where it is for me on my asrock board. If you have your motherboard manual handy (you can also Google it for a digital pdf) it should also mention where that setting is located specifically for your board. I added a pic of my bios screen that may or may not help depending on how similar yours is.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thank you! Mine says it’s a “legacy+uefi” bios, I don’t know how to just use uefi? I can disable the legacy and do straight uefi, but I don’t know if that will screw anything up, I am kind of scared to mess with it, but the uefi bios by itself looks so much better 

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7 hours ago, El Deadpoo said:

Thank you! Mine says it’s a “legacy+uefi” bios, I don’t know how to just use uefi? I can disable the legacy and do straight uefi, but I don’t know if that will screw anything up, I am kind of scared to mess with it, but the uefi bios by itself looks so much better 

I'm thinking  you shouldn't have any 'shared' memory for the igpu since you are using a dedicated graphics card. Perhaps your simply running low on memory, thus severely limiting performance?

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If you lower your screen resolution in game to 720p for example, and the FPS don't get noticeably better and smoother, then it means your CPU is holding you back a fair bit.

An R5 2600/2600X would solve these issues for cheap.

 


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The 580 is a '1080' card, you should not have issues on 1080p/medium to high settings. There definitely is an issue...are  your drivers up to date?

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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 11/17/2019 at 12:32 PM, steelo said:

The 580 is a '1080' card, you should not have issues on 1080p/medium to high settings. There definitely is an issue...are  your drivers up to date?

Drivers are up to date, I really don’t know what’s going on with it :( 

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2200G is really low end CPU,  I was suckered into getting one last year too "it has good single core performance and is great for games!"

 

€110 down the drain lol...

 

 


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