Stuck chosing a Gaming build.

[brianbs]

Hey all! So I use my desktop primarily for gaming, and it's been about 5 years since I've built a whole new rig. My current setup plays pretty much everything out right now well but I'm noticing slower performance. I'm trying to keep this under $3000 USD. I do currently have 2 monitors and plan to get new ones down the road, as well as new mouse and keyboard, so for now they won't be included here.

 

Anyway, I've heard a lot of good things about the Ryzen series chips but I've been using Intel forever. I'm going to post my builds that work for both chipsets and then the processors I'm stuck choosing between. I'd love to know what you guys think and also curious if I'm gonna notice a huge difference between the 2. Any recommendations to replace parts with something better are always welcome, and any advice on compatability are appreciated!

 

Case:

Cooler Master MasterCase H500M ATX Mid-Tower w/ 4x Side Tempered Glass Panels, Type-C I/O Panel, 2x Vertical GPU Card PCI Slots & 2x 200mm ARGB Fans w/ARGB Controller

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16811119349?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

PSU:

CORSAIR RMx Series RM850x CP-9020180-NA 850W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16817139234?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

GPU: 

MSI GeForce RTX 2080 DirectX 12 RTX 2080 VENTUS 8G OC 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16814137350?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

RAM:

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-32GTZR

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16820232748?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

SSDs:

Asura Genesis Xtreme High Performance 1TB Gaming RGB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 3D TLC NVMe M.2 Internal SSD Storage (Desktop PC/Gaming PC) - Modular Heatsinks – 7 Years Warranty

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16820980003?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

WD Blue 3D NAND 1TB Internal SSD - SATA III 6Gb/s 2.5"/7mm Solid State Drive - WDS100T2B0A

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16820250088?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

Now the 2 things in stuck on, AMD or Intel?

 

Intel CPU and MoBo:

Intel Core i7-9700K Coffee Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.9 GHz Turbo) LGA 1151 (300 Series) 95W BX80684I79700K Desktop Processor Intel UHD Graphics 630

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16819117958?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

ASUS PRIME Z370-A II LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel Z370 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16813119163?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

AMD CPU and MoBo:

AMD RYZEN 7 3800X 8-Core 3.9 GHz (4.5 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 105W 100-100000025BOX Desktop Processor

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16819113104?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F GAMING AM4 AMD X370 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16813132989?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

I'm pretty sure I've covered the compatability for both sets here, but if I didn't I'd love for anyone to point it out! Even if there's bottleneck issues. And yes I'm kind of going for rgb this time. I was never really into it but recently got some new fans for my current build and I love it now.

 

From the benchmarks I've seen I see the Ryzen is much more powerful but the build total is gonna be an extra 600 bucks which isn't terrible for me I guess. I'm just really curious how much of a difference this is gonna make in gameplay for me, and how noticable it'll be.

 

Lastly, I have no idea what makes a good motherboard so if you have any recommendations or just tips in general on motherboards id love to hear them!

 

Thank you guys so much for your time and any input!

[GoldenLag]

3700x + x570 board is the way to go over those options.

 

The 9700k without HT doesnt make a lot of sence and the 3800x is just a scam. 

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, brianbs said:

CORSAIR RMx Series RM850x CP-9020180-NA 850W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply

You only need a good 550w PSU

 

6 minutes ago, brianbs said:

ASUS PRIME Z370-A II LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel Z370 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

Unlikely has the correct Bios to function.

6 minutes ago, brianbs said:

ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F GAMING AM4 AMD X370 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

Could function but you should get x570 instead of it. 

 

7 minutes ago, brianbs said:

WD Blue 3D NAND 1TB Internal SSD - SATA III 6Gb/s 2.5"/7mm Solid State Drive - WDS100T2B0A

You can get better drives instead, like the Sabrent rocket.

[GoldenLag]

What are you looking to get within this budget of 3000$?

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($327.89 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool Fryzen 64 CFM CPU Cooler  ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($169.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card  ($708.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: be quiet! Silent Base 801 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1830.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-05 10:56 EDT-0400

 

Something along the lines of this i suppose.

[Radium_Angel]

22 minutes ago, brianbs said:

Ryzen

You're new here, so you may not know this, but currently LTT is firmly in the Ryzen camp. Everyone is going to say Ryzen and AMD for the GPU.

I use twin Xeons for my workstation systems, but I"m the outlier here.

Just an FYI

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900KF 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($419.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($239.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($169.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card  ($708.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: be quiet! Silent Base 801 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1983.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-05 11:01 EDT-0400

 

Something like this if you would want intel. This will give higher performance than the 3700x. 

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

AMD for the GPU

Why would you want AMD for the GPU when you have 3000$ to spend?

[Radium_Angel]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Why would you want AMD for the GPU when you have 3000$ to spend?

Personally I don't, but I see it suggested often enough

[Epimetheus]

16 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

You're new here, so you may not know this, but currently LTT is firmly in the Ryzen camp. Everyone is going to say Ryzen and AMD for the GPU.

I use twin Xeons for my workstation systems, but I"m the outlier here.

Just an FYI

well sorry if people here like to suggest smart and sensible options i guess

[5x5]

Definitely get a 3700X. It's the best value for your case. Use the saved money on a 2080 Ti. The 9900K is a space heater and doesn't make any sense to waste 500$ on it when the 3700X is nearly identical in performance, uses far less power, runs much cooler and an Asus X570 TuF for about 200$ will allow you to easily upgrade to a 16 core 3950X or Zen3 next year. With intel there is no upgrade path. 1151 is dead and next gen will be on 1200

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Personally I don't, but I see it suggested often enough

For 3000$ builds?

 

I mean AMD has. A pretty good grip regarding the 350-400$ pricpoint with the rx 5700xt and rx 5700. Below that is 1660ti and above that 2070s and 2080.

 

Tho i will admit a lot of people are stopping people from getting the 2070s because its too expencive for what you get and ends up suggesting a 5700 xt. Instead.

 

 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

1151 is dead and next gen will be on 1200

Well there is the possibility they recycle it with the identical but bigger 10 core cometlake. But at least there is the pre-overclocked 9900KS on the horizon.

[Epimetheus]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

For 3000$ builds?

 

I mean AMD has. A pretty good grip regarding the 350-400$ pricpoint with the rx 5700xt and rx 5700. Below that is 1660ti and above that 2070s and 2080.

 

Tho i will admit a lot of people are stopping people from getting the 2070s because its too expencive for what you get and ends up suggesting a 5700 xt. Instead.

 

 

yeah probably because of the hype of navi launch and the fact that they're much faster than their counterparts, but a 5700 xt isn't going to give you quite the 2070 Super

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Epimetheus said:

well sorry if people here like to suggest smart and sensible options i guess

You would be suprised the ammount of time worse options get suggested.

[Epimetheus]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

You would be suprised the ammount of time worse options get suggested.

with Ryzen 3000? There aren't really any bad options there, but yeah in other cases i agree

[Jannov]

40 minutes ago, brianbs said:

Intel CPU and MoBo:

Intel Core i7-9700K Coffee Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.9 GHz Turbo) LGA 1151 (300 Series) 95W BX80684I79700K Desktop Processor Intel UHD Graphics 630

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16819117958?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

ASUS PRIME Z370-A II LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel Z370 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16813119163?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

Gotta be careful for the BIOS compatibility. U gotta harass the seller to get u the latest BIOS or update it for you. Or else u gotta buy a supported LGA 1151 CPU or borrow from someone just to update the GPU. I suggest go for Z390 instead buddy.

 

As for your question, I don't know which one is better Intel or AMD. I guess if u r going to do some work in ur PC, I'd say go for Intel. Because my feelings said that (I might have been brain washed and have very little experience on AMD) most of the productivity programs are optimized for Intel. I could be very wrong, so just don't take my word for this answer between AMD vs Intel.

[Jannov]

45 minutes ago, brianbs said:

Intel CPU and MoBo:

Intel Core i7-9700K Coffee Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.9 GHz Turbo) LGA 1151 (300 Series) 95W BX80684I79700K Desktop Processor Intel UHD Graphics 630

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16819117958?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

 

ASUS PRIME Z370-A II LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel Z370 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

 

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16813119163?ignorebbr=1&m_ver=1

Gotta be careful for the BIOS compatibility. U gotta harass the seller to get u the latest BIOS or update it for you. Or else u gotta buy a supported LGA 1151 CPU or borrow from someone just to update the GPU. I suggest go for Z390 instead buddy.

 

As for your question, I don't know which one is better Intel or AMD. I guess if u r going to do some work in ur PC, I'd say go for Intel. Because my feelings said that (I might have been brain washed and have very little experience on AMD) most of the productivity programs are optimized for Intel. I could be very wrong, so just don't take my word for this answer between AMD vs Intel.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Jannov said:

I guess if u r going to do some work in ur PC, I'd say go for Intel.

Unless you are doing adobe and avx. Thats not really the case. Also avoid skylake X and iGPU less intel CPUs if you are doing work.

48 minutes ago, brianbs said:

Any recommendations to replace parts with something better are always welcome, and any advice on compatability are appreciated!

We generally just smack together partlists. Are the 3000$ in US currency or?

 

What is the full usage scope of this build?

 

What resolution is the monitors?

 

I kinda jumped the gun when posting thos builds. 

[5x5]

20 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Well there is the possibility they recycle it with the identical but bigger 10 core cometlake. But at least there is the pre-overclocked 9900KS on the horizon.

1200 is confirmed to be dropping in 2020/2021 with another 14nm refresh before 10nm.

[5x5]

20 minutes ago, Jannov said:

Gotta be careful for the BIOS compatibility. U gotta harass the seller to get u the latest BIOS or update it for you. Or else u gotta buy a supported LGA 1151 CPU or borrow from someone just to update the GPU. I suggest go for Z390 instead buddy.

 

As for your question, I don't know which one is better Intel or AMD. I guess if u r going to do some work in ur PC, I'd say go for Intel. Because my feelings said that (I might have been brain washed and have very little experience on AMD) most of the productivity programs are optimized for Intel. I could be very wrong, so just don't take my word for this answer between AMD vs Intel.

You most certainly have been. The vast majority of professional applications perform the same or better on AMD

 Even a few Adobe products. There are very few applications in which intel has a lead of more than 4%

[brianbs]

Thanks a whole lot guys. Looks like I got some more research to do here!

[brianbs]

On 9/5/2019 at 11:24 AM, GoldenLag said:

Unless you are doing adobe and avx. Thats not really the case. Also avoid skylake X and iGPU less intel CPUs if you are doing work.

We generally just smack together partlists. Are the 3000$ in US currency or?

 

What is the full usage scope of this build?

 

What resolution is the monitors?

 

I kinda jumped the gun when posting thos builds. 

I guess for the most part just HQ gaming. Im not getting super good monitors right away, but i do plan on at least 1440p down the road, I'm not familiar with how much of the monitor stuff works, but right now I only have 2, and the main screen is the good one that I game on, the other one just stays on for discord or other communications stuff

 

also, those 2 builds you posted are earlier are still just as good as mine with the cheaper parts? I want this one to last me a while (longer than my current build, which is 4 years old)

 

and lastly, why is the 3800x just a scam? a lot of the [basic] research ive done shows it getting much better benchmarks than the 3700

[brob]

On 9/5/2019 at 10:38 AM, GoldenLag said:

3700x + x570 board is the way to go over those options.

 

The 9700k without HT doesnt make a lot of sence and the 3800x is just a scam. 

While I agree that the 3800X is not a good deal, (the 3700X has very similar gaming results out of the box), Suggesting that the way to go is to pick a poorer gaming cpu and lower performing gpu just doesn't make sense to me.

 

The i7-9700K fills a particular market niche. In most gaming titles it performs as well as the i9-9900K.

 

@brianbs, assemble your build(s) in pcpartpicker.com and post the results here. Following individual newegg links is a pita.

 

Nothing wrong with picking the i7-9700K for a pure gaming rig. If you plan on streaming or like to do video editing a 3700X should be considered.

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, brob said:

The i7-9700K fills a particular market niche. In most gaming titles it performs as well as the i9-9900K.

It does, but it also lack HT. Which might not seem like a huge deal, but its the dealbreaker for me to suggest it. I would rather suggest the 8700k or 9900 over it.  Why? Cause it keeps the CPUs relevant for longer. 6c/6t is allready starting to see a little bit of stutter (bot present on 4c/8t), and it wont be long untill 8c/8t will see similar symptoms

6 minutes ago, brob said:

lower performing gpu just doesn't make sense to me.

Did i suggest going for a lower end GPU in a 3000$ budget?

 

Like, yes i did lowball it with roughly 2000 expenditure, but i did post later and said i jumped the gun in those builds. 

12 minutes ago, brob said:

Suggesting that the way to go is to pick a poorer gaming cpu

Yes the 3700x is slower than the 9700k in games, but as mentioned earlier, the lack of threads really isnt all that worth it.