A kid asked me to build him a gaming PC for 450 usd

[Lonehelljumper]

I am thinking about going with a AMD 1200 system that I will overclock, 16 GB of 3000 gskill agis ram. My question is what do you all think about a rx 580 or used gtx 970 with it? I can get the gtx 970 for like $50. And also what kind of bottlenecking would that CPU cause now and in the future? I've only used higher end AMD cpus so far so I'm kind of clueless.

[sazrocks]

Does he need peripherals?

[r2724r16]

Is it for Fortnite? 

[Fasauceome]

12 minutes ago, Lonehelljumper said:

can get the gtx 970 for like $50

Hell yeah go for it, that's an excellent deal.

 

13 minutes ago, Lonehelljumper said:

And also what kind of bottlenecking would that CPU cause now and in the future

Doesn't really matter if you're getting a superb deal on the GPU. And besides, the whole point of AM4 is having upgrade potential so when you do face a bottleneck, no need for a new motherboard. Just get the kid a properly outfitted board and he's set.

[KEIN NEIN]

14 minutes ago, Lonehelljumper said:

I am thinking about going with a AMD 1200 system that I will overclock, 16 GB of 3000 gskill agis ram. My question is what do you all think about a rx 580 or used gtx 970 with it? I can get the gtx 970 for like $50. And also what kind of bottlenecking would that CPU cause now and in the future? I've only used higher end AMD cpus so far so I'm kind of clueless.

I think the R5 1400/1600 are only slightly cheaper so I'd take those CPUs instead.

 

GTX 970 for $50 sounds like a good deal so yes I'd grab that card and spend more money on the rest of the system

[Lonehelljumper]

5 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Does he need peripherals?

Yes

[Lonehelljumper]

2 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

Is it for Fortnite? 

I hope not. Lol

[Akira Shimazu]

https://plainmemory.com/article/how-to-build-a-450-gaming-pc-for-apex-legends-gta5-fornite-2019/

 

i prefer 2200g to lower budget or rx570

 

[Lonehelljumper]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Hell yeah go for it, that's an excellent deal.

 

Doesn't really matter if you're getting a superb deal on the GPU. And besides, the whole point of AM4 is having upgrade potential so when you do face a bottleneck, no need for a new motherboard. Just get the kid a properly outfitted board and he's set.

Yeah I was going to get a msi b450 gaming mini atx board. They are like $84

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Lonehelljumper said:

Yeah I was going to get a msi b450 gaming mini atx board. They are like $84

The ASRock B450m pro4 might be an even more economical choice. Personally if I was building it I'd go with this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$59.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$59.99 @ Newegg
Storage	TCSunBow - X3 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$43.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus - GeForce GTX 970 4 GB STRIX Video Card	$50.00
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 3.1 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$42.17 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$37.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$379.01
	Mail-in rebates	-$25.00
	Total	$354.01
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-25 20:07 EDT-0400

Was this about what you had in mind?

[KarathKasun]

Find an R5 1400/1500x, they can be had for ~$80.

[Lonehelljumper]

12 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

The ASRock B450m pro4 might be an even more economical choice. Personally if I was building it I'd go with this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$59.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$59.99 @ Newegg
Storage	TCSunBow - X3 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$43.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus - GeForce GTX 970 4 GB STRIX Video Card	$50.00
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 3.1 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$42.17 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$37.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$379.01
	Mail-in rebates	-$25.00
	Total	$354.01
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-25 20:07 EDT-0400

Was this about what you had in mind?

Yes pretty much. Except I was going to go with a higher watt psu, I dont know if 450 will power the 970 with an overclock on the r3 1200.

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Lonehelljumper said:

Yes pretty much. Except I was going to go with a higher watt psu, I dont know if 450 will power the 970 with an overclock on the r3 1200.

oh it definitely will, my i7 and titan pull 400 watts from the wall during a synthetic test, 250 to 300 when gaming.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Lonehelljumper said:

Yes pretty much. Except I was going to go with a higher watt psu, I dont know if 450 will power the 970 with an overclock on the r3 1200.

It absolutely will.

[Lonehelljumper]

5 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Find an R5 1400/1500x.

That was the plan, but the 1200 is only around $60 compared to $130 for a 1400.

[KarathKasun]

2 minutes ago, Lonehelljumper said:

That was the plan, but the 1200 is only around $60 compared to $130 for a 1400.

If you dig around, the 1400 is $80.

 

e-bay listing for one at $90, listed as new in box with cooler nevermind, bare CPU.

https://www.ebay.com/p/AMD-YD1400BBAEBOX-Ryzen-5-1400-3200MHz-Quad-Core-Processor/14032162123?iid=223489161914

[Lonehelljumper]

1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

If you dig around, the 1400 is $80.

That would be a nice find. 

[Daniel Z.]

1 minute ago, Lonehelljumper said:

That was the plan, but the 1200 is only around $60 compared to $130 for a 1400.

I would try to get a 1600. As Linus has said before, it's not 110 to 60, its 400 to 350 because you have to factor in the entire cost. 400 and 350 is a pretty minor difference, and the 1600 would be much better, especially for minimum FPS.

[Lonehelljumper]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

oh it definitely will, my i7 and titan pull 400 watts from the wall during a synthetic test, 250 to 300 when gaming.

Didnt know that. I just built a 1600 system with a rx 580, it seemed to have power issues with a 500 watt psu, so I've been nervous about using too low of a psu since lol.

[Daniel Z.]

1 minute ago, Lonehelljumper said:

Didnt know that. I just built a 1600 system with a rx 580, it seemed to have power issues with a 500 watt psu, so I've been nervous about using too low of a psu since lol.

Often times wattage isn't the biggest part, it's quality. A 700w Raidmax unit would work much worse than a 450 watt Corsair CXM.

[Lonehelljumper]

1 minute ago, Daniel Z. said:

Often times wattage isn't the biggest part, it's quality. A 700w Raidmax unit would work much worse than a 450 watt Corsair CXM.

It was a evga 500 watt bronze psu. The issue I had with that is GPU would not hold a steady clock, and if I tried to increase the power limit it would just crash for no reason.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Lonehelljumper said:

It was a evga 500 watt bronze psu. The issue I had with that is GPU would not hold a steady clock, and if I tried to increase the power limit it would just crash for no reason.

That is something else entirely.

[Lonehelljumper]

6 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

I would try to get a 1600. As Linus has said before, it's not 110 to 60, its 400 to 350 because you have to factor in the entire cost. 400 and 350 is a pretty minor difference, and the 1600 would be much better, especially for minimum FPS.

I have to throw a keyboard and mouse with it, I'm going to be right on the line of the budget.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Lonehelljumper said:

I have to throw a keyboard and mouse with it, I'm going to be right on the line of the budget.

My KB/M budget is like... $30.

 

Cheap bestbuy keyboard and Chinese/Korean gaming mouse

[Lonehelljumper]

Just now, KarathKasun said:

That is something else entirely.

Really possibly a some what defective psu, as I tested all parts with bo problems until i increase dthe GPU power limit by like + 5%