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Opinions? Rx 580 vs GTX 1060?

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6 minutes ago, LOST TALE said:

does the HCG620w have a problem with rail layout and 2 cards?

Maybe, i havent doublechecked amperage. 

 

Its also in general a bad unit. 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

RX 580 8gb how's that one look? Under $200. I have a 750 psu so now worried about power consumption. I was wanting to find something with the 8gb vram so was leaning towards the 580 anyway. Someone asking what area I was purchasing from? US. And what it is used for, it'll be for gaming mostly and eventually using the blender program for rending and such when I get the money to get some schooling.

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53 minutes ago, GtfoDragon57 said:

RX 580 8gb how's that one look? Under $200. I have a 750 psu so now worried about power consumption. I was wanting to find something with the 8gb vram so was leaning towards the 580 anyway. Someone asking what area I was purchasing from? US. And what it is used for, it'll be for gaming mostly and eventually using the blender program for rending and such when I get the money to get some schooling.

Looks fine, here's another option too

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125962


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1 hour ago, S w a t s o n said:

Is there a specific reason for suggesting that one? Just curious because the other has a higher clock speed and everything else is the same except yours specifies gold plating on the HDMI port. It's also a hair more expensive.

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4 minutes ago, GtfoDragon57 said:

Is there a specific reason for suggesting that one? Just curious because the other has a higher clock speed and everything else is the same except yours specifies gold plating on the HDMI port. It's also a hair more expensive.

With the promo code they are the same price? I just recommended it because I noticed that model you chose has a low review score, perhaps a bad batch went out. That model should be fine though


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2 hours ago, LOST TALE said:

I stated a fact. It's not wrong. Quote what was wrong.

Its wrong to generalize on Wattage because of a single, really low end 620W PSU.

 I proven you wrong with my two 7970GHz/280X.

 

Your PSU is made by Seasonc, based on the S12II-Bronze basis, wich was modified for Antec and got a better Protection IC but that doesn't really make it much better as voltage regulation is pretty bad as well:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/3/#abschnitt_spannungsregulation


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2 hours ago, S w a t s o n said:

With the promo code they are the same price? I just recommended it because I noticed that model you chose has a low review score, perhaps a bad batch went out. That model should be fine though

Ahh I didn't notice the promo. Idk, I think I'll go with the first one cuz it's got a little higher ghz. Thanks for the link, though!

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1 minute ago, GtfoDragon57 said:

Ahh I didn't notice the promo. Idk, I think I'll go with the first one cuz it's got a little higher ghz. Thanks for the link, though!

Clock speed isn't everything, plus you can manually overclock if you need to.

 

I would bet that you wouldn't notice much of a difference between the slower card and the faster card(provided they're the same GPU).

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11 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

NO!

Because the Wattage is absolutely IRRELEVANT and yes, we have to talk about 12V Rails and Amperage because this is a 500W PSU. Obviously its crap and nobody would recommend it.


So pls stop talking about Wattage as that only leads to disaster and really really shitty units.


If we're talking about good quality 400W, it doesn't have any Problems with the 580 at all.

Especially since its a good amount away from 400W...

Hmm, and here I thought P= U*I. So if wattage is irrelevant, that means amperage is as well. Truly a big brain at work here.

 

I'm not recommending a cheap-ass 500W, obviously adhering to some expected level of quality or use of an a-brand. But even among those, the platforms they use can differ. And between A-brands, the amount of amperage can differ on the 12V rails. Like using multi-rails, or single rails. Having either the full 33A or merely 30A (360W) for example. 

 

The reason I said 500W is three-fold. A. because system power consumption with this card is pretty close to 400W.
 

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B, if you have an a-brand 500W, there is more tolerance that can be had on the amount they opted to go for on the 12V rails. They could have gone for the full 42A, but also much lower like 35A. Or even multi-rail setups. Unless you already know about how these platforms are built-up, it's safer to pick a decent grade 500W. You can't expect any layperson so understand electronics, and you're only making it harder on everyone with this elitist attitude. 

 

C, the 500W are usually cheaper, because they ship larger volume (most people err on the side of caution). Or at the least, not much different. This is only truely an interesting argument/scenario for OEM's shipping large quantities of units. That by shaving off a few $ it is multiplied over all sales. 

 

Don't tell me to not say something if these are your arguments, and try to size up your opponent next time, lest you get caught out flailing publicly like this.

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Unless you have a low end power supply the only reason to get a 1060 over an RX580 is if you plan to use it for emulation in a windows environment, which depending on what your emulating still relies heavily on OpenGL. Otherwise for regular PC gaming RX580 all the way.


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Provided you have a decent PSU RX 580 should be fine. Although keep in mind here wattage is not only the consideration. The quality of the PSU matters the most in these cases. I think 500W is decent enough, check PC partpicker as well you can figure out how much power your PC can use (maximum) and make a choice. If you're on a budget masterwatt series from Cooler Master or grey label VS series from Corsair are the ones to go for. Don't go for anything cheaper than this. THIS IS THE BASE LINE I'm talking about.  


If you are planning to do some hardware related encoding I have a feeling that GTX 1060 would be your best buddy. But keep in mind it's expensive. Also I'd not mind if you rather buy a GTX 1660 instead of a 1060 since it's new and definitely better for 220 bucks.


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7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Hmm, and here I thought P= U*I. So if wattage is irrelevant, that means amperage is as well. Truly a big brain at work here.

And if you have 5mV Ripple or 500mV is irrelevant as well.

Its the Quality of the PSU that counts. The Wattage is indeed less relevant.

Especially if we are talking about "normal" Systems with "normal" CPUs and there we don't have no 200W TDP for the CPU or 300W TDP for the GPU. That's high end regions.

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I'm not recommending a cheap-ass 500W, obviously adhering to some expected level of quality or use of an a-brand.

Yes, you do! Because EVGA for example is an "A-Brand" and you didn't specify any model, you just threw around a Wattage and get a "quality brand unit" - like EVGA!

But also Thermaltake, Seasonic and basically everyone.

Corsair and be quiet less so.

Even an "A-Brand" has some group regulated stuff with those shitty 8pin protection IC -> no OCP on any rail, often no UVP on 12V. And OTP you also don't find on every unit...

 

And you wouldn't want that in a PC!

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

And between A-brands, the amount of amperage can differ on the 12V rails. Like using multi-rails, or single rails. Having either the full 33A or merely 30A (360W) for example. 

...wich is why I said that Quality of the PSU is relevant and not the wattage...


Would you rather have a ~600W "A-Brand" PSU that regulates the 12V and 5V together, doesn't come with OTP, UVP on 12V, OCP on any rail??

Would you rather pay 65€ for that because its "an A-Brand" and fully modular?


Or would you rather get a Bitfenix Formula with 450W for the same price?

or a 400W be quiet Pure Power 11 400W for 15€ less or the 500W for 7€ less...

I'd always take the Formula or Pure Power any second and not hte "A-Brand" with Japanese Caps that has shitty voltage regulation due to Group Regulation and

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

The reason I said 500W is three-fold. A. because system power consumption with this card is pretty close to 400W.

And what's the Test System?!

It looks like its:

"Our test system is the usual GPU bench that includes a Core i9-9900K clocked at 5 GHz with 32GB of DDR4-3200 memory..."

They don't seem to mention that in the Video but on their Website they mentioned it.

And even with that, a good PSU is rated at 100% load at rather high Ambient temperatures.

With a normal, non overclocked system, you can subtract 100-150W from that as that CPU can be up to 250W or even more...

 

With that said:
I modded my Bitfenix Formula 450W (bridged the 3rd and 4th Rail so that I have two for PCIe) and used THAT with a VEGA64. And no Problemo.

Why should it?

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

B, if you have an a-brand 500W, there is more tolerance that can be had on the amount they opted to go for on the 12V rails. They could have gone for the full 42A, but also much lower like 35A. Or even multi-rail setups. Unless you already know about how these platforms are built-up, it's safer to pick a decent grade 500W. You can't expect any layperson so understand electronics, and you're only making it harder on everyone with this elitist attitude. 

No, because YOU are basically recommending Thermaltake Smart TR2-S, Smart RGB, EVGA W1, EVGA N1, W1, Seasonic S12II-Bronze and other buttom of the Barrel "A-Brand" shit nobody should even think about.


That is why you don't just throw around a wattage and brands. Especially not the x00W ones as they more often house shit. Be quiet are the only ones out of my head that have good x00W units.

And its getting worse with anything between the x00W and the x50W.

Here and there there are OK ones, others are just shit...

 

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

C, the 500W are usually cheaper, because they ship larger volume (most people err on the side of caution). Or at the least, not much different. This is only truely an interesting argument/scenario for OEM's shipping large quantities of units. That by shaving off a few $ it is multiplied over all sales. 

That depends on the Situation and so on.

You just generalized and threw around Wattage and "go for a Brand Product", not seeing that the "Brand products" can be shit as well

 

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Don't tell me to not say something if these are your arguments

I'm telling you to stop throwing around "go for xx Wattage for "A-Brand". That's just bullshit and means you just recommended an EVGA N1-750W instead of a qualtiy 450W like Corsair CX, bitfenix Formula, or 400W be quiet System 9 or Pure Power 11.

That was my point.

 

That is why the Tier List made by @LukeSavenije, @LienusLateTips exist. Because not all PSU are equal.

Because "Named Brands" sell shit or even utter garbage. 


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580 has slightly better performance and is cheaper. It is generally the better option, but a 1060 is not bad. For around that cost though you can get a 1660 so that might be better

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So after reaserching and watching videos and you guys giving me input, I decided, I didn't need the power of the 580 cuz the most I'm going to play at would be 1080. So The latest video from JaytwoCents got me looking into the 570 and ended up ordering the Rx 570 Red Devil. Based on his benchmarks, it should be plenty to play GTAV and Ark and PUBG (If I ever get internet) and such. Thank you all for your input and help, it helped me not rush into the decision and get something I more expensive than I needed. Got it for around $140 after taxes!  Woot woot.

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2 hours ago, GtfoDragon57 said:

So after reaserching and watching videos and you guys giving me input, I decided, I didn't need the power of the 580 cuz the most I'm going to play at would be 1080. So The latest video from JaytwoCents got me looking into the 570 and ended up ordering the Rx 570 Red Devil. Based on his benchmarks, it should be plenty to play GTAV and Ark and PUBG (If I ever get internet) and such. Thank you all for your input and help, it helped me not rush into the decision and get something I more expensive than I needed. Got it for around $140 after taxes!  Woot woot.

Good choice man. The RX 570 is almost impossible to beat for the price.


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13 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Nice.

Did you get the good 8GiB Version or the not so good 4GiB Version?

Made sure to get the 8gb version lol. Wanted to make sure I had plenty of VRam!

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So... I got the card in today. Got it in my machine... reran a few wires to try and get better air flow and I'm getting a message saying "current bios settings do not fully support boot device." I've tried changing the cms from ENABLE to auto and back and still get the same message... any suggestions?

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On 4/27/2019 at 6:29 PM, Stefan Payne said:

Its wrong to generalize on Wattage because of a single, really low end 620W PSU.

 I proven you wrong with my two 7970GHz/280X.

 

Your PSU is made by Seasonc, based on the S12II-Bronze basis, wich was modified for Antec and got a better Protection IC but that doesn't really make it much better as voltage regulation is pretty bad as well:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/3/#abschnitt_spannungsregulation


XFX (zweite Revision) is the Seasonic S12II Bronze variant...

What did I generalize?

Proven me wrong about what?

 

Regarding the 2 cards not running my 620W I have stated an instance and generalized nothing.

 

Regarding the recommendation for more power delivery inputs, I have generalized but I see no counter argument.


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