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Like all youtuber's and people who specialise in a field, the general public are going to find issue with some things they say, especially if it is contrary to their personal feelings on the matter.
 
Apple do somethings right (it seems Louis is happy to promote that), and sometimes they do things that hare not right (Louis points that out too).  If you think he is only right when he says good things, or only right when he says bad things then you have not been paying attention.    This is not to say is is omnipotent, but that any errors he makes will be on both sides of your emotional response, not just the side that you disagree with.

yes he bashes them, but he's not delusional when they do something right. he's regularly praised Apple for some of the things they do.

Summary: Ubuntu recently announced to be dropping 32bit library support in the upcoming versions starting from 19.10 as already discussed in this forum  
 
On a tweet, a Valve developer contrary to what was known before, they were working with Ubuntu to eventually release a compatibility library in their runtime, said:

And valve is not the only one being so harsh to Ubuntu, even CodeWeavers, the company behind Wine the Windows emulator, which mainly supports 32bit only, said they were not going to build for Ubuntu and make a compatibility layer because of inconsistencies with the different 64bit system libraries that would make 
 
My opinion: As I already addressed in the previous thread, even if basically no one understood what I meant and why I was so skeptical about this, I expected this to be happening.
 
The Linux world has already issues on their own for desktops and since it depends on windows especially for gaming, and Microsoft is not going to drop 32bit anytime soon, I was almost sure this would hurt.
 
I was also being told Windows installers have a LOT of 32 bit dependencies generally.
 
As neither Wine or Steam is going to officially support Ubuntu, it's all in the hand of the community to do (or not) something about, that would probably take a reasonable amount of time causing harm to users. For some people not using Ubuntu is not an alternative.
 
Ubuntu is the most supported distros at all, and seeing those big giants dropping support for it is certainly not good, this fragmentation is not going to help at all, I would like to be optimistic like the folks in the previous thread but we'll just see what will happen in the future I guess. I highly doubt since I'm present and interested basically all development groups related to gaming, the resources are actually focused on other things which tbh really matter.
 
LTS would also not be the solution to everyone, as new graphics card are going to be out soon, the support on it is not going to be backported to the LTS soon and means most likely they won't even boot.
 
Same applies on laptops, and Ubuntu is the main supported distro by NVIDIA for easily switch between graphics card in Optimus laptops. And it's the only way to get Vulkan to work on Optimus since Bumblebee doesn't officially support Vulkan, and it's old and pretty much buggy (it's the solution present on Manjaro)
 
I also think generally is ok telling people to stop shipping 32bit dependencies on their programs, but Linux is not ready to this,
making life harder to developers and consumers, is not widespread on desktop as it deserves to be and is should be the last one to be dropping support for it, especially since I already said depends on Windows.
 
Like it or not, this is going to create problems and would be again behind Windows as an alternative before this situation would be improved, and considering the 19.10 release its only a matter of 3 months, time will just tell us.
 
Creating a solution in this case for a thirst party as I already said in another threads, is a cost which requires funding for storage and build farms, for only basic support
 
I don't think 3 months are enough honestly.
 
Also, this is not simple as it looks to address making less issues to users.
 
EDIT: I also forgot that programs cannot just ship their own Mesa drivers, as having different 32/64 bit drivers can lead to ABI break (probably) but I'm almost certainly sure it's the case for NVIDIA drivers, as they are not Mesa and use a different libGL from open source drivers...
Source: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Nope, it's not just 32bit support, it's 32bit support on 64bit called Multiarch, WoW64 on Windows
 
Yeah pretty much my thought, but this should be happen only when Windows does this first as Steam Play focuses on Windows gaming and it's pretty common to find 32bit dependencies 
 
Also, 64bit only wine is useless... The amount of windows programs working without 32bit deps is very small, also some winetricks and net 2 requires 32bit as well

Nope, it's not just 32bit support, it's 32bit support on 64bit called Multiarch, WoW64 on Windows
 
Yeah pretty much my thought, but this should be happen only when Windows does this first as Steam Play focuses on Windows gaming and it's pretty common to find 32bit dependencies 
 
Also, 64bit only wine is useless... The amount of windows programs working without 32bit deps is very small, also some winetricks and net 2 requires 32bit as well

Summary: Ubuntu recently announced to be dropping 32bit library support in the upcoming versions starting from 19.10 as already discussed in this forum  
 
On a tweet, a Valve developer contrary to what was known before, they were working with Ubuntu to eventually release a compatibility library in their runtime, said:

And valve is not the only one being so harsh to Ubuntu, even CodeWeavers, the company behind Wine the Windows emulator, which mainly supports 32bit only, said they were not going to build for Ubuntu and make a compatibility layer because of inconsistencies with the different 64bit system libraries that would make 
 
My opinion: As I already addressed in the previous thread, even if basically no one understood what I meant and why I was so skeptical about this, I expected this to be happening.
 
The Linux world has already issues on their own for desktops and since it depends on windows especially for gaming, and Microsoft is not going to drop 32bit anytime soon, I was almost sure this would hurt.
 
I was also being told Windows installers have a LOT of 32 bit dependencies generally.
 
As neither Wine or Steam is going to officially support Ubuntu, it's all in the hand of the community to do (or not) something about, that would probably take a reasonable amount of time causing harm to users. For some people not using Ubuntu is not an alternative.
 
Ubuntu is the most supported distros at all, and seeing those big giants dropping support for it is certainly not good, this fragmentation is not going to help at all, I would like to be optimistic like the folks in the previous thread but we'll just see what will happen in the future I guess. I highly doubt since I'm present and interested basically all development groups related to gaming, the resources are actually focused on other things which tbh really matter.
 
LTS would also not be the solution to everyone, as new graphics card are going to be out soon, the support on it is not going to be backported to the LTS soon and means most likely they won't even boot.
 
Same applies on laptops, and Ubuntu is the main supported distro by NVIDIA for easily switch between graphics card in Optimus laptops. And it's the only way to get Vulkan to work on Optimus since Bumblebee doesn't officially support Vulkan, and it's old and pretty much buggy (it's the solution present on Manjaro)
 
I also think generally is ok telling people to stop shipping 32bit dependencies on their programs, but Linux is not ready to this,
making life harder to developers and consumers, is not widespread on desktop as it deserves to be and is should be the last one to be dropping support for it, especially since I already said depends on Windows.
 
Like it or not, this is going to create problems and would be again behind Windows as an alternative before this situation would be improved, and considering the 19.10 release its only a matter of 3 months, time will just tell us.
 
Creating a solution in this case for a thirst party as I already said in another threads, is a cost which requires funding for storage and build farms, for only basic support
 
I don't think 3 months are enough honestly.
 
Also, this is not simple as it looks to address making less issues to users.
 
EDIT: I also forgot that programs cannot just ship their own Mesa drivers, as having different 32/64 bit drivers can lead to ABI break (probably) but I'm almost certainly sure it's the case for NVIDIA drivers, as they are not Mesa and use a different libGL from open source drivers...
Source: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Summary: Ubuntu recently announced to be dropping 32bit library support in the upcoming versions starting from 19.10 as already discussed in this forum  
 
On a tweet, a Valve developer contrary to what was known before, they were working with Ubuntu to eventually release a compatibility library in their runtime, said:

And valve is not the only one being so harsh to Ubuntu, even CodeWeavers, the company behind Wine the Windows emulator, which mainly supports 32bit only, said they were not going to build for Ubuntu and make a compatibility layer because of inconsistencies with the different 64bit system libraries that would make 
 
My opinion: As I already addressed in the previous thread, even if basically no one understood what I meant and why I was so skeptical about this, I expected this to be happening.
 
The Linux world has already issues on their own for desktops and since it depends on windows especially for gaming, and Microsoft is not going to drop 32bit anytime soon, I was almost sure this would hurt.
 
I was also being told Windows installers have a LOT of 32 bit dependencies generally.
 
As neither Wine or Steam is going to officially support Ubuntu, it's all in the hand of the community to do (or not) something about, that would probably take a reasonable amount of time causing harm to users. For some people not using Ubuntu is not an alternative.
 
Ubuntu is the most supported distros at all, and seeing those big giants dropping support for it is certainly not good, this fragmentation is not going to help at all, I would like to be optimistic like the folks in the previous thread but we'll just see what will happen in the future I guess. I highly doubt since I'm present and interested basically all development groups related to gaming, the resources are actually focused on other things which tbh really matter.
 
LTS would also not be the solution to everyone, as new graphics card are going to be out soon, the support on it is not going to be backported to the LTS soon and means most likely they won't even boot.
 
Same applies on laptops, and Ubuntu is the main supported distro by NVIDIA for easily switch between graphics card in Optimus laptops. And it's the only way to get Vulkan to work on Optimus since Bumblebee doesn't officially support Vulkan, and it's old and pretty much buggy (it's the solution present on Manjaro)
 
I also think generally is ok telling people to stop shipping 32bit dependencies on their programs, but Linux is not ready to this,
making life harder to developers and consumers, is not widespread on desktop as it deserves to be and is should be the last one to be dropping support for it, especially since I already said depends on Windows.
 
Like it or not, this is going to create problems and would be again behind Windows as an alternative before this situation would be improved, and considering the 19.10 release its only a matter of 3 months, time will just tell us.
 
Creating a solution in this case for a thirst party as I already said in another threads, is a cost which requires funding for storage and build farms, for only basic support
 
I don't think 3 months are enough honestly.
 
Also, this is not simple as it looks to address making less issues to users.
 
EDIT: I also forgot that programs cannot just ship their own Mesa drivers, as having different 32/64 bit drivers can lead to ABI break (probably) but I'm almost certainly sure it's the case for NVIDIA drivers, as they are not Mesa and use a different libGL from open source drivers...
Source: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Summary: Ubuntu recently announced to be dropping 32bit library support in the upcoming versions starting from 19.10 as already discussed in this forum  
 
On a tweet, a Valve developer contrary to what was known before, they were working with Ubuntu to eventually release a compatibility library in their runtime, said:

And valve is not the only one being so harsh to Ubuntu, even CodeWeavers, the company behind Wine the Windows emulator, which mainly supports 32bit only, said they were not going to build for Ubuntu and make a compatibility layer because of inconsistencies with the different 64bit system libraries that would make 
 
My opinion: As I already addressed in the previous thread, even if basically no one understood what I meant and why I was so skeptical about this, I expected this to be happening.
 
The Linux world has already issues on their own for desktops and since it depends on windows especially for gaming, and Microsoft is not going to drop 32bit anytime soon, I was almost sure this would hurt.
 
I was also being told Windows installers have a LOT of 32 bit dependencies generally.
 
As neither Wine or Steam is going to officially support Ubuntu, it's all in the hand of the community to do (or not) something about, that would probably take a reasonable amount of time causing harm to users. For some people not using Ubuntu is not an alternative.
 
Ubuntu is the most supported distros at all, and seeing those big giants dropping support for it is certainly not good, this fragmentation is not going to help at all, I would like to be optimistic like the folks in the previous thread but we'll just see what will happen in the future I guess. I highly doubt since I'm present and interested basically all development groups related to gaming, the resources are actually focused on other things which tbh really matter.
 
LTS would also not be the solution to everyone, as new graphics card are going to be out soon, the support on it is not going to be backported to the LTS soon and means most likely they won't even boot.
 
Same applies on laptops, and Ubuntu is the main supported distro by NVIDIA for easily switch between graphics card in Optimus laptops. And it's the only way to get Vulkan to work on Optimus since Bumblebee doesn't officially support Vulkan, and it's old and pretty much buggy (it's the solution present on Manjaro)
 
I also think generally is ok telling people to stop shipping 32bit dependencies on their programs, but Linux is not ready to this,
making life harder to developers and consumers, is not widespread on desktop as it deserves to be and is should be the last one to be dropping support for it, especially since I already said depends on Windows.
 
Like it or not, this is going to create problems and would be again behind Windows as an alternative before this situation would be improved, and considering the 19.10 release its only a matter of 3 months, time will just tell us.
 
Creating a solution in this case for a thirst party as I already said in another threads, is a cost which requires funding for storage and build farms, for only basic support
 
I don't think 3 months are enough honestly.
 
Also, this is not simple as it looks to address making less issues to users.
 
EDIT: I also forgot that programs cannot just ship their own Mesa drivers, as having different 32/64 bit drivers can lead to ABI break (probably) but I'm almost certainly sure it's the case for NVIDIA drivers, as they are not Mesa and use a different libGL from open source drivers...
Source: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Because the 32bit libraries are becoming obsolete. They don't get updates as quickly and support in the toolchains have gotten more and more rare.
You basically have to go out of your way to make it 32bit using standard GNU/Linux tools these days.
 
The reason why developers should "waste their time" is because it keeps their users safe by not relying on libraries which doesn't get as much attention as the 64bit counterparts, and because we have slowly been moving towards 64bit-only ecosystems for quite a while now. It's something that will happen sooner or later.
 
 
That's the one thing that might be affected by this change.
Outdated programs which are no longer in development, and that doesn't bundle the necessary libraries themselves. But like Canonical said, Valve might include a container with 32bit support. Games is probably the biggest group of applications that might be affected by this since they re usually closed source, not developed with GNU/Linux in mind, and a lot of them are no longer in development.
 
 
Nope, not really. Seems to me like it's mostly a move to get people to focus on 64bit applications and get rid of a lot of work maintaining 32bit support. Making an optional package to download would defeat that purpose.

Intro: Just when you thought Linux could become a decent alternative to Windows, even on gaming, here comes the bad news to one of the most used Linux distributions.
Canonical just announced they could drop 32bit multiarch support in the Ubuntu 19.10 release.

This will affect all ubuntu-based distros like Linux mint and PopOS unless they start shipping their own libraries, which is really a tough work and needs a creation of another repository not dependant on the Ubuntu one, so far no distribution had an huge alternative repository.

This is not about 32 bit only support, that just happened 3 years ago when they stopped releasing the 32-bit only isos. 
I am talking about Multiarch support, which is worse.
 
They will stop supporting 32bit libraries/drivers and programs.
it's like Microsoft announced they dropped support for WoW64, but still it's even worse because of Linux sotfware management, libraries are shipped from the OS most of the time.

What will happen next?:

Without any changes, programs like:
- Steam itself with Steam Proton especially.
- 32 bit linux native games
- Wine/Windows 32 bit games, and programs 
- Lutris/DXVK 32 bit games support.
- 32 bit drivers (needed for 32 bit games and programs)

Will just stop working unless they will ship their own libraries somehow.

Summary:

And especially this

What it's known:
They have in mind to collaborate with Valve in order to steam to continue working by shipping in their Steam Linux Runtime, even the 32 bit libraries. 
But imo this is still not acceptable, Steam is not the only thing that will cause trouble.

My opinion:
It's unacceptable. This is not what the Linux users need, not even what people who want to switch to Linux needs to hear. Where the actual **** do they see i386 as being 1% of the ubuntu install base? They probably do not even know games exist at all. Or important legacy 32 bit apps.
it will just complicate things even more when it's not necessary. The package management system on Linux distribution will just complicate this since it's the main source of the system libraries at all, unlike other operating systems.
Seem they just said "Oh you want to play games? Sorry, you can try Windows or MacOS.

Canonical once again really seem to not care about the end user at all;
Imagine if something like this would happen on operating systems like Windows or MacOS, all the legacy 32-bit applications would just stop working unless direct user intervention, it's a nightmare. I'm considering moving to Manjaro or removing my Linux install in favour of Windows (There are still programs like OOSU which let's me disable all the bloatware here and have a bit of control like I have on Linux) 

And i have not even talked about Wine, this will break Wine completely since the majority of Wine programs who run just fine are 32-bit only, this will break legacy applications that are still needed to be used and especially 32 bit games, even if they manage to ship the 32 bit libraries in their steam runtime, that means any driver/library update will rely exclusively on the steam runtime.

That means for 64bit you will be using the 64bit vulkan ubuntu driver for example, and for 32 bit a presumably older vulkan driver shipped by Valve.

Wine/Codeweavers worked hard in order to get legacy 32bit support for some important legacy applications in systems like MacOS and Linux, this will just make this harder for the end user.
Funny enough they say Wine64 will just work fine as the Wine32 version.

What will really happen?:
The community is really on fire right now, I don't know if this is going to be true at all, but it looks like it.

It's really an insane choice, for the ones who know the gravity of the situation 


Sources: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/c24gpk/i386_architecture_will_be_dropped_starting_with/
 
 
EDIT: Looks like Valve is going to end official support for Ubuntu starting from the 19.10 version. Maybe Manjaro?
SteamOS reborn?
 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

It's different, ubuntu dropped support for 32 bit only installations years ago already, but this time is for multilib support 

In Windows even on 64 bit versions, there is still WoW64 (Windows 32 on Windows 64) support, a lot of modern applications currently running are using 32 bit libraries for some unknown reasons. But also legacy applications would require 32 bit support. This will likely cut support on Linux with Wine and 32 bit apps

Canonical/Ubuntu is not a big player like Microsoft, if microsoft deprecated WoW64 as well, probably this situation on Ubuntu would be a bit better to solve

I can just name a bunch by just opening the task manager like telegram desktop, discord, msi afterburner, rtss, and onedrive are currently running on 32 bit on my system

I made this
 

Every file/folder on UNIX has an user:group permission set, but can also have a single user or a single group
For example

-rw-r--r-- 1 foo:bar FOLDER1 tells us that FOLDER1 belongs to foo(user):bar(group)
let's say in /etc/group you got this
 
bar:x:1:user1,user2,user3

those 3 users belonging to the bar group can has the overall group permission

depending on the SECOND permission set you got on that file, you have only the r as you can see in the second file permission, -rw-r--r-- means the group you specified can only read access

So, TL;DR
that file/folder you want to give access to the guest group you need to "sudo chown *user*:guest *filename*" and then you need to set the second permission set with chmod

Intro: Just when you thought Linux could become a decent alternative to Windows, even on gaming, here comes the bad news to one of the most used Linux distributions.
Canonical just announced they could drop 32bit multiarch support in the Ubuntu 19.10 release.

This will affect all ubuntu-based distros like Linux mint and PopOS unless they start shipping their own libraries, which is really a tough work and needs a creation of another repository not dependant on the Ubuntu one, so far no distribution had an huge alternative repository.

This is not about 32 bit only support, that just happened 3 years ago when they stopped releasing the 32-bit only isos. 
I am talking about Multiarch support, which is worse.
 
They will stop supporting 32bit libraries/drivers and programs.
it's like Microsoft announced they dropped support for WoW64, but still it's even worse because of Linux sotfware management, libraries are shipped from the OS most of the time.

What will happen next?:

Without any changes, programs like:
- Steam itself with Steam Proton especially.
- 32 bit linux native games
- Wine/Windows 32 bit games, and programs 
- Lutris/DXVK 32 bit games support.
- 32 bit drivers (needed for 32 bit games and programs)

Will just stop working unless they will ship their own libraries somehow.

Summary:

And especially this

What it's known:
They have in mind to collaborate with Valve in order to steam to continue working by shipping in their Steam Linux Runtime, even the 32 bit libraries. 
But imo this is still not acceptable, Steam is not the only thing that will cause trouble.

My opinion:
It's unacceptable. This is not what the Linux users need, not even what people who want to switch to Linux needs to hear. Where the actual **** do they see i386 as being 1% of the ubuntu install base? They probably do not even know games exist at all. Or important legacy 32 bit apps.
it will just complicate things even more when it's not necessary. The package management system on Linux distribution will just complicate this since it's the main source of the system libraries at all, unlike other operating systems.
Seem they just said "Oh you want to play games? Sorry, you can try Windows or MacOS.

Canonical once again really seem to not care about the end user at all;
Imagine if something like this would happen on operating systems like Windows or MacOS, all the legacy 32-bit applications would just stop working unless direct user intervention, it's a nightmare. I'm considering moving to Manjaro or removing my Linux install in favour of Windows (There are still programs like OOSU which let's me disable all the bloatware here and have a bit of control like I have on Linux) 

And i have not even talked about Wine, this will break Wine completely since the majority of Wine programs who run just fine are 32-bit only, this will break legacy applications that are still needed to be used and especially 32 bit games, even if they manage to ship the 32 bit libraries in their steam runtime, that means any driver/library update will rely exclusively on the steam runtime.

That means for 64bit you will be using the 64bit vulkan ubuntu driver for example, and for 32 bit a presumably older vulkan driver shipped by Valve.

Wine/Codeweavers worked hard in order to get legacy 32bit support for some important legacy applications in systems like MacOS and Linux, this will just make this harder for the end user.
Funny enough they say Wine64 will just work fine as the Wine32 version.

What will really happen?:
The community is really on fire right now, I don't know if this is going to be true at all, but it looks like it.

It's really an insane choice, for the ones who know the gravity of the situation 


Sources: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/c24gpk/i386_architecture_will_be_dropped_starting_with/
 
 
EDIT: Looks like Valve is going to end official support for Ubuntu starting from the 19.10 version. Maybe Manjaro?
SteamOS reborn?
 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Intro: Just when you thought Linux could become a decent alternative to Windows, even on gaming, here comes the bad news to one of the most used Linux distributions.
Canonical just announced they could drop 32bit multiarch support in the Ubuntu 19.10 release.

This will affect all ubuntu-based distros like Linux mint and PopOS unless they start shipping their own libraries, which is really a tough work and needs a creation of another repository not dependant on the Ubuntu one, so far no distribution had an huge alternative repository.

This is not about 32 bit only support, that just happened 3 years ago when they stopped releasing the 32-bit only isos. 
I am talking about Multiarch support, which is worse.
 
They will stop supporting 32bit libraries/drivers and programs.
it's like Microsoft announced they dropped support for WoW64, but still it's even worse because of Linux sotfware management, libraries are shipped from the OS most of the time.

What will happen next?:

Without any changes, programs like:
- Steam itself with Steam Proton especially.
- 32 bit linux native games
- Wine/Windows 32 bit games, and programs 
- Lutris/DXVK 32 bit games support.
- 32 bit drivers (needed for 32 bit games and programs)

Will just stop working unless they will ship their own libraries somehow.

Summary:

And especially this

What it's known:
They have in mind to collaborate with Valve in order to steam to continue working by shipping in their Steam Linux Runtime, even the 32 bit libraries. 
But imo this is still not acceptable, Steam is not the only thing that will cause trouble.

My opinion:
It's unacceptable. This is not what the Linux users need, not even what people who want to switch to Linux needs to hear. Where the actual **** do they see i386 as being 1% of the ubuntu install base? They probably do not even know games exist at all. Or important legacy 32 bit apps.
it will just complicate things even more when it's not necessary. The package management system on Linux distribution will just complicate this since it's the main source of the system libraries at all, unlike other operating systems.
Seem they just said "Oh you want to play games? Sorry, you can try Windows or MacOS.

Canonical once again really seem to not care about the end user at all;
Imagine if something like this would happen on operating systems like Windows or MacOS, all the legacy 32-bit applications would just stop working unless direct user intervention, it's a nightmare. I'm considering moving to Manjaro or removing my Linux install in favour of Windows (There are still programs like OOSU which let's me disable all the bloatware here and have a bit of control like I have on Linux) 

And i have not even talked about Wine, this will break Wine completely since the majority of Wine programs who run just fine are 32-bit only, this will break legacy applications that are still needed to be used and especially 32 bit games, even if they manage to ship the 32 bit libraries in their steam runtime, that means any driver/library update will rely exclusively on the steam runtime.

That means for 64bit you will be using the 64bit vulkan ubuntu driver for example, and for 32 bit a presumably older vulkan driver shipped by Valve.

Wine/Codeweavers worked hard in order to get legacy 32bit support for some important legacy applications in systems like MacOS and Linux, this will just make this harder for the end user.
Funny enough they say Wine64 will just work fine as the Wine32 version.

What will really happen?:
The community is really on fire right now, I don't know if this is going to be true at all, but it looks like it.

It's really an insane choice, for the ones who know the gravity of the situation 


Sources: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/c24gpk/i386_architecture_will_be_dropped_starting_with/
 
 
EDIT: Looks like Valve is going to end official support for Ubuntu starting from the 19.10 version. Maybe Manjaro?
SteamOS reborn?
 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Intro: Just when you thought Linux could become a decent alternative to Windows, even on gaming, here comes the bad news to one of the most used Linux distributions.
Canonical just announced they could drop 32bit multiarch support in the Ubuntu 19.10 release.

This will affect all ubuntu-based distros like Linux mint and PopOS unless they start shipping their own libraries, which is really a tough work and needs a creation of another repository not dependant on the Ubuntu one, so far no distribution had an huge alternative repository.

This is not about 32 bit only support, that just happened 3 years ago when they stopped releasing the 32-bit only isos. 
I am talking about Multiarch support, which is worse.
 
They will stop supporting 32bit libraries/drivers and programs.
it's like Microsoft announced they dropped support for WoW64, but still it's even worse because of Linux sotfware management, libraries are shipped from the OS most of the time.

What will happen next?:

Without any changes, programs like:
- Steam itself with Steam Proton especially.
- 32 bit linux native games
- Wine/Windows 32 bit games, and programs 
- Lutris/DXVK 32 bit games support.
- 32 bit drivers (needed for 32 bit games and programs)

Will just stop working unless they will ship their own libraries somehow.

Summary:

And especially this

What it's known:
They have in mind to collaborate with Valve in order to steam to continue working by shipping in their Steam Linux Runtime, even the 32 bit libraries. 
But imo this is still not acceptable, Steam is not the only thing that will cause trouble.

My opinion:
It's unacceptable. This is not what the Linux users need, not even what people who want to switch to Linux needs to hear. Where the actual **** do they see i386 as being 1% of the ubuntu install base? They probably do not even know games exist at all. Or important legacy 32 bit apps.
it will just complicate things even more when it's not necessary. The package management system on Linux distribution will just complicate this since it's the main source of the system libraries at all, unlike other operating systems.
Seem they just said "Oh you want to play games? Sorry, you can try Windows or MacOS.

Canonical once again really seem to not care about the end user at all;
Imagine if something like this would happen on operating systems like Windows or MacOS, all the legacy 32-bit applications would just stop working unless direct user intervention, it's a nightmare. I'm considering moving to Manjaro or removing my Linux install in favour of Windows (There are still programs like OOSU which let's me disable all the bloatware here and have a bit of control like I have on Linux) 

And i have not even talked about Wine, this will break Wine completely since the majority of Wine programs who run just fine are 32-bit only, this will break legacy applications that are still needed to be used and especially 32 bit games, even if they manage to ship the 32 bit libraries in their steam runtime, that means any driver/library update will rely exclusively on the steam runtime.

That means for 64bit you will be using the 64bit vulkan ubuntu driver for example, and for 32 bit a presumably older vulkan driver shipped by Valve.

Wine/Codeweavers worked hard in order to get legacy 32bit support for some important legacy applications in systems like MacOS and Linux, this will just make this harder for the end user.
Funny enough they say Wine64 will just work fine as the Wine32 version.

What will really happen?:
The community is really on fire right now, I don't know if this is going to be true at all, but it looks like it.

It's really an insane choice, for the ones who know the gravity of the situation 


Sources: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/c24gpk/i386_architecture_will_be_dropped_starting_with/
 
 
EDIT: Looks like Valve is going to end official support for Ubuntu starting from the 19.10 version. Maybe Manjaro?
SteamOS reborn?
 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Apple probably thought that, they will be dropping 32 bit application in another way by still giving partial support to it via the OS.

Canonical just decided to not provide support at all, it's all in the hand of program developers to ship 32 bit libraries, it's definitely worse
And if I have to say, they decided that so suddenly without even asking the community

Apple probably thought that, they will be dropping 32 bit application in another way by still giving partial support to it via the OS.

Canonical just decided to not provide support at all, it's all in the hand of program developers to ship 32 bit libraries, it's definitely worse
And if I have to say, they decided that so suddenly without even asking the community

Intro: Just when you thought Linux could become a decent alternative to Windows, even on gaming, here comes the bad news to one of the most used Linux distributions.
Canonical just announced they could drop 32bit multiarch support in the Ubuntu 19.10 release.

This will affect all ubuntu-based distros like Linux mint and PopOS unless they start shipping their own libraries, which is really a tough work and needs a creation of another repository not dependant on the Ubuntu one, so far no distribution had an huge alternative repository.

This is not about 32 bit only support, that just happened 3 years ago when they stopped releasing the 32-bit only isos. 
I am talking about Multiarch support, which is worse.
 
They will stop supporting 32bit libraries/drivers and programs.
it's like Microsoft announced they dropped support for WoW64, but still it's even worse because of Linux sotfware management, libraries are shipped from the OS most of the time.

What will happen next?:

Without any changes, programs like:
- Steam itself with Steam Proton especially.
- 32 bit linux native games
- Wine/Windows 32 bit games, and programs 
- Lutris/DXVK 32 bit games support.
- 32 bit drivers (needed for 32 bit games and programs)

Will just stop working unless they will ship their own libraries somehow.

Summary:

And especially this

What it's known:
They have in mind to collaborate with Valve in order to steam to continue working by shipping in their Steam Linux Runtime, even the 32 bit libraries. 
But imo this is still not acceptable, Steam is not the only thing that will cause trouble.

My opinion:
It's unacceptable. This is not what the Linux users need, not even what people who want to switch to Linux needs to hear. Where the actual **** do they see i386 as being 1% of the ubuntu install base? They probably do not even know games exist at all. Or important legacy 32 bit apps.
it will just complicate things even more when it's not necessary. The package management system on Linux distribution will just complicate this since it's the main source of the system libraries at all, unlike other operating systems.
Seem they just said "Oh you want to play games? Sorry, you can try Windows or MacOS.

Canonical once again really seem to not care about the end user at all;
Imagine if something like this would happen on operating systems like Windows or MacOS, all the legacy 32-bit applications would just stop working unless direct user intervention, it's a nightmare. I'm considering moving to Manjaro or removing my Linux install in favour of Windows (There are still programs like OOSU which let's me disable all the bloatware here and have a bit of control like I have on Linux) 

And i have not even talked about Wine, this will break Wine completely since the majority of Wine programs who run just fine are 32-bit only, this will break legacy applications that are still needed to be used and especially 32 bit games, even if they manage to ship the 32 bit libraries in their steam runtime, that means any driver/library update will rely exclusively on the steam runtime.

That means for 64bit you will be using the 64bit vulkan ubuntu driver for example, and for 32 bit a presumably older vulkan driver shipped by Valve.

Wine/Codeweavers worked hard in order to get legacy 32bit support for some important legacy applications in systems like MacOS and Linux, this will just make this harder for the end user.
Funny enough they say Wine64 will just work fine as the Wine32 version.

What will really happen?:
The community is really on fire right now, I don't know if this is going to be true at all, but it looks like it.

It's really an insane choice, for the ones who know the gravity of the situation 


Sources: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/c24gpk/i386_architecture_will_be_dropped_starting_with/
 
 
EDIT: Looks like Valve is going to end official support for Ubuntu starting from the 19.10 version. Maybe Manjaro?
SteamOS reborn?
 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Intro: Just when you thought Linux could become a decent alternative to Windows, even on gaming, here comes the bad news to one of the most used Linux distributions.
Canonical just announced they could drop 32bit multiarch support in the Ubuntu 19.10 release.

This will affect all ubuntu-based distros like Linux mint and PopOS unless they start shipping their own libraries, which is really a tough work and needs a creation of another repository not dependant on the Ubuntu one, so far no distribution had an huge alternative repository.

This is not about 32 bit only support, that just happened 3 years ago when they stopped releasing the 32-bit only isos. 
I am talking about Multiarch support, which is worse.
 
They will stop supporting 32bit libraries/drivers and programs.
it's like Microsoft announced they dropped support for WoW64, but still it's even worse because of Linux sotfware management, libraries are shipped from the OS most of the time.

What will happen next?:

Without any changes, programs like:
- Steam itself with Steam Proton especially.
- 32 bit linux native games
- Wine/Windows 32 bit games, and programs 
- Lutris/DXVK 32 bit games support.
- 32 bit drivers (needed for 32 bit games and programs)

Will just stop working unless they will ship their own libraries somehow.

Summary:

And especially this

What it's known:
They have in mind to collaborate with Valve in order to steam to continue working by shipping in their Steam Linux Runtime, even the 32 bit libraries. 
But imo this is still not acceptable, Steam is not the only thing that will cause trouble.

My opinion:
It's unacceptable. This is not what the Linux users need, not even what people who want to switch to Linux needs to hear. Where the actual **** do they see i386 as being 1% of the ubuntu install base? They probably do not even know games exist at all. Or important legacy 32 bit apps.
it will just complicate things even more when it's not necessary. The package management system on Linux distribution will just complicate this since it's the main source of the system libraries at all, unlike other operating systems.
Seem they just said "Oh you want to play games? Sorry, you can try Windows or MacOS.

Canonical once again really seem to not care about the end user at all;
Imagine if something like this would happen on operating systems like Windows or MacOS, all the legacy 32-bit applications would just stop working unless direct user intervention, it's a nightmare. I'm considering moving to Manjaro or removing my Linux install in favour of Windows (There are still programs like OOSU which let's me disable all the bloatware here and have a bit of control like I have on Linux) 

And i have not even talked about Wine, this will break Wine completely since the majority of Wine programs who run just fine are 32-bit only, this will break legacy applications that are still needed to be used and especially 32 bit games, even if they manage to ship the 32 bit libraries in their steam runtime, that means any driver/library update will rely exclusively on the steam runtime.

That means for 64bit you will be using the 64bit vulkan ubuntu driver for example, and for 32 bit a presumably older vulkan driver shipped by Valve.

Wine/Codeweavers worked hard in order to get legacy 32bit support for some important legacy applications in systems like MacOS and Linux, this will just make this harder for the end user.
Funny enough they say Wine64 will just work fine as the Wine32 version.

What will really happen?:
The community is really on fire right now, I don't know if this is going to be true at all, but it looks like it.

It's really an insane choice, for the ones who know the gravity of the situation 


Sources: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/c24gpk/i386_architecture_will_be_dropped_starting_with/
 
 
EDIT: Looks like Valve is going to end official support for Ubuntu starting from the 19.10 version. Maybe Manjaro?
SteamOS reborn?
 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu

Ugh..... Xubuntu

Not supposed to. 
Tech Quickie are 3-6 minute informational videos about the OVERVIEW of a topic. 
If you want more information about the topic, you can google it after you watch the video.
 
imo, video does it's intended job. 

Time to remind everybody that you use Linux!
On a more serious note, ouch. Good that it's patched, but ouch.

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That's actually an improvement regardless of the license