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I think it'll be alright with that Intel Xeon E3110 you've got there, it'll be a boost, but don't expect to play GTA 5 with that.
 
I used to have a GT 710 paired with an i5-650 and it ran CSGO at 60fps lowest settings, it's not the best card but it's a little boost from integrated.

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/n4xbcY
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/n4xbcY/by_merchant/
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (€184.66 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler  (€29.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€200.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€141.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€166.08 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AORUS Video Card  (€574.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€87.10 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€93.78 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1479.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-02 14:01 CEST+0200
 
I made this list real quick, features a Ryzen 5 2600, GTX 1070, X470 motherboard, 16GB of memory, an NVMe M.2 SSD, Arctic Freezer 33 eSports One, CX750M PSU, all inside an NZXT H500.

There's probably a bunch from BenQ Zowie, plenty of CSGO pros such as s1mple use a Zowie if I remember correctly.
 
That's a contradictory statement.

The H7QL performs a bit better than the H7 due to an additional heatpipe and has a slightly different fin stack. The extra fan on the H7 Plus probably closes the gap in performance.
The ML240L performs the best out of the coolers mentioned but it's also the noisiest by far and least reliable being a liquid cooler with a pump. The DR4 is the next best performer and is the quietest of the coolers mentioned.
Why are you looking at these coolers in particular? What case and ram are you using? Where are you shopping / located? Budget?

Its lego for adults. Cant really go wrong ..unless you watch the verge tutorial

Welcome to my build log of my brother's custom PC!
This is my brother's first ever custom PC, built on September 27th.
 

 
My case of choice for my brother's new build is the DeepCool Frame, it's a standard £25 case that tries to cut you at every edge, but it's compact, light, spacious, and looked simple to work in, so this is what I chose for him.
 
First is to pop off the side panels to reveal a cluster of cables and a drive cage, which I know I'll never use. The front has a 120mm fan space while the back supports 80mm and 90mm fans. I had neither, so moving on.
 
Case prep was easy enough, taking off the PCI slot covers, side panels, and leaving only what was tied to the case's skeleton.
 

 

 
Next is the motherboard. I chose the ASRock B450-M Pro4, it was a reliable, solid-looking motherboard that was highly recommended, so it's what I went with.
 
The CPU of choice is the AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with its AMD Radeon Vega 8 graphics. It fell right into the budget of £300 nicely.
 
The RAM of choice is the Patriot Viper 4, it's rated for 3000MHz and had nice price-to-performance being £77 at the time of purchase.
 

 
As for the cooler, we stuck to our guns with the stock AMD Wraith cooler, it's simple and does the job, so there was no reason to spend extra for an aftermarket one.
 
I let my brother apply the thermal compound as well as installing the cooler itself, I monitored him and the cooler carefully. Spoilter: I failed.
 

 

 
Here's the part where it got slightly hectic.
 
Back when my brother and I were deciding on parts - actually that was 90% me anyway - we didn't have enough budget for a storage device so we assumed we could use the old HDD from his old PC... No, no we couldn't. That HDD was on tight.
 
So I begged my dad to drive me around town and hop to computer stores everywhere searching for some form of storage device. This began at 4PM.
 
I eventually found a 240GB Integral V2 SSD that I bought for £60, and hurried on home.
 

 
I landed back home at 6:30PM.
 

 
I learnt where the SSD was meant to go, and so I installed it easily, and connected up the required power and SATA cables.
 

 
So, with everything in order, I got the build up and running through my monitor, installed Windows 10, and got to the Windows screen.
 
At this point, this is what the build looks like right now. It's a spaghetti mess up front, but that's all I could due to the non-modular PSU that is the be quiet! Pure Power 10.
 

 
I opened up Task Manager, expanded the view, and behold, the Ryzen 2200G is on screen and we're set.
 

 
I also made sure in the BIOS that everything was working and detected, and yes, it all checks out. I later changed the RAM speed to 3000 from the 2133 as shown.
 

 

 
As it turns out, the 2200G was getting unusually hot, that I rushed back here to confirm that my temperatures were abnormal:
 
Of course, I stopped the system, and my beliefs were true. My brother did in fact not screw the cooler in enough and as a result, the IHS didn't make any contact with the cooler.
I redid the cooler, as per protocol.
 

 

 
The finale is the big boss, the Cinebench test for the temperatures. The temperatures speak for themselves.
 

 
Overall, I am happy with how this build turned out. It took us a grand total of five hours not including the quest to find a storage device. My brother will be sure to enjoy this new PC for his gaming sessions, and the total cost of £373.02.  
 

 
My brother officially now has a GTX 1050 Ti inside his PC! It's a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB single fan model, bought for £150.
Relatively straight-forward, slotting the GPU into the PCIE slot, an install of drivers, and it was up!
 

 

 

 
My brother decided to buy a new storage drive since he's already filled up hos 250GB Integral V2 SSD, and so he bought a 240GB Kingston A400 SSD!
 

 
He now has a 250GB Integral V2 SSD and a 240GB Kingston A400 SSD inside his system, totalling to 490GB (where 460GB is useable) in his PC.
 

There's probably a bunch from BenQ Zowie, plenty of CSGO pros such as s1mple use a Zowie if I remember correctly.
 
That's a contradictory statement.

There's probably a bunch from BenQ Zowie, plenty of CSGO pros such as s1mple use a Zowie if I remember correctly.
 
That's a contradictory statement.

Lisa Su is resting in an armchair sipping on whiskey right now reading the article.

This office chair I saw on Amazon UK looks like a solid choice, it's also Amazon's Choice too.

This office chair I saw on Amazon UK looks like a solid choice, it's also Amazon's Choice too.

So I've actually built 3 Systems for friends within the last 2 months (or rather helped 3 friends build systems) but havent done build logs on any in a while. That changes today.
 
 
 
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive   
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive   
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8GB NITRO+ Special Edition Video Card   
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H18 Tempered Glass MicroATX Mini Tower Case  
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus - PCE-AC55BT B1 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter   
Other: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2800 (PC4 22400)  
Total: $798.23 (Note the price is of 9/21 when the parts were placed on order)
 
The CPU cooler and fans were gifted by me. I'm not a fan that the 2600 now uses the Wraith stealth whereas the 1600 used the Wraith Spire...
 
As always I have my friends do as much as possible with the system (They install the CPU, RAM, Cooler, GPU, Etc. so they can say they did it and not that someone built it for them)

Here we can see my friend installing her first CPU and cooler as her boyfriend gawks at the whole process (he did help a little bit, he's gonna build his own one day I can tell) Normally I would choose the Cryorig H7 but this time I  decided to use the Arctic Freezer 33 Esports one cooler to compare. More on that later. It was also at this point that I switched up my camera aspect ratio, so no more stupidly long photos  
 

Cooler was a relatively easy install. I was at first annoyed but later appreciative that the cooler came with no paper manual, making less waste overall. Arctic provided their brand name MX-4 thermalpaste which is generally regarded as good paste and stuff I've used in the past. The Team Group DDR4 2800mhz ( I know it's a weird speed, it was the cheapest at the time at $70) also looks good against the AsRock motherboard and had 0 issue hitting it's XMP overclocked speed.
 
Now we get to the sexiest part of the build, the Sapphire RX580 Special edition


 
Man I really do love this card. You can get this in Black if the blue doesnt suit you, but the simple front design without all the gamer-y edginess that's normally associated with gaming GPU's is actually a nice breath of fresh air. The SAPPHIRE logo is technically RGB but we left it the stock blue since it matches the rest of the build, though I find it odd that they made the fans Static blue.... Part of me felt that these should also be RGB, but hey if you're buying a blue card you've probably got a color in mind.
 
The out of case POST test was successful, so it was time to move everything into the case; The Thermaltake Versa H18 Tempered glass.

 
Now if you know me on the forums, you know how much I love cases. Normally I've worked with $75+ cases of good quality, but today I got to work with a sub $50 case to see what the experience was REALLY like. And there were a lot of differences, believe me. Not all were bad. I flip flopped a lot between this case and the Coolermaster Q300L, but I ended up going for this one because of the actual Tempered glass, better front panel design, and the Blue LED along the side (which can be turned on and off with a front panel button. A positive, if only it wasnt molex... So overall a net score of 0)
 
First lets talk a bit of build quality. Overall the case was decently solid. There were no sharp edges where the hole cutouts for cables are, there's plenty of room to fit a full array of hardware not everyone would use in an mATX system (300mm GPU, AIO's etc), there was plenty of room for cable management in the back and there's even a PSU window in your basement to show off your Tier1-Tier3 PSU that you bought because you actually bothered to listen to the good guys over in the PSU sub forum  The Case comes with one USB 3.0 (3.1 Gen 1) and 2 USB 2.0 and came with standard mATX standoffs with the extra 2 added in the accessories box. The Very middle AND top standoffs both acted as guiding mounts and screws which I was very impressed with. I recently worked with a $150 case that didnt have this feature (only that expensive because my friend wanted RGB ) so it was a welcome addition.

 


 
One of the things I overlooked when buying this case was exactly where and how the HDD's mounted. Initially I thought you could only have one HDD screwed to the bottom of the case, but as it turns out the other spot mounts to the underside of the PSU basement. The accessories include longer than normal screws and rubber mounts. You use 3 to mount to your SSD or HDD and then the fourth screw gets put into a permanently fixed rubber mount pre installed in all four possible mounting locations thought the case. This saves cost on having to use HDD or SSD sleds, and while I prefer trays to these screw mounts, the fact that they're semi vibration resistant and that they actually work very well (mostly) makes up for any nostalgic "click when you slide in the HDD tray" I might have missed. The top filter is magnetic, the lack of an HDD rack makes cable managmanent with long PSU's that much easier, and overall there's a lot to like about this case
 
Now lets talk about the downsides of this case.

 
While cable management is relatively easy, the lack of many tie down points does not go unnoticed. It's not terrible by any means, but I wasnt able to get things as neat as I'd like them to be. The front filter and the bottom filter are not great since they're in a frame that you have to bend the tabs to remove (front) and the bottom is your generic "held in place by relatively unfinished metal tabs". The I/O is attached to the front panel, making removal of the filter that much harder because oyu cant move it much farther than turning it 90º to the right to get at the filter. MOLEX LEDS? Really? at least your rear fan is a 3 pin, but still. This case also does not do well with 140mm fans. You cannot mount them on the "outside" of the case in between the front panel and the frame because the wires on the I/O interfere, and you cant mount the 2.5" drives on the left side of the case where they'd be seen by people because again, the 140mm interferes with it. So I had to move the SSD to the back, which means it's facing correct side up, but doesn't display itself well. I dont know why, I like the idea of being able to show off your SSD at the very least (one o the reasons I LOVED the S340 elite and that PSU shroud mount on the very side) I would have also liked to see 2 USB 3.0's since two connectors can run off one motherboard header. The accessories come in somewhat separated bags, but the PSU, motherboard screws/standoffs and case fans all came in one bag unlabeled. THEY ALSO DID NOT INCLUDE A STANDOFF ADAPTER. Thankfully I brought my IfixIt tool kit which had the hex size we needed. 
 
The rest of the build was fairly smooth, I'm gonna dump some photos and then talk about some overclocking I did before i left at 1 am  
 

PRETTY LIGHTS

Who's that nerd in the glass reflection?

Decided to get a bit creative with my angled shots, trying to be like @Densetsu but without, you know, a proper camera  


 
 
So when this system booted, I noticed that there was a Sapphire logo with the AsRock splash screen. I have no idea if this is actually because of the Sapphire GPU or pure coincidence (the AsRock AB350M Pro4 I used in a previous build did not so I dont believe it's a native AsRock splash)
 

 
Finally lets talk numbers. Going into the BIOS netted me an easy XMP overclock no issues. I had previously used the B350 version to get a 1600 to 3.8ghz @1.25V without issue, but this time since the 2600 can OC a bit better I wanted to aim for 4.1 which I figured was relatively stable (ore important than high OC) I also fiddled with the BIOS fan curves since out of the box all fans were running at max speeds and it was quite loud ( 2000ish RPM for the CPu cooler, 16-1800 for the dual 140mm fans, etc) The built in fan-tastic tuning (what they called it not me) seemed to work and set a much better fan curve. Only one problem. It didnt seem to actually work. Even though the curve was supposed to ramp up under temperature differences, the CPU cooler fan stayed at 600rpm making the CPU get up to 78ºC after a few runs of Cinebench R15. I ended up fixing it using the "standard" profile which left it at around 1600RPM's which is barely audible with the system about two feet from the user. I'm not sure why the BIOS did that, but i got it relatively fixed and the cooler was around 67ºC after three continuous test of R15 so I'm calling it good. 
 
As far as overclocking, (@Spotty) I left the RX580 alone since the monitor being used was a 720p TV screen and needs to be upgraded. Plus I'm not good with OCing GPU's yet, especially AMD (Need to do more research) I spent most of my time dialing in a R5 2600 OC. Normally I use the BIOS for OCing, but this time I used Ryzen master which seemed to work pretty well, but I didnt trust the Test software it includes to be very through so I ran Cinebench multiple times, which was good because I found some freezes. I got 4.1ghz @1.4V to work immediately and lowered voltage from there. It passed Cinebench 4.1ghz @1.375V, but when I went to move the mouse during the second test it froze. I bumped the voltage up to 1.3875V and it crashed on the this test with me opening up goggle chrome and switching between R15 and HWMonitor. That might seem a bit nit picky of me to call that a fail but it did freeze.... So I decided to instead drop the clockspeed to 4.05ghz @1.3875V and that passed the tests and didnt hurt the Cinebench score at all (was constantly between 1325 and 1375). This means during games she shouldn't be much above 60ºC and should be stable through most workloads (she does not do Photoshop, Premiere or any intensive workloads but she might start streaming)

 
Now that I'm writing this I dont think I checked for a motherboard BIOS update.... Oh well.

More privacy harvest intrusion features. 

Asus Prime Z370-A.

Asus Prime Z370-A.

Wireless peripherals are now just as good as wired ones. I've seen a handful of eSports pros use a wireless mouse, the most notable one being bodyy from G2 Esports who use a Logitech G903.

A typo

I took so much grains of salt that I could supply a restaurant with escargot for seven months.

Hi folks,
 
Nice to meet you! This isn't really how I wanted to make a first impression on this forum, but after getting nowhere with their customer service, I figured maybe I could post here and someone who matters might notice.
 
I'll start by saying that part of this is definitely my fault, but the rest I blame on unclear messaging via their store and unresponsive customer service.
 
After the WAN show sponsor deal for a free six-pack the other day, I decided to try out Madrinas. I figured that two of their "#COFFEE4FUEL SAMPLER" six packs for the price of one made the purchase viable, as that dropped the price-per-can (without shipping) from over $3.17 per to $1.58 per. This was a limited time deal, obviously, so I figured okay, if I don't qualify for the free six pack, surely they'll indicate that somewhere in the purchase process, right?
 
Nope. To start, the only hint I could see was an order number range on the LTT page, stating "orders from ABC-DEF will get the free six pack." I thought, okay, hopefully they at least include a hypothetical order number somewhere prior to the purchase being finalized (which I realize now was folly, since that number probably isn't generated until the customer clicks "confirm"). Anyway, I get to the last page of the order form and enter my LTT coupon, and... I get $9.50 off. Okay. That's weird, but having ordered from Savage Jerky through another sponsor deal before, I know that sometimes stores have to do weird things to include free items in your cart, and maybe this was one of them. There was definitely no message that the coupon code had expired, or that it didn't include the six pack. Shipping is also pretty expensive at $11.68, but I figure that even with shipping, it comes out to about $1.80 per can if I'm getting the additional six cans. Still viable. So, I click confirm, see my order number, and it's in the range of "GHI." Well, shit, I've now ordered a six pack of coffee for about $3.50 per can including shipping. That's too much for me to justify the order with my budget. And the code doesn't provide free shipping, either, which kind of sucks, because they're advertising a free shipping code on their homepage, and the LTT code doesn't even cover the cost of shipping. So I ended up paying $2 more than if I had just purchased a six-pack as a non-LTT fan with their free shipping code.
 
Okay, that sucks, but I'll email them right now and get my request to cancel in early - the order and email were around midnight on a Sunday, so they should have both by SOB on Monday. Per their FAQ:

So I should be fine, right? I fire that email off and proceed to wait. 4:30 PM on Monday rolls around and I get an email from Madrinas saying "Your order has shipped!"
 
Wait, what? Seriously?
 
I email back telling them I had requested that the order be canceled.
 
It's now Thursday and I've still heard nothing from Madrinas, not even a "sorry, we didn't catch this before the order went out and there's nothing we can do now!" I've worked in customer service, and it's possible they were inundated with orders through the LTT deal and just didn't have time to get to it. That's fine! I've been on that end of the equation. The problem is that I haven't heard anything from them since I emailed to indicate that they even considered my request to cancel, and that's shitty. I hope this is just a one-off, and Madrinas is usually good about this sort of thing. I saw the other thread in the forum about how they sent that guy extra cans. That was cool, and I wish I'd had an experience as positive as that one. This is where I'm at now, though.
 
The coffee is due to be delivered today. I hope it's good, because if it's not, I'll be mad that I paid $21 for six cans of mediocre coffee and a bad customer service experience. Between this and what happened with Synergy "2.0" (and that company's subsequent layoff of all of its employees when their product backslid into beta), I'm inclined not to purchase a sponsor deal again, because it seems like LTT has trouble vetting its smaller sponsors for reliability. Sorry, guys. Doubt you'll miss me anyway!
 
TL;DR I ordered coffee through Madrinas with the LTT sponsor code, ended up paying more than if I'd just used their free shipping code on their home page, and then not only did they not reply when I requested to cancel, but they shipped my order as well.
 
Thanks for listening to my whining, feel free to flame, etc.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On this weeks episode of parts you can never afford but are still infatuated with.....

Give it a shot, I'm sure he'd appreciate it!  It's a nice sibling activity to do, especially when both of you are into computers.

Arctic BioniX F120 fans are a great choice.

Yeah, my brother only ever plays League of Legends and Fortnite, with only web browsing in between, easy comfort for a 400W PSU.

Welcome to my build log of my brother's custom PC!
This is my brother's first ever custom PC, built on September 27th.
 

 
My case of choice for my brother's new build is the DeepCool Frame, it's a standard £25 case that tries to cut you at every edge, but it's compact, light, spacious, and looked simple to work in, so this is what I chose for him.
 
First is to pop off the side panels to reveal a cluster of cables and a drive cage, which I know I'll never use. The front has a 120mm fan space while the back supports 80mm and 90mm fans. I had neither, so moving on.
 
Case prep was easy enough, taking off the PCI slot covers, side panels, and leaving only what was tied to the case's skeleton.
 

 

 
Next is the motherboard. I chose the ASRock B450-M Pro4, it was a reliable, solid-looking motherboard that was highly recommended, so it's what I went with.
 
The CPU of choice is the AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with its AMD Radeon Vega 8 graphics. It fell right into the budget of £300 nicely.
 
The RAM of choice is the Patriot Viper 4, it's rated for 3000MHz and had nice price-to-performance being £77 at the time of purchase.
 

 
As for the cooler, we stuck to our guns with the stock AMD Wraith cooler, it's simple and does the job, so there was no reason to spend extra for an aftermarket one.
 
I let my brother apply the thermal compound as well as installing the cooler itself, I monitored him and the cooler carefully. Spoilter: I failed.
 

 

 
Here's the part where it got slightly hectic.
 
Back when my brother and I were deciding on parts - actually that was 90% me anyway - we didn't have enough budget for a storage device so we assumed we could use the old HDD from his old PC... No, no we couldn't. That HDD was on tight.
 
So I begged my dad to drive me around town and hop to computer stores everywhere searching for some form of storage device. This began at 4PM.
 
I eventually found a 240GB Integral V2 SSD that I bought for £60, and hurried on home.
 

 
I landed back home at 6:30PM.
 

 
I learnt where the SSD was meant to go, and so I installed it easily, and connected up the required power and SATA cables.
 

 
So, with everything in order, I got the build up and running through my monitor, installed Windows 10, and got to the Windows screen.
 
At this point, this is what the build looks like right now. It's a spaghetti mess up front, but that's all I could due to the non-modular PSU that is the be quiet! Pure Power 10.
 

 
I opened up Task Manager, expanded the view, and behold, the Ryzen 2200G is on screen and we're set.
 

 
I also made sure in the BIOS that everything was working and detected, and yes, it all checks out. I later changed the RAM speed to 3000 from the 2133 as shown.
 

 

 
As it turns out, the 2200G was getting unusually hot, that I rushed back here to confirm that my temperatures were abnormal:
 
Of course, I stopped the system, and my beliefs were true. My brother did in fact not screw the cooler in enough and as a result, the IHS didn't make any contact with the cooler.
I redid the cooler, as per protocol.
 

 

 
The finale is the big boss, the Cinebench test for the temperatures. The temperatures speak for themselves.
 

 
Overall, I am happy with how this build turned out. It took us a grand total of five hours not including the quest to find a storage device. My brother will be sure to enjoy this new PC for his gaming sessions, and the total cost of £373.02.  
 

 
My brother officially now has a GTX 1050 Ti inside his PC! It's a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB single fan model, bought for £150.
Relatively straight-forward, slotting the GPU into the PCIE slot, an install of drivers, and it was up!
 

 

 

 
My brother decided to buy a new storage drive since he's already filled up hos 250GB Integral V2 SSD, and so he bought a 240GB Kingston A400 SSD!
 

 
He now has a 250GB Integral V2 SSD and a 240GB Kingston A400 SSD inside his system, totalling to 490GB (where 460GB is useable) in his PC.