I would be much more compelled by this if so much of it was not dedicated to the price of iOS devices (which start at $499 btw so don't act like the only phone Apple sells costs $1,000). Almost everything else I see as a valid criticism that people can hold even if I don't believe those reasons matter in any significant way. 

12 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would be much more compelled by this if so much of it was not dedicated to the price of iOS devices (which start at $499 btw so don't act like the only phone Apple sells costs $1,000). Almost everything else I see as a valid criticism that people can hold even if I don't believe those reasons matter in any significant way. 

^^^ Truth. Most of it seems to be down to personal preference and someone's subjective opinion of Apple and it's products, people can make the exact same arguments against Android OEMs and such. Thus why there's really no "best" phone, iPhones will always do some things better than androids, androids will always do some things better than iPhones, and round and round you go. It's just personal preference, I don't see why so many people are deeply offended by iPhones and Macs and why they feel so compelled to argue about how terrible they are when usually the people who have them are perfectly happy with them (and if they aren't they get an android, so problem solved).

To be frank, a lot of the reasons why people prefer one platform over the other is a subjective reason from an objective fact.

There’s things Android is better at and there’s things iOS is better at.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would be much more compelled by this if so much of it was not dedicated to the price of iOS devices (which start at $499 btw so don't act like the only phone Apple sells costs $1,000). Almost everything else I see as a valid criticism that people can hold even if I don't believe those reasons matter in any significant way. 

cause 500$ for a phone released 3 years ago is not a valid option when for the same money i can have perfectly good, if not better, current year devices

1 minute ago, suicidalfranco said:

cause 500$ for a phone released 3 years ago is not a valid option when for the same money i can have perfectly good, if not better, current year devices

That is the thing with Apple devices, as long as they are listed on Apple.com they are relevant in terms of software/hardware features. Remember Apple sells flagships that age extremely well. I doubt a $500 new Android smartphone is going to be that much better over an iPhone 7/Plus in any department, especially performance and photography. 

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I doubt

we can agree on that

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would be much more compelled by this if so much of it was not dedicated to the price of iOS devices (which start at $499 btw so don't act like the only phone Apple sells costs $1,000). Almost everything else I see as a valid criticism that people can hold even if I don't believe those reasons matter in any significant way. 

It is far from the truth that Apple is the only one that sells expensive devices. Pricing of Android has been messed up for flagships for years. What Android does have, is much cheaper new mid rangers or last year flaships, and if we're honest, even most new flagshipsif not all, cost hundreds of $ less than flagship iPhone do, and you have much wider range on how much money you can spend to get a phone. But then again Samsung makes more new phone per year than Apple has in its lifetime, so there is that. But iPhones wete always a Premiun device, no? As far as I can see, in most countries new iPhones cost more than most, if not all competition, and you have only 3 devices, which in my country cost an arm and a leg. The least expensive XR costs $1100 here while the least expensive XS Max is $1700-1800. You tell me if pricing is a valid criticism. 

5 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

But iPhones wete always a Premiun device, no?

They always have been. Even the XR, the "cheap" iPhone is technically on the lower-half of the high-end spectrum.

The only "budget" models Apple sells are previous iPhone models. Minus the iPhone SE, iPhones usually only cater to the high-end.

12 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

which start at $499 btw so don't act like the only phone Apple sells costs $1,000

Sure, it starts at 499 if you're content with a 3 year old device, and it's still significantly more than I personally am willing to pay for a phone. To be clear, it's not the only reason I wouldn't buy one, but it's enough of a reason on its own.

8 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I doubt a $500 new Android smartphone is going to be that much better over an iPhone 7/Plus in any department, especially performance and photography. 

Is that so?

And to be honest, that's far from the best value you can get anyway. You could buy this for less than 200$ and spend the remaining 300$ on an actual camera if that's so important to you (not that I think the camera on the redmi is bad or even worse than the iphone - I just don't know, it would have to be tested). Even the best smartphone camera is trash tier compared to a mirrorless with a decently sized sensor. And honestly, I don't care if the iphone 7 is slightly better in one select scenario - it's 150% more expensive for one or two slightly better features (and most likely a lot more features that are objectively worse or missing). That's within my definition of wasting money. If you absolutely must have iOS for some reason, sure, buy an iphone - but you can't convince me it's worth the asking price on hardware alone.

1 hour ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

The only "budget" models Apple sells are previous iPhone models. Minus the iPhone SE, iPhones usually only cater to the high-end.

I mean, that was a rhetorical question, but that is pretty much how I think about them.

But just to put it in perspective, even for a premium device they are ridiculously inflated. I can get a 128 GB Note 9, brand new, from the official seller, for $30 than I can pre-order a 64GB iPhone XR. Yes, XR. We are not talking carriers or contract, we are talking the price from 2 "main" official sellers in my country, one time on cash. I am not sure how anyone (not you) can comment that price is not a valid criticism.

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Is that so?

He did say new Android phone.

Not dissing the S8. It's a mad phone and probably a much fairer comparison to an older iPhone, but I wouldn't call the S8 a "new" Android phone.

A Pocophone, though. It's actually quite close to an actual flagship in many aspects. You can't easily get it in the US, though

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

He did say new Android phone.

 

Not dissing the S8. It's a mad phone and probably a much fairer comparison to an older iPhone, but I wouldn't call the S8 a "new" Android phone.

It's new in that it's not used. Still more recent than an iphone 7. Regardless, I'm sure there are "new" equivalents out for about that price; I just couldn't be bothered to find one. Right now I don't think it makes any sense to spend more than 250$ on a phone anyway.

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Regardless, I'm sure there are "new" equivalents out for about that price

It's not as easily obtainable in the US, but the aforementioned Pocophone F1 is usually the phone that's brought up when talking about <$500 phones.

SD845, 6/8GB of memory, 64/128/256GB SKUs with microSD support and a set of cameras that aren't actually bad alongside a 4000mAh battery. It's a shit ton of phone starting from $299 for the 64GB/6GB SKU.

10 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

That is the thing with Apple devices, as long as they are listed on Apple.com they are relevant in terms of software/hardware features. Remember Apple sells flagships that age extremely well. I doubt a $500 new Android smartphone is going to be that much better over an iPhone 7/Plus in any department, especially performance and photography. 

One plus 6 Cost around 500 doallrs and it performances  and camera is better than iphone 7 plus . sd 845 is faster than a10 . dxomark rates one plus 6 camera. higher than iPhone 7 plus 

2 minutes ago, Overclock Gamer said:

sd 845 is faster than a10

In multicore, yes, as you'd expect out of an SoC with twice the core count of an A10.

In singlecore, not really. The A10 is still quite a bit beefier.

Can you notice the difference in normal real-world use? Not unless you do a ton of video encoding, which is not typical phone use.