Crappiest CPU worth while? When does "X" CPU bottleneck "X" GPU?

[ScaryFatKidGT]

So after watching this video

and seeing him use a (linus surprised voice) FIFFTY DOLLARRRRRR..... cpu I'm kind of curious.

 

I'm building a mainly gaming machine, I have a gigabyte mATX gaming 5 mobo, 600w corsair PSU and ram and I'm planning to put it in a Node 804 and I find myself running short on cash for the important bit's, I would really like a 980 ti but idk whats going to happen. (I know I know, budget build with a $650 gpu but thats what makes the graphics go right?).

 

So first question is there anything in between the G3258 and the 4690k thats unlocked?

 

Second, I want the 4790k cuz it's the best without going crazy on the E's with DDR4 and a $300 mobo, but then I was looking at the 4690k and then I was like hell idk even know if that would bottle neck a SINGLE 980 ti so what about the $159 4590 from microcenter?, as I see a lot of budget builds using the 4460 and that's one step lower and more money so the 4590 seems like a good deal. Now I'm thinking what about the 4370 (3.8ghz) for $139 or the 4170 (3.7ghz) for $99? Now for the 4370 I would probably drop the extra $20 on the 4590 but the 4170 seems like a steal, Dual core 3.8ghz for $99! but how shitty of a processor is this?

 

Or what If I went really cheap? A $99 CPU and the 970... completing my build for under $500 is enticing.

[TheSLSAMG]

First answer, yes. The i3s and locked i5s sit very well between them, offering good price points and solid performance that's better than a Pentium but slightly worse than an unlocked i5.

 

Second, in a normal gaming application, the GTX 980 Ti shouldn't be bottlenecked much if at all by the i5 4690K. I believe @MegaDave91 has experience with this since he has an i5 4670K and a GTX TITAN X.

[Vegetable]

OK. There is a LOT of words and no punctuation. FIX THAT SO I CAN READ IT! Anyways, get an i5 and a 980, call it a day. 

[ApolloX75]

So first question is there anything in between the G3258 and the 4690k thats unlocked?

Nope, unfortunately not. The only thing you could consider being "in between" is the older 4670k  but that's usually just as expensive as a 4690k. You can go with a locked i5 4460 or even an i3 and not have any issues, just no overclocking.

 

And a 4690k will not bottleneck a 980 Ti, not even two 980 Ti's. It's a very strong CPU and will remain so for a very long time. Look at the 2500K. I saw someone post a 3D Mark bench here with a 2500K clocked 200MHz higher than my 4670k and it matched perfectly.

[mathijs727]

So after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbDiSMQ_L_k and seeing him use a (linus surprised voice) FIFFTY DOLLARRRRRR..... cpu I'm kind of curiouse.

 

I'm building a mainly gaming maching, I have a gigabyte mATX gaming 5 mobo, 600w corsair PSU and ram and I'm planning to put it in a Node 804 and I find myself running short on cash for the important bit's, I would really like a 980 ti but idk whats going to happen. (I know I know, budget build with a $650 gpu but thats what makes the graphics go right?).

 

So first question is there anything in between the G3258 and the 4690k thats unlocked?

 

Second, I want the 4790k cuz it's the best without going crazy on the E's with DDR4 and a $300 mobo, but then I was looking at the 4690k and then I well like hell idk if even know if that would bottle neck a SINGLE 980 ti so what about the $159 4590 from microcenter as I see a lot of budget builds using the 4460 and that's one step lower and more money so the 4590 sees like a good deal. Now I'm thinking what about the 4370 (3.8ghz) for $139 or the 4170 (3.7ghz) for $99? Now for the 4370 I would probably drop the extra $20 on the 4590 but the 4370 seems like a steal, Dual core 3.8ghz for $99! but how shitty of a processor is this?

Get at least a quad core i5.

Dual core will bottleneck a gtx980ti for sure and some games (far cry 4 for example) wont even start up on dual core cpus.

Dont unbalance the build because of money problems. If money is a problem you should look at a cheaper gpu instead of cheaping out on every other part of the build.

[MegaDave91]

Expect to see bottlenecking (with a 980 ti) at 1080p.

[Umeshwarnath]

If you got that kinda money, please get a quad core.....an unlocked i5 if you can or atleast a nok K i5(wich you will be able to run at max turbo even though non k).

dual core with 980ti is straight up bad!

[ScaryFatKidGT]

Get at least a quad core i5.

Dual core will bottleneck a gtx980ti for sure and some games (far cry 4 for example) wont even start up on dual core cpus.

Dont unbalance the build because of money problems. If money is a problem you should look at a cheaper gpu instead of cheaping out on every other part of the build.

I think thats 2 threads, It should run on a hyper threaded dual core

 

Expect to see bottlenecking (with a 980 ti) at 1080p.

With what?

 

If you got that kinda money, please get a quad core.....an unlocked i5 if you can or atleast a non K i5(which you will be able to run at max turbo even though non k).

dual core with 980ti is straight up bad!

Is there a mod/hack or something to run all 4 cores at max turbo? or if I have enough cooling it just will automatically? 4 3.7ghz cores seems sufficient. My money issue is every time I look at the 4690k I want the 4790k lol, 4ghz base clock woo hoo.

 

Idk I don't think you guys are giving 2 3.7/3.8ghz hyperthreaded cores enough credit lmao.

[Hieb]

An i5-4570 or 4590 should drive the GTX 980 Ti without issues for 60 FPS and high settings and/or anti-aliasing or supersampling (DSR). If you're looking for 120/144 FPS gameplay then you will definitely want an unlocked i5-4690K.

 

While an i3 is a fine CPU for gaming, when you're getting into the range of cards like the GTX 970 and above I wouldn't recommend it since it does struggle to maintain a solid 60 FPS in more demanding titles like Battlefield multiplayer, Grand Theft Auto V, etc. So you'll definitely want the quad core CPU even if it's not an unlocked one.

[MegaDave91]

 

With what?

Anything, more or less.

[Deli]

Expect to see bottlenecking (with a 980 ti) at 1080p.

An overclocked 4960k together with 4790K are the two fastest possible CPUs for gaming at this moment. If they bottlenecks 980Ti. Why else can you do? No, 5960X is slower in gaming than 4690K.  And yes, Skylake 6700K will be faster, but next gen Nvidia Pascal will make an even bigger step. 

 

So, the question is, what can you do?

[MegaDave91]

An overclocked 4960k together with 4790K are the two fastest possible CPUs for gaming at this moment. If they bottlenecks 980Ti. Why else can you do? No, 5960X is slower in gaming than 4690K.  And yes, Skylake 6700K will be faster, but next gen Nvidia Pascal will make an even bigger step. 

 

So, the question is, what can you do?

Use a proper suited card for the application/resolution.

[Deli]

Use a proper suited card for the application/resolution.

Unless 980Ti performs worse than 980 or 970 in that particular situation, or budget is a concern. I see no problem using a faster card. There is no rule the CPU must be faster the GPU. Just like if you have 16G of ram, but the system uses only 8G in gaming. Or you have a 850W PSU, but the system only needs 500W. Does it mean you CPU and GPU bottleneck the PSU and ram?

[Hieb]

An overclocked 4960k together with 4790K are the two fastest possible CPUs for gaming at this moment. If they bottlenecks 980Ti. Why else can you do? No, 5960X is slower in gaming than 4690K.  And yes, Skylake 6700K will be faster, but next gen Nvidia Pascal will make an even bigger step. 

 

So, the question is, what can you do?

 

Depends on the resolution.

 

It wouldn't bottleneck even remotely in the majority of games at 1440P or 4K... but at 1080P framerates would get so high that the CPU just can't keep the 980 Ti fed. It's not designed for 1080P unless you're also using DSR and anti-aliasing.

[MegaDave91]

Unless 980Ti performs worse than 980 or 970 in that particular situation, or budget is a concern. I see no problem using a faster card. There is no rule the CPU must be faster the GPU. Just like if you have 16G of ram, but the system uses only 8G in gaming. Or you have a 850W PSU, but the system only needs 500W. Does it mean you CPU and GPU bottleneck the PSU and ram?

It's not quite that simple, but, utilizing 500w of 850w is great efficiency, actually. I digress...

[ScaryFatKidGT]

Depends on the resolution.

 

It wouldn't bottleneck even remotely in the majority of games at 1440P or 4K... but at 1080P framerates would get so high that the CPU just can't keep the 980 Ti fed. It's not designed for 1080P unless you're also using DSR and anti-aliasing.

Yeah I'm not talking about anything above 120fps, or 1-2 fps here or there I

m talking about bottlenecking like I can't get more than 50fps where if I had a better CPU it would jump to 70.

 

I just want so many things and only have so much money lol, and I'm trying to decide on a Node 804, Define R5 or something else, I would really like a drive bay for a bluray drive and a Hue controller so the Noctis is out even tho I love the way the white case looks.

 

I want to get the Acer predator too, I mean its just so amazing, its 1440 at 144 fps..... a year ago they were only 60fps! and it G-Sync like thats a crazy technology and then on top its IPS like omg it has everything.

 

I'm probably go with either the 4790k or the 4590... idk and ill just leave the stock cooler on them I guess.

[Hieb]

Yeah I'm not talking about anything above 120fps, or 1-2 fps here or there I

m talking about bottlenecking like I can't get more than 50fps where if I had a better CPU it would jump to 70.

 

I just want so many things and only have so much money lol, and I'm trying to decide on a Node 804, Define R5 or something else, I would really like a drive bay for a bluray drive and a Hue controller so the Noctis is out even tho I love the way the white case looks.

 

I want to get the Acer predator too, I mean its just so amazing, its 1440 at 144 fps..... a year ago they were only 60fps! and it G-Sync like thats a crazy technology and then on top its IPS like omg it has everything.

 

I'm probably go with either the 4790k or the 4590... idk and ill just leave the stock cooler on them I guess.

 

Well generally my preference is for an enjoyable gaming experience of ~60 fps average with some dips to the high 40s or 50s, then an i3-4150 or similar will do just fine. If you want to maintain a solid 60 fps with very minimal dips below 60 fps, then get an i5-4460 or similar. If you want to play at 120 or 144 FPS, then you'll want an OC'd i5-4690K or i7-4790K.