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So i need to cut costs on my build. if i go from a 970 to a 960 am i going to see major performance differences? I am buying from Canada so the prices will be different.

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At 1080p, the 970 is going to max out everything. The 960 is not, although it will play most games on near-max. That being said, the 970 will feel much more stable and clean, so to speak. At 1440p? Forget about the 960. 

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Yes the 970 is leagues better then a 960. Whats you budget? Im sure we can help you save some cash.What was your build so far?

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PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/RfbsFT


 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($284.75 @ Vuugo) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.05 @ Vuugo) 

Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($169.98 @ DirectCanada) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg Canada) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.98 @ DirectCanada) 

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.00 @ Newegg Canada) 

Case: Cooler Master Silencio 652S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.75 @ Vuugo) 

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.98 @ Newegg Canada) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 

Total: $1696.43

 

 

Want to trim 100 or around off

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PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/RfbsFT
 
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($284.75 @ Vuugo) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.05 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($169.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 652S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.75 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1696.43
 
 
Want to trim 100 or around off

 

Drop down to a one or two terabyte drive. Drop the 4690k to a 4460, and get an h97 motherboard instead of a z97. Finally, get an NZXT s340 case instead of the one you have listed.

 

Keep the 970

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The 970 beats the 960 in everything. It even has wayy better value.

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PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/RfbsFT
 
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($284.75 @ Vuugo) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.05 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($169.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 652S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.75 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1696.43
 
 
Want to trim 100 or around off

 

2tb HDD and 120GB SSD is cheaper, 1600MHz memory is better price/performance, and that's it.

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Nah...you don't want a 120 SSD. They fill up WAY to fast. Games now can be up to 30 gigs. Get a few of those and your full. Keep the SSD.

 

Get a cheaper 970 though, not the strix. Look at a PNY or Zotac. Strix doesn't cool as well as some others. HDD yea, go smaller unless you are cloning other drives to it and CAN'T go smaller.

 

Motherboard, so many choices. I always try to find mobo's with only 2 way SLI because I'm never going to use it anyways. z97 is solid though.

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PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/RfbsFT
 
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($284.75 @ Vuugo) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.05 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($169.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 652S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.75 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1696.43
 
 
Want to trim 100 or around off

 

Get rid of windows 8.1 and just download windows 10 while it's still in beta and free. it's free to keep once the full retail hits.

Also consider getting a cheaper case.

 

8GB of ram and 120gb SSD are no goes iMO. Games are easily 60GB these days. 256-512gb SSD min IMO and 16GB of ram. 

 

For GPU I would pass on the 970 as it's only got 3.5GB of vram and at 400 you could get a used GTX 980 on eBay. Or if you wanna cut costs get a used 290X (not reference) on eBay. 

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So i need to cut costs on my build. if i go from a 970 to a 960 am i going to see major performance differences? I am buying from Canada so the prices will be different.

 
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($143.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($64.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: A-Data XPG SX900 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($76.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1597.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Get rid of windows 8.1 and just download windows 10 while it's still in beta and free. it's free to keep once the full retail hits.

Also consider getting a cheaper case.

 

8GB of ram and 120gb SSD are no goes iMO. Games are easily 60GB these days. 256-512gb SSD min IMO and 16GB of ram. 

 

For GPU I would pass on the 970 as it's only got 3.5GB of vram and at 400 you could get a used GTX 980 on eBay. Or if you wanna cut costs get a used 290X (not reference) on eBay. 

you dont need 16gb of ram -_- especially since hes on a budget and i doubt hes going to be rendering heavily, he can upgrade later if he needs to but right now me and all my friends have 8 and we havent noticed a problem, with gta open with a couple chrome browsers, steam and steam chat im still not using 8gb

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my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

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you dont need 16gb of ram -_- especially since hes on a budget and i doubt hes going to be rendering heavily, he can upgrade later if he needs to but right now me and all my friends have 8 and we havent noticed a problem, with gta open with a couple chrome browsers, steam and steam chat im still not using 8gb

GTA V you say, not using 8GB of ram you say...

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/396334-8gb-of-ram-isnt-enough-pic/#entry5346194

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At 1080p, the 970 is going to max out everything. The 960 is not, although it will play most games on near-max. That being said, the 970 will feel much more stable and clean, so to speak. At 1440p? Forget about the 960. 

970 wont max everything out in 1080p, it cant max arma 3, or gta, not sure about many others because i do not own them, i own mostly older games but on gta i have to turn so settings down or off and i still get masive dips down to 10 fps at times and thats on a 4690k at 4.1ghz

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The Ninja (current gaming pc)  Case- h440 red/black cpu- i5-4690k@ 4.3ghz cooler- coolermaster hyper 212 evo mobo- Gigabyte z97x-sli ram- adata xpg v.1 2x4gb 1600mhz gpu- asus strix gtx 970 hdd- wd blue 1tb ssd- kingston hyperx savage 240gb psu- evga 600b peripherals: mouse- razer death adder 2013 keyboard- corsair k70 with chery mx-reds headset- HyperX Cloud 2

my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

and a car thread ! 

 

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970 wont max everything out in 1080p, it cant max arma 3, or gta, not sure about many others because i do not own them, i own mostly older games but on gta i have to turn so settings down or off and i still get masive dips down to 10 fps at times and thats on a 4690k at 4.1ghz

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/396334-8gb-of-ram-isnt-enough-pic/#entry5346194

 

 

I was getting dips in 30FPS on my 980 at 1080p ultra on GTA V. I reinstalled the game onto the SSD from the HDD and I think that helped stabilize the FPS at around 50 drops but I gotta do more tests.

 

What's your VRAM usage? GTA V can easily use over 3.5GB and the 970's performance goes into the toilet when that happens. 

 

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did you see the controversy going on in that thread, and the thing about maxed vram is also bull, i run almost maxed and dont come near 3.5 gb sooo, and like many people had said that they were using systems with 4gb of ram and were fine playing gta, my friend has a 960 and plays gta fine.

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The Ninja (current gaming pc)  Case- h440 red/black cpu- i5-4690k@ 4.3ghz cooler- coolermaster hyper 212 evo mobo- Gigabyte z97x-sli ram- adata xpg v.1 2x4gb 1600mhz gpu- asus strix gtx 970 hdd- wd blue 1tb ssd- kingston hyperx savage 240gb psu- evga 600b peripherals: mouse- razer death adder 2013 keyboard- corsair k70 with chery mx-reds headset- HyperX Cloud 2

my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

and a car thread ! 

 

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PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/RfbsFT
 
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($284.75 @ Vuugo) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.05 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($169.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($398.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 652S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.75 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1696.43
 
 
Want to trim 100 or around off

 

 
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($112.99 @ NCIX) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($82.00 @ Vuugo) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Monitor: Philips 246V5LHAB/27 60Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($192.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1591.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-29 19:35 EDT-0400
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970 wont max everything out in 1080p, it cant max arma 3, or gta, not sure about many others because i do not own them, i own mostly older games but on gta i have to turn so settings down or off and i still get masive dips down to 10 fps at times and thats on a 4690k at 4.1ghz

ARMA 3 performs poorly on all hardware, and is very, very CPU-intensive. it's not a game that you "can" max. 

 

Grand Theft Auto V can be maxed out at 1080p and run at between 70-100fps... I am on a 970 + an FX-6300, and I get between 40 and 80fps... That's with max everything + 2xMSAA and MFAA.

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http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/396334-8gb-of-ram-isnt-enough-pic/#entry5346194

 

 

I was getting dips in 30FPS on my 980 at 1080p ultra on GTA V. I reinstalled the game onto the SSD from the HDD and I think that helped stabilize the FPS at around 50 drops but I gotta do more tests.

 

What's your VRAM usage? GTA V can easily use over 3.5GB and the 970's performance goes into the toilet when that happens. 

from the ingame counter im using under 3gb with the settings im using, i would check gpu tweak but its glitching lately and always cranking my voltage to the max for no apparent reason and i just reinstalled it and now im gettings constant driver crashes so im going to have to find something else to check, but i knwo before this happend the max i was using was about 3.2gb

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The Ninja (current gaming pc)  Case- h440 red/black cpu- i5-4690k@ 4.3ghz cooler- coolermaster hyper 212 evo mobo- Gigabyte z97x-sli ram- adata xpg v.1 2x4gb 1600mhz gpu- asus strix gtx 970 hdd- wd blue 1tb ssd- kingston hyperx savage 240gb psu- evga 600b peripherals: mouse- razer death adder 2013 keyboard- corsair k70 with chery mx-reds headset- HyperX Cloud 2

my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

and a car thread ! 

 

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did you see the controversy going on in that thread, and the thing about maxed vram is also bull, i run almost maxed and dont come near 3.5 gb sooo, and like many people had said that they were using systems with 4gb of ram and were fine playing gta, my friend has a 960 and plays gta fine.

the guy who said he played it fine on 1gb of vram had it on low console-potato settings. I think it's kinda ridiculous to spend 1500+ USD on PC and just end up having to play on low settings cuz the person made a few small mistakes in how they allocated their funds. 

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ARMA 3 performs poorly on all hardware, and is very, very CPU-intensive. it's not a game that you "can" max. 

 

Grand Theft Auto V can be maxed out at 1080p and run at between 70-100fps... I am on a 970 + an FX-6300, and I get between 40 and 80fps... That's with max everything + 2xMSAA and MFAA.

please tell me how ? im on a 4690k and i cant get close to maxing it out, i run no advanced settings, no msaa, high most stuff with some very high with no extended distance or shadow settings and i get anywhere from 120-2 fps

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The Ninja (current gaming pc)  Case- h440 red/black cpu- i5-4690k@ 4.3ghz cooler- coolermaster hyper 212 evo mobo- Gigabyte z97x-sli ram- adata xpg v.1 2x4gb 1600mhz gpu- asus strix gtx 970 hdd- wd blue 1tb ssd- kingston hyperx savage 240gb psu- evga 600b peripherals: mouse- razer death adder 2013 keyboard- corsair k70 with chery mx-reds headset- HyperX Cloud 2

my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

and a car thread ! 

 

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the guy who said he played it fine on 1gb of vram had it on low console-potato settings. I think it's kinda ridiculous to spend 1500+ USD on PC and just end up having to play on low settings cuz the person made a few small mistakes in how they allocated their funds. 

just saying you cant go to low potato settings theres only normal which is still decent

and so your saying i have to play on low settings because i have 8gb of ram ? ive never went over 7gb usage

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The Ninja (current gaming pc)  Case- h440 red/black cpu- i5-4690k@ 4.3ghz cooler- coolermaster hyper 212 evo mobo- Gigabyte z97x-sli ram- adata xpg v.1 2x4gb 1600mhz gpu- asus strix gtx 970 hdd- wd blue 1tb ssd- kingston hyperx savage 240gb psu- evga 600b peripherals: mouse- razer death adder 2013 keyboard- corsair k70 with chery mx-reds headset- HyperX Cloud 2

my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

and a car thread ! 

 

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http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/396334-8gb-of-ram-isnt-enough-pic/#entry5346194

 

 

I was getting dips in 30FPS on my 980 at 1080p ultra on GTA V. I reinstalled the game onto the SSD from the HDD and I think that helped stabilize the FPS at around 50 drops but I gotta do more tests.

 

What's your VRAM usage? GTA V can easily use over 3.5GB and the 970's performance goes into the toilet when that happens. 

 

I run GTA V at 60 fps locked (really 75-95 most of the time if I turned VSync off) 1920x1080 with most settings ultra or as high as they go (some stop at very high) on my EVGA GTX 970 SC. No MSAA and grass is on Very High though, and I run it off a cheap 7200 RPM Seagate HDD. Ultra grass is an enormous performance killer. My settings have my VRAM max out about 3.3 GB usage. None of the advanced options other than the streaming while flying are turned on though, that one setting doesn't make too big a performance hit but the rest do.

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I run GTA V at 60 fps locked (really 75-95 most of the time if I turned VSync off) 1920x1080 with most settings ultra or as high as they go (some stop at very high) on my EVGA GTX 970 SC. No MSAA and grass is on Very High though, and I run it off a cheap 7200 RPM Seagate HDD. Ultra grass is an enormous performance killer. My settings have my VRAM max out about 3.3 GB usage. None of the advanced options other than the streaming while flying are turned on though, that one setting doesn't make too big a performance hit but the rest do.

im so confused, im running lower settings then you and i get massive dips down to 30 and sometimes 10-2 fps

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The Ninja (current gaming pc)  Case- h440 red/black cpu- i5-4690k@ 4.3ghz cooler- coolermaster hyper 212 evo mobo- Gigabyte z97x-sli ram- adata xpg v.1 2x4gb 1600mhz gpu- asus strix gtx 970 hdd- wd blue 1tb ssd- kingston hyperx savage 240gb psu- evga 600b peripherals: mouse- razer death adder 2013 keyboard- corsair k70 with chery mx-reds headset- HyperX Cloud 2

my laptop- toshiba satelite p850, cpu- i7-3630qm ram- 8gb 1600mhz hdd- 1tb 5400rpm gpu- Nvidia gt630m 2gb

did you know we have a gun thread ? well we do 

 

and a car thread ! 

 

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