should i go for the i5-8600K?

[rnhbs]

Im planning to build a newer rig for average gaming nothing too demanding (Gta V, CSGO, PUBG etc.) and i was thinking if i should spend an extra $140AUD for the i5-8600K. What do y'all think?

[Spotty]

7 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

Im planning to build a newer rig for average gaming nothing too demanding (Gta V, CSGO, PUBG etc.) and i was thinking if i should spend an extra $140AUD for the i5-8600K. What do y'all think?

Extra $140 AUD instead of what? What's the other option?

What Motherboard, RAM, GPU, and Monitor?

[rnhbs]

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Extra $140 AUD instead of what? What's the other option?

What Motherboard, RAM, GPU, and Monitor?

i was thinking of i5-8400. I'll be pairing it with 8GB RAM 2666MHz, a 1060 6GB and a regular 5ms 1920x1080 monitor.

[Sauron]

No, for "average" gaming an i5 is a waste of money. It's only useful if you'll be pushing over 100 fps and if you're on a budget I doubt your monitor has a 120hz refresh rate. Get a ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 and save yourself some money - you also get more room to upgrade until at least 2020.

[GoldenLag]

get an r5 2600.

 

and since you are in australia. 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/KQQRsY/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gaming-8g-video-card-gv-rx580gaming-8gd

get this GPU instead. its cheaper and has support for freesync. 

 

here is the Ramkit

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2b3000c15

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/Hy97YJ/msi-b450-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk

here is the motherboard

[rnhbs]

7 minutes ago, Sauron said:

No, for "average" gaming an i5 is a waste of money. It's only useful if you'll be pushing over 100 fps and if you're on a budget I doubt your monitor has a 120hz refresh rate. Get a ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 and save yourself some money - you also get more room to upgrade until at least 2020.

I'm not sure if I wanna go for Ryzen as I wanna build a rig for right now and whatever monitor will make my experience better i'll just upgrade to it. What other Intel processors do u recommend? (not that I'm a fanboy but I've just conclude that intel will give better gaming performance based of my previous rig)

[Deus Voltage]

3 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

I'm not sure if I wanna go for Ryzen as I wanna build a rig for right now and whatever monitor will make my experience better i'll just upgrade to it. What other Intel processors do u recommend? (not that I'm a fanboy but I've just conclude that intel will give better gaming performance based of my previous rig)

It entirely depends on your graphics card. Anything below 1070 doesn't require  intel, as the GPU will be the main bottleneck. 

[Sauron]

28 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

(not that I'm a fanboy but I've just conclude that intel will give better gaming performance based of my previous rig)

That's only true at over 100 fps, as I said - and the difference isn't very large even then. Ryzen has nothing to do with the older FX cpus, what was true for those no longer applies.

30 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

What other Intel processors do u recommend?

None, as I said Ryzen offers better value and you won't perceive any difference. It is a better choice, right now.

[rnhbs]

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's only true at over 100 fps, as I said - and the difference isn't very large even then. Ryzen has nothing to do with the older FX cpus, what was true for those no longer applies.

None, as I said Ryzen offers better value and you won't perceive any difference. It is a better choice, right now.

On a second thought, i think you're right I should go for ryzen. Check my parts list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/rnhbs/saved/3m

Lmk if I should change some stuff up. 

[Madgemade]

Really almost no one needs a top end CPU for gaming. I have an old CPU from 2012 much worse than Ryzen and it can cope with 4k at 60hz on medium settings in BF1, still being bottlenecked by the GPU. The games you listed came out years ago, you won't have any trouble getting 100+ fps, except maybe GTAV.

 

With the RX 580 you will be bottlenecked by the GPU in modern games. In the likes of CSGO you will have tons of FPS no problem. Looks good to me. Any more money on CPU will be wasted when you are already well over 100 fps.

[Sauron]

8 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

On a second thought, i think you're right I should go for ryzen. Check my parts list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/rnhbs/saved/3m

Lmk if I should change some stuff up. 

I think this is more balanced:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($144.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.50 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card  ($299.00 @ Umart)
Case: Deepcool - MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 450W ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $55.00)
Total: $1063.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 20:08 AEDT+1100

 

it performs the same and it comes with more storage so you won't run out of space in a week.

[rnhbs]

14 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I think this is more balanced:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($144.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.50 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card  ($299.00 @ Umart)
Case: Deepcool - MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 450W ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $55.00)
Total: $1063.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 20:08 AEDT+1100

 

it performs the same and it comes with more storage so you won't run out of space in a week.

Why 4GB rx580 not 8GB?

 

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

Why 4GB rx580 not 8GB?

Because at 1080p you don't need 8GB.

[Spotty]

12 minutes ago, Sauron said:

it performs the same and it comes with more storage so you won't run out of space in a week. 10 minutes

FTFY

 

2 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

Why 4GB rx580 not 8GB?

For an extra $40 or so you could go with the 8GB model.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($125.97 @ Amazon Australia)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.50 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card  ($359.00 @ Shopping Express)
Case: Deepcool - MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 450W ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $55.00)
Total: $1105.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 20:25 AEDT+1100

 

My list ended up pretty much the same as @Sauron's recommendation, with only slight difference of the motherboard and GPU.

The AsRock AB350M Pro4 is about $60 cheaper than the B450M Pro 4, so if you know the store you're buying from has stock that is Ryzen 2000 ready without needing a BIOS update, you could go with an AB350M Pro4 instead and that will offset the extra cost of the 8GB RX580.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($68.00 @ Umart)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.50 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card  ($359.00 @ Shopping Express)
Case: Deepcool - MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 450W ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $55.00)
Total: $1047.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 20:30 AEDT+1100

[rnhbs]

8 minutes ago, Spotty said:

FTFY

 

For an extra $40 or so you could go with the 8GB model.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($125.97 @ Amazon Australia)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.50 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card  ($359.00 @ Shopping Express)
Case: Deepcool - MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 450W ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $55.00)
Total: $1105.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 20:25 AEDT+1100

 

My list ended up pretty much the same as @Sauron's recommendation, with only slight difference of the motherboard and GPU.

The AsRock AB350M Pro4 is about $60 cheaper than the B450M Pro 4, so if you know the store you're buying from has stock that is Ryzen 2000 ready without needing a BIOS update, you could go with an AB350M Pro4 instead and that will offset the extra cost of the 8GB RX580.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($68.00 @ Umart)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($65.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.50 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card  ($359.00 @ Shopping Express)
Case: Deepcool - MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 450W ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $55.00)
Total: $1047.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 20:30 AEDT+1100

i actually forgot to add the HDD haha 

[iiMaagic]

4 minutes ago, rnhbs said:

i actually forgot to add the HDD haha 

Just a heads up, if you don't care about going for brand new parts you could try to pick up something like a used 980TI, used ones seem to be going for around the same price as the RX 580 and offers slightly better performance. If you don't trust used hardware however I'd 100% go with a RX 580.

[Cigano]

My advice would be too always at least get hardware that's not completely a pain to upgrade. If you run into more money and want a better monitor that wont even be an option if you're hardware can't push settings and frames. It's kind of like a motorcycle everyone tells you to get one with a small engine so that you can learn and save money but in around 4 weeks you'll be itching for something better. With that said you're parts list definitely isn't low end its a good mid level system that should hold up.  

[maartendc]

7 hours ago, rnhbs said:

Im planning to build a newer rig for average gaming nothing too demanding (Gta V, CSGO, PUBG etc.) and i was thinking if i should spend an extra $140AUD for the i5-8600K. What do y'all think?

 

7 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

get an r5 2600.

 

Yes, the R5 2600 offers the best bang for the buck right now. It can be found for as low as $150 USD on sale in some cases. The Intel CPU's on the other hand are overpriced at the moment due to low supply.

 

The only reason the get an Intel CPU would be if all of the below are true:

- A: Money is no object, and you don;t care about getting good value

- B: You have a gaming monitor that can do 144Hz or better. So you want framerates that are 144Hz or more. Intel CPU will give you those better ultra fast FPS  when you are not constrained by monitor OR GPU.

- C : you have a GPU that is at least a 1080, 1080Ti, 2080 or 2080Ti or better, so you can push over 144Hz at 1080P in most games.

 

However, if you are on a 60Hz or 120 Hz monitor, or on 1440P or 4K monitor, or have a slower GPU, AMD Ryzen 2600 is always the better choice.

 

Intel only makes sense for 1080P, on a high refresh rate monitor with a very fast GPU.