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Hi guys,

 

A few days ago i bought and play Assassin's Creed Odyssey and i feel the heat in my desk, that momment i think turn able OSD and see the temperature in ºC, i see 90ºC~100ºC in my CPU and GPU i jump of my seat like a pilot in ejection.

 

My primary specs

CPU: Intel I7 4790 1150 Core 3,6ghz/8mb Box i7-4790

CPU Cooler: Stock by Intel (very bad i know)

GPU: VGA EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DDR5X PCI-E 08G-P4-6181-KR

PSU: Corsair 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular RM850X - CP-9020093

HD: 1x HD Seagate SATA 3,5´ BarraCuda 4TB 5400RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6Gb/s - ST4000DM004  1x HD Seagate SATA 3,5' 1TB

SSD: 1x SSD Kingston 2.5´ 240GB UV400 SATA III SUV400S37/240G

Mobo:Asus Mother board H81m-cs/br

 

It's possible to fix the overheating?

 

I play other games and CPU and GPU temperature stay in 60ºC~70ºC after much hours played.

 

I bought a few momments ago 2 fans 120mm and a watercooling system to prey a god to lower this temperatures, but i don't have faith in gods, for this i call you guys.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

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It's probably just thermal paste dried to crisps

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...the liquid cooler will deff. help bring the temps down.

 

not all games stress the CPU/GPU the same. this is why FPS vary so much from one title to the next.

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5 minutes ago, jonesoliveira07 said:

Hi guys,

 

A few days ago i bought and play Assassin's Creed Odyssey and i feel the heat in my desk, that momment i think turn able OSD and see the temperature in ºC, i see 90ºC~100ºC in my CPU and GPU i jump of my seat like a pilot in ejection.

 

My primary specs

CPU: Intel I7 4790 1150 Core 3,6ghz/8mb Box i7-4790

CPU Cooler: Stock by Intel (very bad i know)

GPU: VGA EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DDR5X PCI-E 08G-P4-6181-KR

PSU: Corsair 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular RM850X - CP-9020093

HD: 1x HD Seagate SATA 3,5´ BarraCuda 4TB 5400RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6Gb/s - ST4000DM004  1x HD Seagate SATA 3,5' 1TB

SSD: 1x SSD Kingston 2.5´ 240GB UV400 SATA III SUV400S37/240G

Mobo:Asus Mother board H81m-cs/br

 

It's possible to fix the overheating?

 

I play other games and CPU and GPU temperature stay in 60ºC~70ºC after much hours played.

 

I bought a few momments ago 2 fans 120mm and a watercooling system to prey a god to lower this temperatures, but i don't have faith in gods, for this i call you guys.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

1 .) if you are feeling it in your desk, the heat, is your PC Tower in a cabinet on/under the desk?  That's no good for airflow and temps.

2.) Like above, you need to reapply thermal paste most likely

3.) Is all of your intakes covered in dust, same for your heat sinks?

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yeah this game pounds cpu resources. really hard.

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25 minutes ago, jonesoliveira07 said:

Hi guys,

 

A few days ago i bought and play Assassin's Creed Odyssey and i feel the heat in my desk, that momment i think turn able OSD and see the temperature in ºC, i see 90ºC~100ºC in my CPU and GPU i jump of my seat like a pilot in ejection.

 

My primary specs

CPU: Intel I7 4790 1150 Core 3,6ghz/8mb Box i7-4790

CPU Cooler: Stock by Intel (very bad i know)

GPU: VGA EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DDR5X PCI-E 08G-P4-6181-KR

PSU: Corsair 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular RM850X - CP-9020093

HD: 1x HD Seagate SATA 3,5´ BarraCuda 4TB 5400RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6Gb/s - ST4000DM004  1x HD Seagate SATA 3,5' 1TB

SSD: 1x SSD Kingston 2.5´ 240GB UV400 SATA III SUV400S37/240G

Mobo:Asus Mother board H81m-cs/br

 

It's possible to fix the overheating?

 

I play other games and CPU and GPU temperature stay in 60ºC~70ºC after much hours played.

 

I bought a few momments ago 2 fans 120mm and a watercooling system to prey a god to lower this temperatures, but i don't have faith in gods, for this i call you guys.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Well, it's not surprising that the CPU is pretty warm with the stock cooler, since my 4770 just about stays cool even with the intel not-so-stock chode (aka TS15A) that I have cooling my cpu. Get a £15 tower cooler or a not-so-stock chode and you'll be able to fix this problem. Though I guess if your CPU is hitting max turbo there's no real reason to upgrade coolers.

 

GPUs are usually relatively happy at 70c tbh, I wouldn't be too alarmed.

 

What case are you using, and what's your fan config on that case?

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21 minutes ago, jonesoliveira07 said:

It's possible to fix the overheating?

Go buy a Hyper 212 Evo, that will stop the cpu from overheating. But unfortunately the 4790 will be a bottleneck for a GTX 1080, no matter what you do. So maybe also consider upgrading.

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3 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Go buy a Hyper 212 Evo, that will stop the cpu from overheating. But unfortunately the 4790 will be a bottleneck for a GTX 1080, no matter what you do. So maybe also consider upgrading.

It's not bad at all. Technically you could get a couple more frames from coffee lake, but the 4790 is a good combo with the 1080

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4 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Go buy a Hyper 212 Evo, that will stop the cpu from overheating.

 

But unfortunately the 4790 will be a bottleneck for a GTX 1080, no matter what you do. So maybe also consider upgrading.

1. He already bought a 240mm AIO, and the 212 evo is trash. The Cryorig m9i costs 20$ and is within 2 degrees. the h7, stomps on the 212s face, 3-5 degree better temps, and looks pretty good unlike the 212 evo.

 

2. There is no bottleneck. 5 fps max prob.

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37 minutes ago, jonesoliveira07 said:

watercooling system

Make sure when you attach the pump to the CPU that you clean the old paste off first so that there are no air bubbles or other discrepancies. What water cooler did you get?

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22 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Go buy a Hyper 212 Evo, that will stop the cpu from overheating. But unfortunately the 4790 will be a bottleneck for a GTX 1080, no matter what you do. So maybe also consider upgrading.

For assassins creed Odyssey the gpu gets hammered really hard so the cpu won't likely bottleneck it since it already can't output that many frames. 

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15 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

and the 212 evo is trash.

Can't imagine where you got that idea from. A 240mm AIO on the other hand is massively over the top for a 4790 non-k.

 

15 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

and looks pretty good

What kind of argument is that...? Not like thats gonna lower the temps or increase performance...

 

15 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

2. There is no bottleneck. 5 fps max prob.

Now thats just bullshit. Please do the people on this forum a favor and actually go look up some benchmarks before you say stuff like this.

 

 

 

The benchmarks in both videos show massive differences, a delta sometimes upwards of 60 fps. Also both tested an overclocked 4770k, whereas the 4790 can't be oc'd and therefor will be even slower. The 4790 is pretty comparable to a non-oc'd 4770k

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33 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

For assassins creed Odyssey the gpu gets hammered really hard so the cpu won't likely bottleneck it since it already can't output that many frames. 

Digital Foundrys testing and benchmarks suggest otherwise.

Odyssey is extremely cpu intensive, especially bc of the drm crap. Also you might have forgotten that the 4790 doesn't oc, uses ddr3 ram and only features 8 threads. Benchmarks suggest that you'd need a minimum of 12 threads at reasonable high clock speeds to not bottleneck a 1070, so a 1080 will definitley be bottlenecked with a 4790.

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3 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

 Benchmarks suggest that you'd need a minimum of 12 threads at reasonable high clock speeds to not bottleneck a 1070

The clocks I get, but the thread count? Where does that come from? So the generation that Pascal launched, with the 7700k as the top CPU, all cards 1070 and up were bottlenecked?

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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58 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's probably just thermal paste dried to crisps

i replaced a 3 weeks o 4 weeks ago

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55 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

1 .) if you are feeling it in your desk, the heat, is your PC Tower in a cabinet on/under the desk?  That's no good for airflow and temps.

2.) Like above, you need to reapply thermal paste most likely

3.) Is all of your intakes covered in dust, same for your heat sinks?

1 - my PC Tower is above the desk not under. (i preefer Always on top)

2 - Yes i did a 3 or 4 weeks ago

3 - I cleaned one week ago ( i have 2 kittens and live closed to beach, but the salt is not a problem, in my street have a buildings much high then block the Wind (sorry for my english, really sorry)

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45 minutes ago, ibabyslapper said:

Well, it's not surprising that the CPU is pretty warm with the stock cooler, since my 4770 just about stays cool even with the intel not-so-stock chode (aka TS15A) that I have cooling my cpu. Get a £15 tower cooler or a not-so-stock chode and you'll be able to fix this problem. Though I guess if your CPU is hitting max turbo there's no real reason to upgrade coolers.

 

GPUs are usually relatively happy at 70c tbh, I wouldn't be too alarmed.

 

What case are you using, and what's your fan config on that case?

I have a bluecase gamer bg-023 (not famous, much basic) and have a cpu fan (intel stock) and one fan in back (8mm)

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Just now, jonesoliveira07 said:

I have a bluecase gamer bg-023 (not famous, much basic) and have a cpu fan (intel stock) and one fan in back (8mm)

Then it may be worth adding some fans to your case to help airflow.

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41 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Go buy a Hyper 212 Evo, that will stop the cpu from overheating. But unfortunately the 4790 will be a bottleneck for a GTX 1080, no matter what you do. So maybe also consider upgrading.

It's late, my best friend talked for half an hour about how much he liked the water cooler, and this made me automatically buy the same water cooler that he uses (sorry for my english)

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9 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

So the generation that Pascal launched, with the 7700k as the top CPU, all cards 1070 and up were bottlenecked?

Not exactly. As far as I can remember their testing used an oc'd Ryzen 7 1700x paired to the 1070 and the 7th/8th gen. Intel chips still have an ipc advantage over Ryzen. But apparently the DRM stuff really hammers quad-core cpus, even ones with hyper-threading.

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Just now, jonesoliveira07 said:

It's late, my best friend talked for half an hour about how much he liked the water cooler, and this made me automatically buy the same water cooler that he uses (sorry for my english)

All good, that just means your cpu will stay even cooler. Might be a bit overkill, but definitely not a bad thing when it comes to performance

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28 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Make sure when you attach the pump to the CPU that you clean the old paste off first so that there are no air bubbles or other discrepancies. What water cooler did you get?

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11 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Hardware Unboxed's testing and benchmarks suggest otherwise.

Odyssesy is extremely cpu intensive, especially bc of the drm crap. Also you might have forgotten that the 4790 doesn't oc, uses ddr3 ram and only features 8 threads. Benchmarks suggest that you'd need a minimum of 12 threads at reasonable high clock speeds to not bottleneck a 1070, so a 1080 will definitley be bottlenecked with a 4790.

Dear Jesus, that's a bad story.

 

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6 minutes ago, ibabyslapper said:

Then it may be worth adding some fans to your case to help airflow.

i change for a new casemod X-Trike Bi-Turbo 636B (because this have spaces to put the fans of water cooler)

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5 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

All good, that just means your cpu will stay even cooler. Might be a bit overkill, but definitely not a bad thing when it comes to performance 

Thank you very much, my friend will be able to come back alive to your house, I was going to hunt the b@st@rd

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