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19 minutes ago, Mugenjynn said:

At what range do GPU’s start killing consoles (at what gpu do we began performing better)?

For example - Xbox One is powered by an AMD "Jaguar" Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) with two quad-core modules totaling eight x86-64 cores clocked at 1.75 GHz, and 8 GB of DDR3 RAM with a memory bandwidth of 68.3 GB/s. (this is a 2016 APU which is a CPU and GPU as one)

 

That's a damn APU.  No one should ever game on an APU.  Ever.  BUT - because optimization with direct x type stuff, and how its completely optimized for that chip ALONE and how that chip operates within the environment of an Xbox One is how they get 60fps in games like Fortnite.

 

You try Fortnite with that setup as a PC in an Ryzen 2200g (newer APU) or something...Im just not sure it would even be worth playing, with only 8 gb of RAM...your OS and background stuff is going to suck up some of that etc - starting to make sense I hope!

At what range do GPU’s start killing consoles (at what gpu do we began performing better)?

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7 minutes ago, Mugenjynn said:

At what range do GPU’s start killing consoles (at what gpu do we began performing better)?

Consoles are optimized for the games they run, without an OS in the mix - so comparing them isn't necessarily apples to apples - its apples to oranges.  PC's are optimized for as much compatibility as possible across a range of parts.

 

Theres also the resolution thing they can do - I did the research over a year ago cant remember it all. 

 

Best to list what Console you are trying to emulate PC performance wise

 

Just a heads up, its VERY difficult to get Console Xbox 360's emulated to PC (or newer) because the optimization isn't for PC.  Hell getting a playable Mario 64 on PC is damn near impossible and with that being said you cant even get it to render completely.

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7 minutes ago, Mugenjynn said:

At what range do GPU’s start killing consoles (at what gpu do we began performing better)?

when you get a Geforce 256 

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19 minutes ago, Mugenjynn said:

At what range do GPU’s start killing consoles (at what gpu do we began performing better)?

For example - Xbox One is powered by an AMD "Jaguar" Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) with two quad-core modules totaling eight x86-64 cores clocked at 1.75 GHz, and 8 GB of DDR3 RAM with a memory bandwidth of 68.3 GB/s. (this is a 2016 APU which is a CPU and GPU as one)

 

That's a damn APU.  No one should ever game on an APU.  Ever.  BUT - because optimization with direct x type stuff, and how its completely optimized for that chip ALONE and how that chip operates within the environment of an Xbox One is how they get 60fps in games like Fortnite.

 

You try Fortnite with that setup as a PC in an Ryzen 2200g (newer APU) or something...Im just not sure it would even be worth playing, with only 8 gb of RAM...your OS and background stuff is going to suck up some of that etc - starting to make sense I hope!

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1 hour ago, Mugenjynn said:

At what range do GPU’s start killing consoles (at what gpu do we began performing better)?

Depends on the COnsole you are taking about.

The normal/Slim ones or the Premium ones.

The Premium ones are rather hard with RX480 and GTX 1070.

The normal ones are a bit sooner as they have something like a Radeon HD7800 series...

And here from the Shader the Ryzen 5 2400G with VEGA 11 is already in the range of the Original XBox One, though has far lower bandwith than the One...

 

53 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

That's a damn APU.  No one should ever game on an APU.  Ever.  BUT - because optimization with direct x type stuff, and how its completely optimized for that chip ALONE and how that chip operates within the environment of an Xbox One is how they get 60fps in games like Fortnite.

That's bullshit and that Chinese Console Style Computer thingy with GDDR5 Main Memory proves you wrong.

The Problem with Desktop APUs is that they are bandwith starved.

see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KSJg2sqJM

 

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13381/subor-z-console-pc-hybrid-fireflight

53 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

You try Fortnite with that setup as a PC in an Ryzen 2200g (newer APU) or something...Im just not sure it would even be worth playing, with only 8 gb of RAM...your OS and background stuff is going to suck up some of that etc - starting to make sense I hope!

You don't seem to know too much about the stuff, so why are you bashing the consoles?!

 

Especially because there is something you are missing: Optimization. The Software on PC is not optimized for a unified memory pool. the stuff on the Console is. 

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