Upgrading *opinions wanted*

[nojevive]

So as of now I'm rocking a 4th gen i5 4670 (not K) 16 gig's of ddr3 and my good old Asus gtx760. This is running my 1080p 144hz monitor, and I have to say I am not unimpressed as to how good it is handeling the healthy helping of gaming I put on it's plate. I however, recently got my first 'job' (still in school though) and am looking to upgrade my pc!

 

So here is what I really want: I want to be able to run most new games on high-ultra settings at 2K (1440p) at high framerates (1440p 144hz gsync-> so at least well above 60fps) because in my opinion once you go 144hz, you never go back 

 

What I would like to know from you guys is the following:

-what GPU would meet my criteria? (and possibly future proof me)

-will a new (possibly 9th gen) i5 be enough. Or should I consider an i7?

-any other points you might bring up to further help me!

 

If I would end up buying an older pascal based card, I would not go lower than the performance of a 1080ti.  So say I wait for RTX, what equivalent (in performance) should I pick?

 

 

2 more things: I know one of you is probably just going to suggest getting a new RTX 2080ti, but this is crossing my line of 'heck this is too expensive' so please consider a max budget around 800 euro's.

And 2nd, I live in Europe so keep in mind prices are different than msrp in America.

 

Thanks in advance!

Edited September 2, 2018 by nojevive

[mikedrewsmy]

12 minutes ago, nojevive said:

So as of now I'm rocking a 4th gen i5 4670 (not K) 16 gig's of ddr3 and my good old Asus gtx760. This is running my 1080p 144hz monitor, and I have to say I am not unimpressed as to how good it is handeling the healthy helping of gaming I put on it's plate. I however, recently got my first 'job' (still in school though) and am looking to upgrade my pc!

 

So here is what I really want: I want to be able to run most new games on high-ultra settings at 2K (1440p) at high framerates (1440p 144hz gsync-> so at least well above 60fps) because in my opinion once you go 144hz, you never go back 

 

What I would like to know from you guys is the following:

-what GPU would meet my criteria? (and possibly future proof me)

-will a new (possibly 9th gen) i5 be enough. Or should I consider an i7?

-any other points you might bring up to further help me!

 

2 more things: I know one of you is probably just going to suggest getting a new RTX 2080ti, but this is crossing my line of 'heck this is too expensive' so please consider a max budget around 800 euro's.

And 2nd, I live in Europe so keep in mind prices are different than msrp in America.

 

Thanks in advance!

Choose 3 latest games that you want to have those settings at.

[Sfekke]

14 minutes ago, nojevive said:

and possibly future proof me

Ehh never go too far into the future.

You can make sure there is a little power in excess, but don't go overboard.

15 minutes ago, nojevive said:

-will a new (possibly 9th gen) i5 be enough. Or should I consider an i7?

 

If you really want to hit that refresh rate at that resolution, go with the i7 variants with more threads and a higher clockspeed.

The 8700 (non K) should do mighty fine, while not breaking the bank.

 

Graphics card wise, I'd hold out until we know what RTX is.

When they release RTX current GTX prices will plummet, so even if lets say the RTX2070 is too expensive you can always get a GTX1070Ti for a decent price.

 

Like @mikedrewsmy said however, a list of games would greatly help out

[mikedrewsmy]

3 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

Ehh never go too far into the future.

You can make sure there is a little power in excess, but don't go overboard.

If you really want to hit that refresh rate at that resolution, go with the i7 variants with more threads and a higher clockspeed.

The 8700 (non K) should do mighty fine, while not breaking the bank.

 

Graphics card wise, I'd hold out until we know what RTX is.

When they release RTX current GTX prices will plummet, so even if lets say the RTX2070 is too expensive you can always get a GTX1070Ti for a decent price.

 

Like @mikedrewsmy said however, a list of games would greatly help out

 

[Origami Cactus]

27 minutes ago, nojevive said:

I want to be able to run most new games on high-ultra settings at 2K (1440p) at high framerates (1440p 144hz gsync-> so at least well above 60fps)

Can't do that with a 1080ti, i only get about 100fps high at 1440p, on super new games on ultra only about 75, so to get 144hz at 1440p you would need to turn the settings down to high or even medium.

I would wait and see what the 2080ti can do, especially if you can wait.

[Altruist]

9 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Can't do that with a 1080ti, i only get about 100fps high at 1440p, on super new games on ultra only about 75, so to get 144hz at 1440p you would need to turn the settings down to high or even medium.

I would wait and see what the 2080ti can do, especially if you can wait.

isnt the 1700  a bottleneck for the 1080ti?

[Altruist]

Benchmarks at  11:01

 

 

[mikedrewsmy]

Only game i think that can run 1440p at above 144fps is Rise of Tomb Raider.

[Altruist]

2 minutes ago, mikedrewsmy said:

Only game i think that can run 1440p at above 144fps is Rise of Tomb Raider.

have you even watched it?

all games at 1440p

rainbow ultra preset 200fps-165fps

[Origami Cactus]

3 minutes ago, Altruist said:

isnt the 1700  a bottleneck for the 1080ti?

if not overclocked then yes, but mine is overclocked to 3.85, and because gpu usage in games stays between 98-100 % the bottleneck pretty much doesnt exist.

The ryzen cpu bottleneck is only measurable if you were to use a 1080p 240hz monitor, on all higher res it is fine.

[mikedrewsmy]

9 minutes ago, Altruist said:

have you even watched it?

all games at 1440p

rainbow ultra preset 200fps

I don't think a 3 year old game would count as the latest games.

And of course CS:GO would get 200+ fps. That game is so not intensive. Even my UHD 630 would run it at 60fps.
And dude, i also own 2 1080ti's so i should know as well.

[Bananasplit_00]

drop in an I7 4790K and a nice cooler for the CPU. Then wait for the 20xx cards and either get a 1080TI used or a 2080 i guess

[Sfekke]

4 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

drop in an I7 4790K and a nice cooler for the CPU. Then wait for the 20xx cards and either get a 1080TI used or a 2080 i guess

Probably one of the best answers now that OP gave the game list.

From personally using a 4790K I can tell you it performs good enough to get you the gaming performance you are looking for.

I'd wait for the RTX series to come out and new GTX1080Ti prices to drop, they are bound to lower a little once the newer ones release; however that is up to you.

[Bananasplit_00]

7 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

Probably one of the best answers now that OP gave the game list.

From personally using a 4790K I can tell you it performs good enough to get you the gaming performance you are looking for.

I'd wait for the RTX series to come out and new GTX1080Ti prices to drop, they are bound to lower a little once the newer ones release; however that is up to you.

the I7 4790K is still exelent, i have mine paired with a GTX 1080 right now and its never let me down at 1440p(unless the game is a pice of shit like Paladins and i get the same performance as my 1050TI pretty much)

[xg32]

8 hours ago, Altruist said:

isnt the 1700  a bottleneck for the 1080ti?

yes it is, it's just not enough single-thread for higher fps. I'd expect 10-15% more fps on a 8700k at about 5.1. There are videos all over the place for this.  There are also instances where the gpu usage is the same (95-100%) but the 8700k gets a higher fps than a 1700.

 

The 8600k also has this 10% problem in certain games, as the cpu just runs at 100% for far too many games.

[nojevive]

8 hours ago, mikedrewsmy said:

Choose 3 latest games that you want to have those settings at.

I will list a couple of titles I play often:

Rocketleague, Wolfenstein II, World of Tanks, Fortnite, GTAV, Overwatch.

Overall I would say I am a sucker for graphics, so many other titles could qualify.

[xg32]

9 minutes ago, nojevive said:

I will list a couple of titles I play often:

Rocketleague, Wolfenstein II, World of Tanks, Fortnite, GTAV, Overwatch.

Overall I would say I am a sucker for graphics, so many other titles could qualify.

I think you have to consider how much you are willing to pay for the last bit of performance, you could probably get a decent gaming rig with the 2700x (320)+motherboard+ram for about 650usd, we'll just call this the 100fps rig.

 

Then there's the 8700k (350usd)+aftermarket cooler (80)+motherboard+ram for about 750, lets call it the 110fps.

 

or you could wait for the soldered i9 (500usd) +cooler+mobo ram for ~900, u might get more in FUTURE games, as i only see maybe a 5% improvement in gaming over the 8700k.

[nojevive]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

I think you have to consider how much you are willing to pay for the last bit of performance, you could probably get a decent gaming rig with the 2700x (320)+motherboard+ram for about 650usd, we'll just call this the 100fps rig.

 

Then there's the 8700k (350usd)+aftermarket cooler (80)+motherboard+ram for about 750, lets call it the 110fps.

 

or you could wait for the soldered i9 (500usd) +cooler+mobo ram for ~900, u might get more in FUTURE games, as i only see maybe a 5% improvement over the 8700k.

thanks for replying, but my main question is about what gpu to pick! Do you have any opinions on that one?

[xg32]

4 minutes ago, nojevive said:

thanks for replying, but my main question is about what gpu to pick! Do you have any opinions on that one?

oh sorry, got carried away. for 800 euro you should wait for benchmarks then decide between a 1080 ti or a 2080. DLSS will be a thing.since our eyes don't know any better it might be feasible to use DLSS to run games at 144hz for games that support it. So instead of getting 1440p 110fps with the 1080 ti u might be able to get 144fps with DLSS on, it might look a little funny but just sit further away

[nojevive]

Just now, xg32 said:

oh sorry, got carried away. for 800 euro you should wait for benchmarks then decide between a 1080 ti or a 2080. DLSS will be a thing.since our eyes don't know any better it might be feasible to use DLSS to run games at 144hz for games that support it. 

appreciate it! those were my initial thoughts yes. I just want to have this stuff confirmed before going out and buying some $800~ gaming card

[Zeitec]

Basically you're wanting to run high refresh rate 1440p at ultra settings. Yeah your looking at a 1080ti or 2080. It looks like the 2080 will be more or less equal to 1080ti outside of ray tracing and DLAA, but it depends on whether or not you care about those features as to whether or not it's worth the extra money. As for platform I'd just wait until october and grab an i9 9900k or at the very least a 9700k. Skip the i5's altogether at that price bracket. You're already spending upwards of $800 on a graphics card, no sense in cheaping out on an i5. 

[nojevive]

19 hours ago, Zeitec said:

As for platform I'd just wait until october and grab an i9 9900k or at the very least a 9700k. Skip the i5's altogether at that price bracket. You're already spending upwards of $800 on a graphics card, no sense in cheaping out on an i5. 

BWAHAHAHAHHA

duuuude im making 3,50 an hour. have you gone crazy?!

also I am not trying to build a workstation here pal. its just  a gaming rig...

[Zeitec]

2 hours ago, nojevive said:

BWAHAHAHAHHA

duuuude im making 3,50 an hour. have you gone crazy?!

also I am not trying to build a workstation here pal. its just  a gaming rig...

If you're making 3,50 an hour you should probably go for a more modest build like a 1060. It's insane to pair an 800 euro card with an i5. If you can't afford an i7, you can't afford a 1080ti. 

[nojevive]

2 hours ago, Zeitec said:

If you're making 3,50 an hour you should probably go for a more modest build like a 1060. It's insane to pair an 800 euro card with an i5. If you can't afford an i7, you can't afford a 1080ti. 

sorry man but a 9th gen (or 8th gen) i5 or i7 will not bottleneck a 1080ti or 2080...

unless oc you plan on video editing or heavy workloads. but if you read the original comment you will know I'm building a gaming pc here.

[Zeitec]

7 hours ago, nojevive said:

sorry man but a 9th gen (or 8th gen) i5 or i7 will not bottleneck a 1080ti or 2080...

unless oc you plan on video editing or heavy workloads. but if you read the original comment you will know I'm building a gaming pc here.

If that's what you want to do, that's fine. However I think it's a very unwise choice to skimp on a CPU in favour of a GPU considering graphics hardware becomes obscelete much more quickly and is much easier to replace than CPU hardware. If you go with a 9600k instead of say a 9900k, your PC will already be at the end of the line with no upgrade paths because you're already pushing your CPU about as hard as you can by pairing it with a GPU that's already probably a touch to fast for it to keep up with in certain games. You'll either have to buy a 9900k, or replace your entire PC before upgrading anything. However if you go with a 9900k and a 2070, your current game performance will probably be about 20% worse, but instead of having to replace the entire system, you can just plop in a 3080 or 4080 and be off to the races. 

 

I'm saying this because back in 2013 I went for an i5 3570k and 7970 instead of the 3770k and 7950. I wish I had gone for the 3770k because within just over a year the 7970 was replaced with a 780ti, but I was stuck with that 3570k and had to replace my entire system to go to a 1080. If I had gone for the 3770k and 7950 it would have been 20% slower at the time, but I wouldn't have had to replace the entire system to go to a new GPU.