6850k or 6950x

[Shadow_Storm56]

So let's say my 6850k had a hot supper, it worked well for me in the past but I always like to upgrade stuff... do I get another 6850k? Or a 6950x? 6950x is ungodly expensive is the hard part. Also if I get the new CPU and it ends up being the board then what do I do with the spare chip? 

[Enderman]

Neither, they are both outdated.

[Shadow_Storm56]

Just now, Enderman said:

Neither, they are both outdated.

........ I'm not spending thousands and thousands for all new water blocks and a new board.... plus how are they outdated? Sure there a couple years old but like even with the 6850k I could run 2 different streams with 2 instances of obs plus play the game on 3 screens at max settings and still not max the chip.... like...  if I buy new stuff it'll be outdated by Christmas so what is the point ? 

[Fasauceome]

6950x has 69 in it, so how can you turn it down?

honestly it's a matter of it you can fit it in the budget. Also, are multi threaded workloads common for you, or just gaming?

You also want to see if you can verify what's broken (mobo vs CPU)

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Neither, they are both outdated.

also, don't listen to people like this. it's a mere 2 generations old, hardly obsolete.

[Enderman]

Just now, Shadow_Storm56 said:

........ I'm not spending thousands and thousands for all new water blocks and a new board.... plus how are they outdated? Sure there a couple years old but like even with the 6850k I could run 2 different streams with 2 instances of obs plus play the game on 3 screens at max settings and still not max the chip.... like...  if I buy new stuff it'll be outdated by Christmas so what is the point ? 

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The point is don't buy anything until you can afford a little bit more for current gen hardware, or just don't upgrade at all and be happy with what you've got if that's still working for you.

Don't "upgrade" to an extremely old CPU just for the sake of changing a part.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

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The point is don't buy anything until you can afford a little bit more for current gen hardware, or just don't upgrade at all and be happy with what you've got if that's still working for you.

Don't "upgrade" to an extremely old CPU just for the sake of changing a part.

"extremely old CPU" 

boi

[Enderman]

7 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

also, don't listen to people like this. it's a mere 2 generations old, hardly obsolete.

It is 4 generations old.

Current gen is 9000 ( I say current because it's literally weeks away)

Last gen was 8700k

Two gens old is 7700k

Three gens old is 6700k

Four gens old is 5770C (which is labeled as 6000 for the extreme edition CPUs, despite being the same architecture)

 

Extreme edition was always 1000 ahead in the naming scheme despite being of the same architecture as the previous generation.

The 6950x is still 14nm broadwell from 3 years ago.

Computer hardware evolves quickly.

[Snipergod87]

Its not that old, sure it isn't as fast as a 8700k but it still a good chip, I would say get another 6850 is the 6950x is out of budget.  Depending on how the CPU died you could attempt a RMA.

 

Don't forget to check used second hard markets.

[Shadow_Storm56]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

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The point is don't buy anything until you can afford a little bit more for current gen hardware, or just don't upgrade at all and be happy with what you've got if that's still working for you.

Don't "upgrade" to an extremely old CPU just for the sake of changing a part.

Ok you have a bit of a point..... mainly because it's actually cheaper to go x299 with a new board and like a 79xx somthing

[Shadow_Storm56]

1 minute ago, Snipergod87 said:

Its not that old, sure it isn't as fast as a 8700k but it still a good chip, I would say get another 6850 is the 6950x is out of budget.  Depending on how the CPU died you could attempt a RMA.

It died from reapplying thermal paste 

[Shadow_Storm56]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

It is 4 generations old.

Current gen is 9000 ( I say current because it's literally weeks away)

Last gen was 8700k

Two gens old is 7700k

Three gens old is 6700k

Four gens old is 5770C (which is labeled as 6000 for the extreme edition CPUs, despite being the same architecture)

 

Extreme edition was always 1000 ahead in the naming scheme despite being of the same architecture as the previous generation.

 

  ..... so should I wait for 9000? Lol

[Snipergod87]

1 minute ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

Ok you have a bit of a point..... mainly because it's actually cheaper to go x299 with a new board and like a 79xx somthing

Unless you need the PCI-Express lanes and you wanted to do an upgrade, wait for the 9900k (8 core 16 thread) and get a Z390 motherboard, overall cheaper platform, re-use the DDR4.

 

Either way getting a used 6850 is going to be the cheapest route if that matters.

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Enderman said:

It is 4 generations old.

Current gen is 9000 ( I say current because it's literally weeks away)

Last gen was 8700k

Two gens old is 7700k

Three gens old is 6700k

Four gens old is 5770C (which is labeled as 6000 for the extreme edition CPUs, despite being the same architecture)

 

Extreme edition was always 1000 ahead in the naming scheme despite being of the same architecture as the previous generation.

 

it's a refined version of the architecture to increase multi threaded possibility. It's more efficient so it has higher clocks and IPC.

Besides, what exactly do you think is the difference in performance between that and current gen? a 6950x and an 8700k would be awful similar in games, and there's an obvious advantage in streaming and other multithreaded workloads

[Shadow_Storm56]

Just now, Snipergod87 said:

Unless you need the PCI-Express lanes and you wanted to do an upgrade, wait for the 9900k (8 core 16 thread) and get a Z390 motherboard, overall cheaper platform, re-use the DDR4

I like PCI lanes. 

[Enderman]

Just now, Shadow_Storm56 said:

  ..... so should I wait for 9000? Lol

Yeah because it is either great, and you can get 8 cores 16 threads with the best single core performance for an affordable price, or you can get an 8700k for cheap on the used market.

Or get AMD, that's always an option.

[WereCat]

With the current prices of TR 1st gen 1900X and 1920X I would not really bother to invest more money in X99. 

 

EDIT:

UNLESS you can get a good deal on the CPU. 

[Snipergod87]

Just now, fasauceome said:

it's a refined version of the architecture to increase multi threaded possibility. It's more efficient so it has higher clocks and IPC.

Besides, what exactly do you think is the difference in performance between that and current gen? a 6950x and an 8700k would be awful similar in games, and there's an obvious advantage in streaming and other multithreaded workloads

8700k will be better in games unless the game can use more than 6 cores/ 12 threads, higher IPC and sheer clockrate make a difference.

Now if you do other workloads to like streaming than a 6950x would be better but still overkill.

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Shadow_Storm56 said:

I like PCI lanes. 

if that's the case, x299 might not be a bad idea. You'll also still have quad channel memory, and firther upgrade support.

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

it's a refined version of the architecture to increase multi threaded possibility. It's more efficient so it has higher clocks and IPC.

Besides, what exactly do you think is the difference in performance between that and current gen? a 6950x and an 8700k would be awful similar in games, and there's an obvious advantage in streaming and other multithreaded workloads

It's broadwell, and it's 14nm.

The generation is still 3 behind.

It is not "more efficient" and have "higher clocks" it is an enthusiast CPU...

Were you not around when it was released?

It has a higher TDP and lower clocks because it has more cores than the consumer CPUs.

 

And here's the performance difference between generations if you care to see:

 

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Snipergod87 said:

8700k will be better in games unless the game can use more than 6 cores/ 12 threads, higher IPC and sheer clockrate make a difference.

Now if you do other workloads to like streaming than a 6950x would be better but still overkill.

he said he has a waterblock for his CPU so he's probably clock for clock with an 8700k. On top of that, the IPC difference is minimal, resulting in no tangible gaming performance.

[Snipergod87]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

if that's the case, x299 might not be a bad idea. You'll also still have quad channel memory, and firther upgrade support.

I imagine we will see 1 more generation on X299 if intel keeps up with its history.

Also we should see some in-silicon mitigations to Spectre and Meltdown with the 9th gen I believe, less of a performance impact.

[Shadow_Storm56]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yeah because it is either great, and you can get 8 cores 16 threads with the best single core performance for an affordable price, or you can get an 8700k for cheap on the used market.

Or get AMD, that's always an option.

Although that means I have to wait weeks for a  CPU..... hmmm

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Enderman said:

It's broadwell, and it's 14nm.

The generation is still 3 behind.

It is not "more efficient" and have "higher clocks" it is an enthusiast CPU...

Were you not around when it was released?

It has a higher TDP and lower clocks because it has more cores than the consumer CPUs.

 

And here's the performance difference between generations if you care to see:

 

It's broadwell-E.

Did you forget that coffee lake is also 14nm?

If they didn't refine the architecture, the chips would be even lower clock speed. These CPUs can run well in excess of 4.4 GHz on ALL CORES with very low voltage on just a tower cooler.

[Enderman]

Just now, Shadow_Storm56 said:

Although that means I have to wait weeks for a  CPU..... hmmm

Do you not have a working computer to use in the meantime?

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yeah because it is either great, and you can get 8 cores 16 threads with the best single core performance for an affordable price, or you can get an 8700k for cheap on the used market.

Or get AMD, that's always an option.

8 cores 16 threads is only for highest end 9900k 

9000 series is a joke and I would definitely skip that