Rural Area Internet

[bjohn330]

Im needing internet where i live thats fast enough for online gaming and streaming. Only cable option is comcast and they wont come up my drive because its too long. I offered to pay and its still a no go. Satellite internet is too slow. I currently have hughesnet but im lucky if i get 300 kb/s. When it rains it doesnt exist. Is there any option to get high speed internet where i live? Im willing to build or buy to get this done. 

[r4tch3t]

Build a box at the boundry, run ethernet and power through a conduit, voila. 

[bjohn330]

How much would that take for about 2100 feet?

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

How much would that take for about 2100 feet?

A lot of digging.

[Taf the Ghost]

10 minutes ago, r4tch3t said:

Build a box at the boundry, run ethernet and power through a conduit, voila. 

 

5 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

How much would that take for about 2100 feet?

At that distance, if you can power the end-point, something like https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP5TS2850&cm_re=Ubiquiti_wifi-_-0ED-0005-001C3-_-Product makes a lot of sense. ~300USD worth of over-air networking equipment (if you have Line of Sight) is a fair bit cheaper than running that much cabling.

[GDRRiley]

6 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

How much would that take for about 2100 feet?

well if its flat use a fixed wireless dish like used here as you would otherwise need fiber or repeaters. 

 

[bjohn330]

8 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

At that distance, if you can power the end-point, something like https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP5TS2850&cm_re=Ubiquiti_wifi-_-0ED-0005-001C3-_-Product makes a lot of sense. ~300USD worth of over-air networking equipment (if you have Line of Sight) is a fair bit cheaper than running that much cabling.

Excuse my ignorance but for this application what would i be connecting to over the air? My current network would not be able to provide 450 mb/s as stated in the product description.

[r4tch3t]

It would be a WiFi link. Would be cheapest. For ethernet 48V PoE should reach that far without repeaters. 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

Excuse my ignorance but for this application what would i be connecting to over the air? My current network would not be able to provide 450 mb/s as stated in the product description.

The specialized Ubuquiti "wifi" is actually a directed radio signal. You're looking at extremely low latency and probably full bandwidth over that type of distance. The issue would be line of sight and having power at the "box". 

 

Basically, you'd have a Cable Modem + router "box" at the beginning of your property, then you would network it to your house via the specialized radio network. Watch the video posted in the thread by @GDRRiley . You would need to find a way to get power out at the "box" (likely some branch off your normal power system, so that'd take some work), but you'd have to do that in almost any cable run like this anyway. 2100 feet is a long way to run any powered cable system.

[Donut417]

23 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

How much would that take for about 2100 feet?

You need to run fiber for that distance. Ethernet is only good up to 300 feet or so, after that you need repeaters. You also have to make sure what ever shed or building  you put there has power. Im surprised Comcast would do it for money. Id say they could have gotten at least $50,000 from you to get this done. My guess at that distance they needed to drop new fiber and a node, so its not worth their time. 

 

This is the reason I live in the city. Rural areas always have shit internet. The only other option to you is check the franchise agreement. Sometimes there are stipulations that force them to connect you to their network. But that depends on the agreement. 

[bjohn330]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The specialized Ubuquiti "wifi" is actually a directed radio signal. You're looking at extremely low latency and probably full bandwidth over that type of distance. The issue would be line of sight and having power at the "box". 

 

Basically, you'd have a Cable Modem + router "box" at the beginning of your property, then you would network it to your house via the specialized radio network. Watch the video posted in the thread by @GDRRiley . You would need to find a way to get power out at the "box" (likely some branch off your normal power system, so that'd take some work), but you'd have to do that in almost any cable run like this anyway. 2100 feet is a long way to run any powered cable system.

Ah ok. So im still using cable at the road but instead of using ethernet and power lines all 2100 feet, im using power at the box by some means and dish to send signal back to house through radio waves. I dont have line of sight directly to house but would it work if i directed above trees on both ends?

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, bjohn330 said:

Ah ok. So im still using cable at the road but instead of using ethernet and power lines all 2100 feet, im using power at the box by some means and dish to send signal back to house through radio waves. I dont have line of sight directly to house but would it work if i directed above trees on both ends?

yep. it should be able to cut somewhat through trees but its best if you can to get them out of the sight line.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, bjohn330 said:

Ah ok. So im still using cable at the road but instead of using ethernet and power lines all 2100 feet, im using power at the box by some means and dish to send signal back to house through radio waves. I dont have line of sight directly to house but would it work if i directed above trees on both ends?

For the stuff that doesn't cause problems, you need LoS. However, that doesn't mean the two-way antenna has to be right at the house. You can run 100+ feet of Cat6 cable if you need to without too much issue.

 

But you do have the idea. You'd have an Internet Connection setup at the edge of your property, then you'd use other means to get that data to your home.

[Taf the Ghost]

7 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

yep. it should be able to cut somewhat through trees but its best if you can to get them out of the sight line.

 

9 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

Ah ok. So im still using cable at the road but instead of using ethernet and power lines all 2100 feet, im using power at the box by some means and dish to send signal back to house through radio waves. I dont have line of sight directly to house but would it work if i directed above trees on both ends?

I believe you can also Daisy-Chain systems. So you'd have a middle-point that reroutes, but that's a bit more complicated. (Mostly as you'd need to power them at the re-route point, somehow.)

[bjohn330]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

For the stuff that doesn't cause problems, you need LoS. However, that doesn't mean the two-way antenna has to be right at the house. You can run 100+ feet of Cat6 cable if you need to without too much issue.

 

But you do have the idea. You'd have an Internet Connection setup at the edge of your property, then you'd use other means to get that data to your home.

That could be plausible. The power company has had to install three power poles from road to yard. One of the poles i believe is 100 to 200 feet away from house then is direct sight of road.

[Taf the Ghost]

7 minutes ago, bjohn330 said:

That could be plausible. The power company has had to install three power poles from road to yard. One of the poles i believe is 100 to 200 feet away from house then is direct sight of road.

Gonna have fun with a measuring tape, haha.

 

Actually, it's not really mentioned much in the video, but when LTT went to Deadmaus's place, they actually have the exact type of setup we're talking about. He just has his up on a 103 foot tower. 

 

No joke.

 

You don't need that much, but it's also a Ubiquiti setup. That video is actually how I knew this was the approach you wanted.

 

[bjohn330]

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Gonna have fun with a measuring tape, haha.

 

Actually, it's not really mentioned much in the video, but when LTT went to Deadmaus's place, they actually have the exact type of setup we're talking about. He just has his up on a 103 foot tower. 

 

No joke.

 

You don't need that much, but it's also a Ubiquiti setup. That video is actually how I knew this was the approach you wanted.

 

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. Im just ready to finally have decent internet. Time to get building. Who said forums were toxic?

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, bjohn330 said:

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. Im just ready to finally have decent internet. Time to get building. Who said forums were toxic?

Glad to help. And this is something of an offbeat type of project, but it sounds fun.

 

Just don't electrocute yourself. You also probably will need some sort of powerful laser pointer you can attach to the network dishes, so you can focus one before you focus the other. That was LTT's big mistake.

[keskparane]

I have installed quite a few rural wifi networks. I would say dishes are overkill. For that distance a decent omni or yagi behind a standard router should be fine for transmission. With either you could probably even just pick up wifi from a router inside the house without having to to bother with anything external. Sure where not talking optimal but if you couldn't get 5Mbps I'd be surprised.

[r4tch3t]

I found this, might be of help. 

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/156031/very-long-distance-ethernet-connection-for-internet-and-other-data-2000-feet

[Alex Atkin UK]

13 hours ago, keskparane said:

I have installed quite a few rural wifi networks. I would say dishes are overkill. For that distance a decent omni or yagi behind a standard router should be fine for transmission. With either you could probably even just pick up wifi from a router inside the house without having to to bother with anything external. Sure where not talking optimal but if you couldn't get 5Mbps I'd be surprised.

True, but Ubiquiti kit uses a custom WiFi protocol that is far more reliable than standard WiFi when used for a point-to-point link like this.  Its intended to work as corporate backhaul or for wISPs.

So if you want low-latency, optimum speed and to not have drop outs during adverse weather, its the best alternative to running fibre.