Gaming/Productivity CPU needed

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, Arcana said:

best performance and best solution but what brand should i take and what mhz is the minimum ill get

The Minimum I'd recommend would be something like 2666

Although I only have DDR4-2400 myself, though 16GiB (2x8). 

 

The Label on the Chips don't really matter as there are only a hand full of Chipmakers left (Micron, Samsung, SKHynix, don't know about Elpida). 

The best for AMD right now are the so called Samsung B-Die ones...

And also it looks like there aren't many different PCB for the Chips out there either. I tried to compare the DDR-2 Sticks I have with each other and it looks like they had identical PCBs, though the color might differ. It was the same with DDR3. 

 

So I'd suspect that the plans to the PCB could be made by JEDEC as well or there is only one company manufacturing the Memory PCBs or even the whole sticks...

 

 

But personally, I'd prefer Kingston if possible. 

 

6 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

probaly thats right but single channel on ryten is janky af... comes down to how long op needs to make his saecond purchase

Well, isn't that Always the case?

So I'd not reduce it to ryzen but to all more modern CPU Architecture. I don't know if Intel Changed it but AMD Changed the Memory Controller of the K10 (Phenom) dramatically, so that the CPU can access each memory channel individually, I have no idea if Intel can do the same or uses the classical Dual Channel access pattern.

With that, its probable that AMD gains more from the second channel than the other do...

Or looses more from Dual Channel to Single Channel, depending on how you look at it.

 

But you are right, it all comes down to how long he has to wait.

 

If its a month or two, maybe 3 I'd go for one Stick.

If it is longer than 3 Months, I'd go with two sticks.

[Arcana]

4 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

I'm totally calm.  And I didn't say anything about power draw.  I'm talking about the vrms on the motherboard.  But that's fine, if op has any more questions ask me.

does it matter if you go for AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU? and I'm asking for what brand or cheap should i get 8gb and what mhz should i get?

[Biggerboot]

Just now, Arcana said:

does it matter if you go for AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU? and I'm asking for what brand or cheap should i get 8gb and what mhz should i get?

Red and green play together just fine.

 

I'll look for some ram for you, but I generally use PCPP.  Are you in the US?

[Arcana]

2 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

Red and green play together just fine.

 

I'll look for some ram for you, but I generally use PCPP.  Are you in the US?

im from philippines

[Biggerboot]

Just now, Arcana said:

im from philippines

Let me know what stores you use.

[Metallus97]

4 minutes ago, Arcana said:

does it matter if you go for AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU? and I'm asking for what brand or cheap should i get 8gb and what mhz should i get?

AMD CPU works allso fine woth Nvidea gpu

MHZ: >=2660

[Biggerboot]

8 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

So I'd not reduce it to ryzen but to all more modern CPU Architecture. I don't know if Intel Changed it but AMD Changed the Memory Controller of the K10 (Phenom) dramatically, so that the CPU can access each memory channel individually, I have no idea if Intel can do the same or uses the classical Dual Channel access pattern.

I don't know that much in-depth but I thought the infinity fabric had something to do with it.  Either way, overclockable ram isn't too much more expensive than the stock, especially now that 2666 is becoming more standard.  But I do recall on Ryzen APUs, dual channel made a pretty big difference.

[Arcana]

5 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

Let me know what stores you use.

they dont have site or any price list, i need to order first and downpayment

[Metallus97]

2 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

  But I do recall on Ryzen APUs, dual channel made a pretty big difference.

Hell it did! But becasue of the iGPU

[Biggerboot]

7 minutes ago, Arcana said:

they dont have site or any price list, i need to order first and downpayment

Ah, well as far as ram goes, brand isn't that important.  I would just make sure the cas latency is low enough to the speed of the ram, and that the brand you're buying is well known enough that they stand by their product.

So for ram that's 2666mhz, I'd shoot for cas15.  2933 or 3000mhz, at least cas16, etc.

[Arcana]

2 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

Ah, well as far as ram brand isn't that important.  I would just make sure the cas latency is low enough to the speed of the ram, and that the brand you're buying is well known enough that they stand by their product.

So for ram that's 2666mhz, I'd shoot for cas15.  2933 or 3000mhz, at least cas16, etc.

okay thanks, other motherboards have limited RAM mhz right? so i need to look a motherboard that can handle 2933 or 3000mhz?

[Metallus97]

1 minute ago, Arcana said:

okay thanks, other motherboards have limited RAM mhz right? so i need to look a motherboard that can handle 2933 or 3000mhz?

idd guess close to every mobo nowerdays (with updated bios!) will support those frequencies

[Biggerboot]

1 minute ago, Arcana said:

okay thanks, other motherboards have limited RAM mhz right? so i need to look a motherboard that can handle 2933 or 3000mhz?

Yeah, but most Ryzen boards should support those speeds.  It should be listed on the board's product page.

[Arcana]

3 hours ago, Biggerboot said:

Yeah, but most Ryzen boards should support those speeds.  It should be listed on the board's product page.

Alright one last question, does ryzen 5 2600 bottlenecks my GTX 970?

[Metallus97]

Just now, Arcana said:

Alright one last question, does ryzen 5 2600 bottlenecks my GTX 970?

nope

[Arcana]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

The Minimum I'd recommend would be something like 2666

Although I only have DDR4-2400 myself, though 16GiB (2x8). 

 

The Label on the Chips don't really matter as there are only a hand full of Chipmakers left (Micron, Samsung, SKHynix, don't know about Elpida). 

The best for AMD right now are the so called Samsung B-Die ones...

And also it looks like there aren't many different PCB for the Chips out there either. I tried to compare the DDR-2 Sticks I have with each other and it looks like they had identical PCBs, though the color might differ. It was the same with DDR3. 

 

So I'd suspect that the plans to the PCB could be made by JEDEC as well or there is only one company manufacturing the Memory PCBs or even the whole sticks...

 

 

But personally, I'd prefer Kingston if possible. 

 

Well, isn't that Always the case?

So I'd not reduce it to ryzen but to all more modern CPU Architecture. I don't know if Intel Changed it but AMD Changed the Memory Controller of the K10 (Phenom) dramatically, so that the CPU can access each memory channel individually, I have no idea if Intel can do the same or uses the classical Dual Channel access pattern.

With that, its probable that AMD gains more from the second channel than the other do...

Or looses more from Dual Channel to Single Channel, depending on how you look at it.

 

But you are right, it all comes down to how long he has to wait.

 

If its a month or two, maybe 3 I'd go for one Stick.

If it is longer than 3 Months, I'd go with two sticks.

Alright one last question, does ryzen 5 2600 bottlenecks my GTX 970?

[Arcana]

Just now, Metallus97 said:

nope

Thanks for fast reponse!

[epsilon84]

Pretty sure a single stick of DDR4 will bottleneck either CPU, but particularly the 2600 as the Ryzen at architecture runs much better on fast memory. 

 

I would highly recommend a 2 X 4GB memory configuration regardless of which CPU you get. If it's around the DDR4 2666 mark you'll get slightly better gaming performance with the i5 8400, but you'll most likely need a GPU upgrade to notice the difference.

 

In terms of productivity, if your program is highly multithreaded then Ryzen 2600 will have a big advantage due to the extra threads. If it can't really take advantage of the extra threads (Photoshop, for example) then the better single thread performance of the 8400 will see it come out ahead

[Metallus97]

Just now, epsilon84 said:

Pretty sure a single stick of DDR4 will bottleneck either CPU, but particularly the 2600 as the Ryzen at architecture runs much better on fast memory. 

 

I would highly recommend a 2 X 4GB memory configuration regardless of which CPU you get. If it's around the DDR4 2666 mark you'll get slightly better gaming performance with the i5 8400, but you'll most likely need a GPU upgrade to notice the difference.

 

In terms of productivity, if your program is highly multithreaded then Ryzen 2600 will have a big advantage due to the extra threads. If it can't really take advantage of the extra threads (Photoshop, for example) then the better single thread performance of the 8400 will see it come out ahead

and in the future you’re better of with ryzen because.... said it before  

[The Torrent]

I hate AMD so from just reading the title 8700k

[The Torrent]

Wait a little while, some roumers 9th gen is hitting October. I’m waiting.

[Metallus97]

5 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

I hate AMD so from just reading the title 8700k

hahahah hahha ok

get outa here 

there are usecases in wich team blue is better and at the time more in wich team red wins and here we have a clear AMD case

you have to accept that boy 

[Arcana]

3 hours ago, epsilon84 said:

Pretty sure a single stick of DDR4 will bottleneck either CPU, but particularly the 2600 as the Ryzen at architecture runs much better on fast memory. 

 

I would highly recommend a 2 X 4GB memory configuration regardless of which CPU you get. If it's around the DDR4 2666 mark you'll get slightly better gaming performance with the i5 8400, but you'll most likely need a GPU upgrade to notice the difference.

 

In terms of productivity, if your program is highly multithreaded then Ryzen 2600 will have a big advantage due to the extra threads. If it can't really take advantage of the extra threads (Photoshop, for example) then the better single thread performance of the 8400 will see it come out ahead

I will buy 2x8gb then. If its going to bottleneck im going to buy i5 7th gen so it wont bottleneck what do you think?

[DarkSmith2]

3 hours ago, Metallus97 said:

hahahah hahha ok

get outa here 

there are usecases in wich team blue is better and at the time more in wich team red wins and here we have a clear AMD case

you have to accept that boy 

Team Red is worse performance wise in everything but 7zip and Cinebench ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i would wait for 9900k..

[Arcana]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Team Red is worse performance wise in everything but 7zip and Cinebench ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i would wait for 9900k..

I cant wait brother. I need to buy asap so i can play with my gtx 970 g1 gaming, if i wait 9900k im pretty sure i cant use my current gpu it will bottleneck hard which i bought 2 days ago