Gaming/Productivity CPU needed

[Arcana]

Hello guys, I'm Building a Parts and i cant choose which is better to paired my Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming, the i5 8400 or the Ryzen 5 2600? Im most of the Games and im using Steam/Browser/Discord/Spotify only.

What do you guys recommend? and also RAM i can only afford 1x8GB DDR4 i dont know what Brand should i choose my budget on RAM is 70$ and also a Motherboard what should i choose? my Budget on motherboard is 65-70$ only. please help me this is my first time to Build Parts by Parts

 

Current i have

 

Monitor: 1080p 60hz 

Case: NZXT Phantom Full Tower

PSU: Seasonic M12-II 520 Evo

SSD: 60gb KINGMAXX (For OS only)

HDD: 500GB HDS721050CLA362
 

[Stefan Payne]

Condolences on the PSU...

Anyway, I'd go for ryzen because more energy efficient as for the Boards, w/o OC, ASUS Prime B350-Plus is an option. With OC you have to spend more on the Board...

[Metallus97]

Defenitely get Ryzen! Cheaper, more (in multithreaded work much more) power and more efficeny. Allso if you dont want to oc the ryzens inculde a perfectly decent heatsink in the box for free.

 

Allso if you can spend the extra bucks.... GET A NEW PSU

[Altruist]

14 minutes ago, Arcana said:

Hello guys, I'm Building a Parts and i cant choose which is better to paired my Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming, the i5 8400 or the Ryzen 5 2600? Im most of the Games and im using Steam/Browser/Discord/Spotify only.

What do you guys recommend? and also RAM i can only afford 1x8GB DDR4 i dont know what Brand should i choose my budget on RAM is 70$ and also a Motherboard what should i choose? my Budget on motherboard is 65-70$ only. please help me this is my first time to Build Parts by Parts

 

Current i have

 

Monitor: 1080p 60hz 

Case: NZXT Phantom Full Tower

PSU: Seasonic M12-II 520 Evo

SSD: 60gb KINGMAXX (For OS only)

HDD: 500GB HDS721050CLA362
 

In gaming, with a 970 you won't notice a difference.

Even if you overclock..

steam, discord and spotify same diff between the two processors

If you multiple applications, open still no difference really....

Ryzen has a good upgrade path by the looks of it.

You said you game..and browse spotify/discord.... while you game won't make a noticeable difference while you play, at least it hasn't for me, i have a i5 8400 with gtx 1060 6gb

So......Maybe price wise ryzen.. but i got a great b360 mobo for my i5-8400 cheaper then most b350 mobo, but i live in the uk so.

[Biggerboot]

I'd go with Ryzen myself because of the threads per dollar, but you really need to baby it with good ram (dual channel) and a good motherboard. 

 

If you absolutely need to go cheap on your other components then you're better off with the 8400, which will perform a little better in some games plus not needing overclocked ram to do so.

[Arcana]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Condolences on the PSU...

Anyway, I'd go for ryzen because more energy efficient as for the Boards, w/o OC, ASUS Prime B350-Plus is an option. With OC you have to spend more on the Board...

thanks how about the RAM does 8gb is enough for the ryzen 5 2600? im really on tight budget

 

51 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

I'd go with Ryzen myself because of the threads per dollar, but you really need to baby it with good ram (dual channel) and a good motherboard. 

 

If you absolutely need to go cheap on your other components then you're better off with the 8400, which will perform a little better in some games plus not needing overclocked ram to do so.

yeah this is what i thinking because of the other component like 65-70$ Motherboard + RAM i dont know anything about RAM

[Metallus97]

Just now, Arcana said:

yeah this is what i thinking because of the other component like 65-70$ Motherboard + RAM i dont know anything about RAM

there are allso super cheap amd boards! Get 2x4GB kit of ram and down the line get an other one

[Stefan Payne]

5 minutes ago, Arcana said:

thanks how about the RAM does 8gb is enough for the ryzen 5 2600? im really on tight budget

I'd start with 1x8GiB, if possible DDR4-3000 or 3200/3400 but plan on getting the other one ASAP.

 

There are some things you can save on.

For example save the HDD if you don't have one but get the SSD. Because installing the HDD is a thing of like 5minutes while adding an SSD is a thing of a couple of hours and a pain in the neck.

 

Another place to save a buck or two is the Heatsink. You don't necessarily need one right now, you could live with the Boxed one for the moment and upgrade it to a better one later. As most Cases have a cutout for the CPU Area, you don't need to remove the Board, though it makes it far easier than not to.

 

 

You don't have to get everything you want for the system right now, you can still get it later and make it better in the end than if you have to force everything into a tight budget.

 

That's by the way how I normally upgrade my PC. I have a plan of where to go and upgrade it incrementally...

 

there are allso super cheap amd boards! Get 2x4GB kit of ram and down the line get an other one

Well, I'd rather get 1x8GiB now and grab another one later.

While you loose performance right now, you gain it when you install the other one. 4 Sockets reduce the maximum frequency one can archieve....

 

And you don't need no kits, as the Problem with those is that you have to send in the whole kit while if you get the Sticks seperately you can only send in those...

 

Anyway while there are cheap Boards, they are all pretty crappy with 2 Memory Slots and nothing really on it, cheap VRM and so on. I don't feel comfortable to recommend those and rather save on other parts than the Motherboard.

[Biggerboot]

6 minutes ago, Arcana said:

yeah this is what i thinking because of the other component like 65-70$ Motherboard + RAM i dont know anything about RAM

It's kind of a special rule for Ryzen because of the way the architecture works.  It likes faster ram and more bandwidth.  So something in the 2933-3200mhz range should keep it fed.  You can do single channel but it will hold it back somewhat.

 

If you like to upgrade over time then Ryzen is a little better for that.  Spend a little more on a good motherboard because it will probably carry you to the next cpu upgrade.  But if you prefer to build it and forget it, then go the intel route.

[Metallus97]

6 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

I'd start with 1x8GiB, if possible DDR4-3000 or 3200/3400 but plan on getting the other one ASAP.

 

yehhhh but with ryzen dual channel is important!

Idd suggest 2x4GB and then  4x4GB, price is close to no difference and you wont need 32GB for a long time

 

Heatsink: YES! If youre not OCing the AMD boxed one is super fine

 

4 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

 But if you prefer to build it and forget it, then go the intel route.

why?

[Arcana]

5 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

I'd start with 1x8GiB, if possible DDR4-3000 or 3200/3400 but plan on getting the other one ASAP.

 

There are some things you can save on.

For example save the HDD if you don't have one but get the SSD. Because installing the HDD is a thing of like 5minutes while adding an SSD is a thing of a couple of hours and a pain in the neck.

 

Another place to save a buck or two is the Heatsink. You don't necessarily need one right now, you could live with the Boxed one for the moment and upgrade it to a better one later. As most Cases have a cutout for the CPU Area, you don't need to remove the Board, though it makes it far easier than not to.

 

 

You don't have to get everything you want for the system right now, you can still get it later and make it better in the end than if you have to force everything into a tight budget.

 

That's by the way how I normally upgrade my PC. I have a plan of where to go and upgrade it incrementally...

alright maybe ill start with 1x8 but what brand just in-case?

3 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

yehhhh but with ryzen dual channel is important!

Idd suggest 2x4GB and then  4x4GB, price is close to no difference and you wont need 32GB for a long time

 

Heatsink: YES! If youre not OCing the AMD boxed one is super fine

i dont OC i dont have idea about that, maybe ill get 1x8 atm then get another one 8gb when theres another budget

[Biggerboot]

Just now, Metallus97 said:

why?

Some people just want to build a computer and be done with it, and it's cheaper.

[Stefan Payne]

 

Just now, Metallus97 said:

yehhhh but with ryzen dual channel is important!

Idd suggest 2x4GB and then  4x4GB, price is close to no difference and you wont need 32GB for a long time

Yeah, but that's true for all architectures and processors. While Dual Channel is pretty important, if you don't have the money for two sticks right now, I'd rather go for one right now and grap the other one ASAP, when I have saved enough money...

 

There is no good solution in this case and it basically comes down to choose wich way to die.

 

But I think the 1x8 GiB for now and another one later is the better choice in the long run, though it is not now...

And that is the question: do you want the best performance now or the best solution later?

[Metallus97]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

Some people just want to build a computer and be done with it, and it's cheaper.

why ryzern you can do the same lol you dont HAVE to upgrade and ryzen is cheaper

[Biggerboot]

Just now, Metallus97 said:

why ryzern you can do the same lol you dont HAVE to upgrade and ryzen is cheaper

i5 8400 is cheaper and costs less in other parts, so no.

[Metallus97]

Just now, Stefan Payne said:

 

Yeah, but that's true for all architectures and processors. While Dual Channel is pretty important, if you don't have the money for two sticks right now, I'd rather go for one right now and grap the other one ASAP, when I have saved enough money...

 

There is no good solution in this case and it basically comes down to choose wich way to die.

 

But I think the 1x8 GiB for now and another one later is the better choice in the long run, though it is not now...

And that is the question: do you want the best performance now or the best solution later?

probaly thats right but single channel on ryten is janky af... comes down to how long op needs to make his saecond purchase

[Metallus97]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

i5 8400 is cheaper and costs less in other parts, so no.

not where i buy my stuff

and other parts only when you get a janks a$$ china firecracker mobo lol

[Arcana]

1 minute ago, Metallus97 said:

probaly thats right but single channel on ryten is janky af... comes down to how long op needs to make his saecond purchase

ill get asap but i dont know how much do they cost and brand should i get and they should 3000mhz onward right?

[Biggerboot]

Just now, Metallus97 said:

not where i buy my stuff

Ah I forgot about the differences in our countries.

Well that'll come down to the OP's situation then.

Just now, Metallus97 said:

and other parts only when you get a janks a$$ china firecracker mobo lol

They're all china bro.

[Metallus97]

Just now, Arcana said:

ill get asap but i dont know how much do they cost and brand should i get and they should 3000mhz onward right?

From my testing with a 1700x after 266o you get demisishing returns

[Arcana]

4 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

 

Yeah, but that's true for all architectures and processors. While Dual Channel is pretty important, if you don't have the money for two sticks right now, I'd rather go for one right now and grap the other one ASAP, when I have saved enough money...

 

There is no good solution in this case and it basically comes down to choose wich way to die.

 

But I think the 1x8 GiB for now and another one later is the better choice in the long run, though it is not now...

And that is the question: do you want the best performance now or the best solution later?

best performance and best solution but what brand should i take and what mhz is the minimum ill get

[Metallus97]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

Ah I forgot about the differences in our countries.

Well that'll come down to the OP's situation then.

They're all china bro.

you know what i mean BROTHER. Super shit quality. idd not recomend that

[Biggerboot]

4 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

you know what i mean BROTHER. Super shit quality. idd not recomend that

Still you can get away with a decent b360 board and don't necessarily need 4 dimms, and I'm not overclocking.  On the AMD camp I would absolutely take a 4 dimm board and something with decent vrm cooling.

[Metallus97]

1 minute ago, Biggerboot said:

Still you can get away with a decent b360 board and don't necessarily need 4 dimms, and I'm not overclocking.  On the AMD camp I would absolutely take a 4 dimm board and something with decent vrm cooling.

lol who draws more power?

 

 

due lets stop the flame war and chill

[Biggerboot]

2 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

lol who draws more power?

due lets stop the flame war and chill

I'm totally calm.  And I didn't say anything about power draw.  I'm talking about the vrms on the motherboard.  But that's fine, if op has any more questions ask me.