ryzen 2600x or 2700x for gaming ?

[Therios]

if i will be only gaming .. will the extra cores of the 2700x come in handy any time soon in the next 4-5 years ? as i wont be upgrading for that period 
so will getting the 2700x be a waste or will it actually be useful as games are starting to use dx12 witch uses more threads/cores as i know *might be wrong* 

[stealth80]

get the 8700k if exclusively gaming 

[ravenshrike]

8 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

get the 8700k if exclusively gaming 

Or he could take the $140 he saves and buy a better graphics card, memory, motherboard, SSD, or AIO cooler. Unless he's pushing high refresh rate gaming the difference between Intel and AMD at this point is academic.

 

 

 

Addendum - As to the OP, it's unlikely you're going to saturate a 6 core 12 thread current gen processor any time soon. By the time you do, grabbing an 8 core to drop in will be pretty cheap.

[DarkSmith2]

29 minutes ago, Therios said:

if i will be only gaming .. will the extra cores of the 2700x come in handy any time soon in the next 4-5 years ? as i wont be upgrading for that period 
so will getting the 2700x be a waste or will it actually be useful as games are starting to use dx12 witch uses more threads/cores as i know *might be wrong* 

nobody can tell, problem with dx12 is as follows:

 

When a game delevoper, developes a game on dx11 they give some data to Microsoft/AMD/Nvidia and those warrant that the game gets proper optimisation for dx11/drivers and the game developer just has to copy paste alot of code stuff from what they get back.

 

With DX12 game developers are on their own, no good support from anyone, thats why most developers just copy/paste the required code data from the dx11 stuff they got from AMD/Nvidia/Microsoft and edit small parts on their own, without knowing what they actually do, resulting in DX12 = worse than DX11 at 99,99% of the time even when considering games from big publishers with alot of money trying to do DX12 compatibility. 

[Therios]

2 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

nobody can tell, problem with dx12 is as follows:

 

When a game delevoper, developes a game on dx11 they give some data to Microsoft/AMD/Nvidia and those warrant that the game gets proper optimisation for dx11/drivers and the game developer just has to copy paste alot of code stuff from what they get back.

 

With DX12 game developers are on their own, no good support from anyone, thats why most developers just copy/paste the required code data from the dx11 stuff they got from AMD/Nvidia/Microsoft and edit small parts on their own, without knowing what they actually do, resulting in DX12 = worse than DX11 at 99,99% of the time even when considering games from big publishers with alot of money trying to do DX12 compatibility. 

so you think going from a 2700x to a 2600x will hurt me by any kind in the next 5 years ?

[DarkSmith2]

15 minutes ago, Therios said:

so you think going from a 2700x to a 2600x will hurt me by any kind in the next 5 years ?

hmn, for gaming only purposes when comparing drawcall benchmarks most likely not at all, if so not by much, 6cores without hyperthreading /SMT is sweetspot in dx12. 8cores without hyperthreading/SMT gives only a negligible bump. But since the 2600x is capable of SMT i dont see how it could hurt your gaming performance. 6c12t is plenty for gaming for the next years to come. If it does hurt your gaming performance within the next 5years probably not because of the number of cores/threads.

 

 

[JoostinOnline]

8400/8600k/8700k. For gaming only, there isn't a reason to get a Ryzen CPU right now.

[Therios]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

8400/8600k/8700k. For gaming only, there isn't a reason to get a Ryzen CPU right now.

screw intel .. i hate that company .. they are greedy as hell  

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, Therios said:

screw intel .. i hate that company .. they are greedy as hell  

i think most companies are. But you arent buying the company you are buying a product.

But ok, Ryzen will be fine either way

[Princess Luna]

2 hours ago, stealth80 said:

get the 8700k if exclusively gaming 

Trust me even though the i7 is what makes sense to his user case he is mind locked on getting the Ryzen for whatever reason... he's been planning this build making repetitive threads for about 2 months already.

 

Kinda already got tired of replying to his threads... but here it goes to game specific if you won't severely multi-task or high end stream it makes no difference whatsoever the extra cores as you're not getting any more single thread performance which is still key for gaming.

[Therios]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

i think most companies are. But you arent buying the company you are buying a product.

But ok, Ryzen will be fine either way

i also like the supported socket and the stock cooler .. and more cores will help me as i will do alittle of video editing and streaming . 

[JoostinOnline]

5 minutes ago, Therios said:

screw intel .. i hate that company .. they are greedy as hell  

That's kind of a requirement for a company lol. I don't think making a poor investment in a rival but equally greedy company will "show them", but it's your computer.

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, Therios said:

i also like the supported socket and the stock cooler .. and more cores will help me as i will do alittle of video editing and streaming . 

Ok, when you do editing and streaming get the 2700x instead of the 2600x. It will help

[Therios]

4 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Ok, when you do editing and streaming get the 2700x instead of the 2600x. It will help

but there are not my main use so it wont matter that much but its still there 

[stealth80]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Trust me even though the i7 is what makes sense to his user case he is mind locked on getting the Ryzen for whatever reason... he's been planning this build making repetitive threads for about 2 months already.

 

Kinda already got tired of replying to his threads... but here it goes to game specific if you won't severely multi-task or high end stream it makes no difference whatsoever the extra cores as you're not getting any more single thread performance which is still key for gaming.

Ye I already noticed 3 threads about 1080's in 2 days 

 

2 hours ago, ravenshrike said:

Or he could take the $140 he saves and buy a better graphics card, memory, motherboard, SSD, or AIO cooler. Unless he's pushing high refresh rate gaming the difference between Intel and AMD at this point is academic.

 

 

 

Addendum - As to the OP, it's unlikely you're going to saturate a 6 core 12 thread current gen processor any time soon. By the time you do, grabbing an 8 core to drop in will be pretty cheap.

You say this and yet you have no idea what games or resolution the OP is playing at. At 1080P there is some massive differences, especially using a 1080ti. I have replied in another of the OP's threads where he's asking if a 1070ti would be ok in 5 years, and if not a 1080ti, both @ 1080P. So in this scenario, the 8700k would be the better option, especially considering he wants it to last upto 5 years, in which case I can't argue against the 8700k dues its much stronger single thread/gaming performance - especially as he is exclusively gaming. I don't need to drag benchmarks out to prove the point, its a well known fact, and this is coming from a Ryzen owner

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

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I like to say too that often people have the wrong idea that Ryzen is cheaper, a 2700X with a high end motherboard is within the same costs as putting an i7 8700K together any ways specially when you see people going for ROG HERO MAXIMUS FORMULA AREZ EXTREME motherboards for whatever reason.

[Therios]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

I like to say too that often people have the wrong idea that Ryzen is cheaper, a 2700X with a high end motherboard is within the same costs as putting an i7 8700K together any ways specially when you see people going for ROG HERO MAXIMUS FORMULA AREZ EXTREME motherboards for whatever reason.

my problem with the 8700k is the cooler .. and the 8700k is 350$ right now .. when the 2700x is 310$ 
and it doesnt require a cooler to be running at a decent clock speeds .. but with the 8700k i must get a 50-100$ cooler plus the 40$ over the 2700x 

[DarkSmith2]

11 minutes ago, Therios said:

but there are not my main use so it wont matter that much but its still there 

hmn hard decision indeed. Streaming while playing on a 2600x will also be fine, just on a little lower x264 preset  

Maybe can do 720p60 medium instead of slow, still fine

[stealth80]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I like to say too that often people have the wrong idea that Ryzen is cheaper, a 2700X with a high end motherboard is within the same costs as putting an i7 8700K together any ways specially when you see people going for ROG HERO MAXIMUS FORMULA AREZ EXTREME motherboards for whatever reason.

Well I think he was referring to the 2600x to be fair, but still your point remains, need good vrms, fast ram to get the best from Ryzen, it has it uses for sure. 

 

a quick comparison

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.00 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($155.66 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $657.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-05 19:13 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING M7 AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($209.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $594.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-05 19:14 EDT-0400

 

Yes the Ryzen 2600x is cheaper and that's even with the faster ram (Ryzen wants it) and a better quality board (VRM quality) and I guess you could still argue that you need a cooler for 8700k. 

 

Argument is valid, but I think if someone has the $$$ for a 1080ti they have $$$ for a 8700k vs 2600x. 

[DarkSmith2]

8 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

specially when you see people going for ROG HERO MAXIMUS FORMULA AREZ EXTREME motherboards for whatever reason.

bruh, looks  Bling Bling LUL. No serious i love my Formula dont flame me D:

[stealth80]

19 minutes ago, Therios said:

i also like the supported socket and the stock cooler .. and more cores will help me as i will do alittle of video editing and streaming . 

Right this is new information. The cores will certainly help for editing, streaming it only matters if viewer side quality is important to you, if it is the 2700x pulls pretty far ahead of the 8700k. 

[Therios]

2 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Well I think he was referring to the 2600x to be fair, but still your point remains, need good vrms, fast ram to get the best from Ryzen, it has it uses for sure. 

 

a quick comparison

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.00 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($155.66 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $657.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-05 19:13 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING M7 AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($209.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $594.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-05 19:14 EDT-0400

 

Yes the Ryzen 2600x is cheaper and that's even with the faster ram (Ryzen wants it) and a better quality board (VRM quality) and I guess you could still argue that you need a cooler for 8700k. 

 

Argument is valid, but I think if someone has the $$$ for a 1080ti they have $$$ for a 8700k vs 2600x. 

i meant the 2700x and you dont need a very good vrm if you will be using the stock cooler anyways .. as you wont be overclocking .. and there is a 3% performance gain if you go with the 3200mhz over the 3000mhz .. and if you are lucky you can overclock it to 3200mhz 

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

bruh, looks  Bling Bling LUL. No serious i love my Formula dont flame me D:

Oh trust me we all want a Formula board, and I am fine if you bought one the thing is just silly when the argument to go Ryzen is "cheaper" when you end up paying the same at the end.

[DarkSmith2]

5 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Right this is new information. The cores will certainly help for editing, streaming it only matters if viewer side quality is important to you, if it is the 2700x pulls pretty far ahead of the 8700k. 

what? nope... pretty close, with luck in the siliconlottery 2700x is marginally faster than the 8700k @1080p60 medium preset, but both lack performance to not drop frames anyways...

 

Editing? Still nope adobe premier with Hardware acceleration making the 8700k perform like a 7980XE... -.-

[Therios]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

what? nope... pretty close, with luck in the siliconlottery 2700x is marginally faster than the 8700k @1080p60 medium preset, but both lack performance to not drop frames anyways...

 

Editing? Still nope adope premier with Hardware acceleration making the 8700k perform like a 7980XE... -.-

its also silly when you get a formula with a 970 .. thats up to you .. just my opinion