nVidia ends GeForce Partner Program

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, pas008 said:

no its the end users

like said before it it was aibs they could do whatever they like

matrox does with amd cards even supplying their own drivers

 

It's only the end user's when they buy it but until that point it's the AIB's.

 

Aren't those Matrox cards specialized ?

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Everything has limitations and license terms. Those are the fundamental things that constitute property rights. Just because one license is more restrictive than another does not mean there is no ownership. Go read up on property rights.

lol wish we were talking about monetary value here

so they have to wait for nvidia nda lift on their own product? lol

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

It's only the end user's when they buy it but until that point it's the AIB's.

 

Aren't those Matrox cards specialized ?

read above

[Carclis]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

lol wish we were talking about monetary value here

so they have to wait for nvidia nda lift on their own product? lol

Of course they do. That would be part of the property rights. Why is that so hard to understand? I used the examples of housing in Australia before. We "freehold" here which is a term given to the property rights we have. We renew our property license every 100 years but we still consider this to be ownership because we own the rights to the property. This allows us to exploit the land to the extent that the rights/license allows. You don't have to have full control and ownership of everything  for it to be considered ownership because complete ownership is extremely rare in the real world.

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Of course they do. That would be part of the property rights. Why is that so hard to understand? I used the examples of housing in Australia before. We "freehold" here which is a term given to the property rights we have. We renew our property license every 100 years but we still consider this to be ownership because we own the rights to the property. This allows us to exploit the land to the extent that the rights/license allows. You don't have to have full control and ownership of everything  for it to be considered ownership because complete ownership is extremely rare in the real world.

you know this argument was about whos product it really is aib's or nvidia's

 

its nvidias nda lift on nvidias new lineup with nvidias new drivers

etc etc

[App4that]

Just now, pas008 said:

you know this argument was about whos product it really is aib's or nvidia's

That's easy. We call them Nvidia cards, because they carry an Nvidia GPU. We don't call Trident Z dimms with Samsung die, Samsung. We call them GSKILL.

 

But, if Samsung started a program to support partners who branded Samsung equipped memory differently.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

15 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Everything has limitations and license terms. Those are the fundamental things that constitute property rights. Just because one license is more restrictive than another does not mean there is no ownership. Go read up on property rights.

Oh yeah? So, if it is your Lamborghini, how come you can't drive it at 300 km/h in a downtown avenue? 

If my landlord owns this house, how come he can't come sleep here any time he wants?

 

Spoiler

Because of course it all belongs to the Reptilian Illuminati, just like your life, that's why!

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Carclis]

4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

you know this argument was about whos product it really is aib's or nvidia's

And I'm telling you that AIB's own the property rights for as long as they agree to the license terms. As long as the agreed upon requirements are met then AIB's are free to use Nvidia's product in the production of their own, allowing them to call it their own product.

[Carclis]

5 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Oh yeah? So, if it is your Lamborghini, how come you can't drive it at 300 km/h in a downtown avenue? 

Funny you mention that. I was actually going to bring up car ownership. Do you really own a car since you're not allowed to drive it without a license, or a registration, or if you're under a certain age. The list goes on.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Carclis said:

Funny you mention that. I was actually going to bring up car ownership. Do you really own a car since you're not allowed to drive it without a license, or a registration, or if you're under a certain age. The list goes on.

Yes, you really own it. The state owns the roads  

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, Carclis said:

And I'm telling you that AIB's own the property rights for as long as they agree to the license terms. As long as the agreed upon requirements are met then AIB's are free to use Nvidia's product in the production of their own, allowing them to call it their own product.

so you are agreeing to nvida>aib>etailer/retail then ?

[pas008]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Yes, you really own it. The state owns the roads  

oh so government cant rip anything from you

or fact you must pay yearly taxes on it to really own it lol

[Carclis]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

so you are agreeing to nvida>aib>etailer/retail then ?

I have no idea what you're implying. I mean exactly what I said.

[pas008]

1 minute ago, Carclis said:

I have no idea what you're implying. I mean exactly what I said.

whos actual product it is

[App4that]

Just now, pas008 said:

oh so government cant rip anything from you

or fact you must pay yearly taxes on it to really own it lol

Not here, I have a 72 Omega sitting in Wisconsin I haven't even seen in 5 years, driven in 20. Haven't paid a penny, still mine. If I paid for plates I could drive it.

 

The state owns the roads, that's their property. They get to say what you need to be on their property. 

[Carclis]

3 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yes, you really own it. The state owns the roads  

 But you own the right to use the road, within the terms of the license/law ?

[App4that]

Just now, Carclis said:

 But you own the right to use the road, within the terms of the license/law ?

Nope, you don't own a right. Ownership is defined, by the state

[Carclis]

6 minutes ago, pas008 said:

whos actual product it is

Which product? The Nvidia GPU die is Nvidia's product. This is sold to AIB partners along with the rights to modify and sell it as their own product. For AIB partners they recieve an intermediate product from Nvidia. They then modify it adding their own cooler, bios, features such as lighting and additional support along witb revised and improved power delivery. At this point it is no longer Nvidia's product. Nvidia is simply a supplier.

[App4that]

Just now, Carclis said:

Which product? The Nvidia GPU die is Nvidia's product. This is sold to AIB partners along with the rights to modify and sell it as their own product. For AIB partners they recieve an intermediate product from Nvidia. They then modify it adding their own cooler, bios, features such as lighting and additional support along witb revised and improved power delivery. At this point it is no longer Nvidia's product. Nvidia is simply a supplier.

Which means Nvidia can supply whom ever they want, at any rate they want. Unless you have a written agreement between the two. 

[Carclis]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

Which means Nvidia can supply whom ever they want, at any rate they want. Unless you have a written agreement between the two. 

That's right. But they can't be preferrential or limit competition.

[App4that]

Just now, Carclis said:

That's right. But they can't be preferrential or limit competition.

Hell yeah they can. It happens every day in every retail situation.

 

Don't confuse can, with should. 

[Carclis]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

Hell yeah they can. It happens every day in every retail situation.

 

Don't confuse can, with should. 

Well that's the whole point of this thread, right? It's not legal but it does happen.

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Well that's the whole point of this thread, right? It's not legal but it does happen.

Why I said let that shit go LOL!!!

 

Walk into Best Buy, or Game Stop. Everything from the zoning to encaps is a relationship with venders and other companies. Sony spend millions and millions on those relationships so the PS4 is pushed to the front. Don't see a topic on that, right?

 

Because you don't see it. People see the GPP, so they react. Even though it's nothing out of the ordinary. YAY capitolism LOL

[Kamjam21xx]

1 hour ago, Carclis said:

Of course they do. That would be part of the property rights. Why is that so hard to understand? I used the examples of housing in Australia before. We "freehold" here which is a term given to the property rights we have. We renew our property license every 100 years but we still consider this to be ownership because we own the rights to the property. This allows us to exploit the land to the extent that the rights/license allows. You don't have to have full control and ownership of everything  for it to be considered ownership because complete ownership is extremely rare in the real world.

Hate to go of on a tangent.... but i think there is a reason for that and the private ownership of our treasury. There is nothing on earth worth more than the private possesions of the citizens of the united states. 

 

 

[Razor01]

5 hours ago, Carclis said:

You are describing exactly how property rights work. Technically nobody owns land here in Australia because we are merely "freeholding", holding land using a license which expires after 100 years.

 

The important thing you're missing though is that these rights in AIB partners case stipulate the specification that they should conform to in order to receive support from Nvidia and to respect their property. They are conditions of use for the end product that companies like Asus produce. At the end of the day the Nvidia GPU die is no different from an AMG Mercedes engine which is being used in a Lamborghini. It's licensed to them with an accompanying specification that must be met. But the end product that comes out of Lamborghini is not the same as a Mercedes. These products are both the culminations of many IP's but the designs are originals from Lamborghini and Mercedes. It is their product and design because what they received is different from what they sold. They produced their own product.

 

I don't know how its there in is AUS, but if we buy property here, its ours to do with as we wish and its passed along to family even if there is no will, but there can be stipulations on that too, based on the seller, neighborhood (usually for exclusive residencies).  Now if there is property tax in the state that you buy property here, you must pay that or their can be a lean put on you.

 

Not just support, even selling of their a board that is based on nV's IP that they paid for to make.  Ah no if MB had an IP agreement with Lambo and Lambo didn't fulfill that agreement, Lambo, can not sell their car, they might need to give the engine back in original form that it was given to them.

 

Again we are talking about IP vs outright ownership.  IP has certain rights.

 

Want me to give you an example of IP of MB engines.  Look at new Aston Martin DB I think, that uses an MB engine, one of the stipulation's put on them is they can't compete in the same market at MB doesn't, and the Aston Martin DB with that MB engine doesn't compete in the market that MB cars with that engine are in.  If Aston Martin breaks that by lower prices of their DB to where MB cars are at, then they have problems.

[Razor01]

4 hours ago, Carclis said:

Well that's the whole point of this thread, right? It's not legal but it does happen.

Its legal lol, its an agreement between the two parties.  If that agreement brakes laws then there is a problem, otherwise no problems at all.