Time for a cpu upgrade?

[gepowr]

Hey guys, i'm experiencing a bottleneck. I'm using the i7 4790k with a Evga Gtx 1080 Gaming and in games like ghost recon wildlands and battlefield 1 (multiplayer) i'm definitely getting bottleneckt, so my question: Can someone with a 4790k or a similar cpu confirm this ? In ghost recon wildlands (with 3 friends coop) i'm getting (especially in cities or fights) 80-100% cpu usage while the 1080 hovers between 50-99%. I'm playing on very high settings at 1080p 144Hz and it is certainly playable but i thought i would get a bit more performance with a 1080.

 

[Dreaper]

1 minute ago, gepowr said:

Hey guys, i'm experiencing a bottleneck. I'm using the i7 4790k with a Evga Gtx 1080 Gaming and in games like ghost recon wildlands and battlefield 1 (multiplayer) i'm definitely getting bottleneckt, so my question: Can someone with a 4790k or a similar cpu confirm this ? In ghost recon wildlands (with 3 friends coop) i'm getting (especially in cities or fights) 80-100% cpu usage while the 1080 hovers between 50-99%. I'm playing on very high settings at 1080p 144Hz and it is certainly playable but i thought i would get a bit more performance with a 1080.

 

I have a 4790k with a 980 in it atm before was a 1080 ti before it went into a new build. Mine is overclocked to 5GHZ atm and dont have any bottle neck at this time  

[3 Lions]

The 4790K should not be bottlnecking the 1080.

[gepowr]

2 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

The 4790K should not be bottlnecking the 1080.

Well it does in my case. All synthetic benchmark results are fine which makes me think that my 4790k performs as it should. I still have a bottleneck though.

[LogicWeasel]

Do you have 1080 benchmarks to confirm it isn't something else like system RAM?  Are you sure the performance you're already getting isn't just normal for the game itself?  You may be creating your own idea of a bottleneck through desiring more FPS when in actuality what you have is giving you what it's capable of.

[gepowr]

Just now, LogicWeasel said:

Do you have 1080 benchmarks to confirm it isn't something else like system RAM?  Are you sure the performance you're already getting isn't just normal for the game itself?  You may be creating your own idea of a bottleneck through desiring more FPS when in actuality what you have is giving you what it's capable of.

Well idk, i have seen similar fps from guys on youtube with a 4790k and a 980ti so in theory i should get a bit more fps than them. But i'm almost getting exact the same fps. Maybe everything is fine. Almost everyone around here sais that a 4790k won't bottleneck any gpu out there. I can confirm that in gpu dependend games like overwatch or other lightweight esport titles. But in Triple A titles like the battlefield 1 Multiplayer or ghost recon wildlands i'm definitely experiencing a bottleneck at least in huge explosions/fights or in populated areas.

[gepowr]

1 hour ago, Dreaper said:

I have a 4790k with a 980 in it atm before was a 1080 ti before it went into a new build. Mine is overclocked to 5GHZ atm and dont have any bottle neck at this time  

Well how do you specify "bottleneck"? I'm getting very pleasent framerates almost all the time. I've just noticed that my gpu almost never stays at a constant 99% (what it should be). I don't know if you just don't notice this or if i'm doing something wrong, which i doubt tbh.

[Dreaper]

1 minute ago, gepowr said:

Well how do you specify "bottleneck"? I'm getting very pleasent framerates almost all the time. I've just noticed that my gpu almost never stays at a constant 99% (what it should be). I don't know if you just don't notice this or if i'm doing something wrong, which i doubt tbh.

Whenever im playing a recent gave like wildlands r6 siege etc. my gpu is always at 45% and cpu at 50%

[gepowr]

14 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

Whenever im playing a recent gave like wildlands r6 siege etc. my gpu is always at 45% and cpu at 50%

I know i'm asking a little bit much now but this is really concerning me. Can you test something for me ? Please run Wildlands on 1080p, very high preset and tell me your cpu and gpu usage in different scenarios like open field, in a big fight, in a great city with lot of people and buildings. I am asking for this since the built in benchmark doesn't display real world performance (like my avg on very high is 92 fps or something which i will never achieve when i'm actually playing myself. I am interested in real world performance. 

[Dreaper]

I cant test right now im sorry im troubleshooting my pc i think got hacked

[gepowr]

6 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

I cant test right now im sorry im troubleshooting my pc i think got hacked

Well, do you need some help, too?

[Dreaper]

4 minutes ago, gepowr said:

Well, do you need some help, too?

not much to do, cant sign in the password is changed

[gepowr]

21 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

not much to do, cant sign in the password is changed

Alright, i wish you the best of luck. Just get back to me when you got it working again and are able to test it. Really interested in how your system performs. Thanks in advance.

[Shiftstealth]

5 hours ago, gepowr said:

Hey guys, i'm experiencing a bottleneck. I'm using the i7 4790k with a Evga Gtx 1080 Gaming and in games like ghost recon wildlands and battlefield 1 (multiplayer) i'm definitely getting bottleneckt, so my question: Can someone with a 4790k or a similar cpu confirm this ? In ghost recon wildlands (with 3 friends coop) i'm getting (especially in cities or fights) 80-100% cpu usage while the 1080 hovers between 50-99%. I'm playing on very high settings at 1080p 144Hz and it is certainly playable but i thought i would get a bit more performance with a 1080.

 

Whats your 4790K clocked at? If it is stock then it might be bottlenecking you. An overclock would help you just as much as upgrading at that point.

[gepowr]

4 hours ago, Shiftstealth said:

Whats your 4790K clocked at? If it is stock then it might be bottlenecking you. An overclock would help you just as much as upgrading at that point.

I tried stock aswell as 4.5GHz at 1.22V stable which results in almost no difference (min fps a bit higher, still bottlenecking my 1080). It's probably just due to the demanding games i play. 

[gepowr]

I'm sorry that i have to bump this again, but my pc is definitely underperforming in games at least. I found a video on youtube from a guy who uses an i7 4790k at 4.5 GHz (I have the exact same clockspeed) and a gtx 1080 with a slightly higher clockspeed. His cpu usage barely exceeds 70% (this is singleplayer mind you) while i'm hovering between 80 - 100% while my gpu often drops down 70-99%. I am also no where near the fps he's getting (constant 130+ even in the heaviest fights), i am looking at 100-140, in big fights or large areas usually 115 fps. My Evga Gtx 1080 sits at 83° which is normal for a blower style card, my i7 4790k at 4.5GHz sits at 65° with an absolute maximum of 74° peak. I just don't get what i'm doing wrong. At 1080p an i7 4790k oc'd to 4.5GHz should not bottleneck a Gtx 1080 FE at stock right ? Espacially in singleplayer mode. 

 

[ApolloX75]

48 minutes ago, gepowr said:

I'm sorry that i have to bump this again, but my pc is definitely underperforming in games at least. I found a video on youtube from a guy who uses an i7 4790k at 4.5 GHz (I have the exact same clockspeed) and a gtx 1080 with a slightly higher clockspeed. His cpu usage barely exceeds 70% (this is singleplayer mind you) while i'm hovering between 80 - 100% while my gpu often drops down 70-99%. I am also no where near the fps he's getting (constant 130+ even in the heaviest fights), i am looking at 100-140, in big fights or large areas usually 115 fps. My Evga Gtx 1080 sits at 83° which is normal for a blower style card, my i7 4790k at 4.5GHz sits at 65° with an absolute maximum of 74° peak. I just don't get what i'm doing wrong. At 1080p an i7 4790k oc'd to 4.5GHz should not bottleneck a Gtx 1080 FE at stock right ? Espacially in singleplayer mode. 

 

I'll run some tests in an hour or so and post my results. I run a similar setup (4790k w/ EVGA 1080) and I haven't noticed a bottleneck at all, so I'm definitely curious.

[ApolloX75]

So at 1080p my 4790k @ 4.5GHz and 1080 combo yields 70-73FPS, 59-63% CPU Usage and a hard 98% GPU usage at all times in Ghost Recon Wildlands (singleplayer) and that's even just running around randomly with no firefight. I can screencap my results if you really want, but I'm thinking you've got something else going on with your system, maybe background processes and the like.

 

*Edit: This is with every option cranked to Ultra btw.

 

*2nd Edit: SO I didn't read that you were running Very High settings, so I re-ran my little test at the Very High preset. I saw 75-88% CPU usage and a solid 95-99% GPU usage, and averaged 90-99 FPS. Now it is well known that the higher your graphical details (resolution and the like) the harder the GPU works and the less load is placed on the CPU. For instance at 1440p my CPU usage drops to the 40-50% range and 4K drops it even lower. Same thing goes with Ultra preset vs Very High in this case. It does seem odd to me that the drop between Ultra and Very High is so vast, but that may just be a GRW thing.

 

As for your case I'd say there is definitely something funny going on with your system but I don't think it's a bottleneck, I think it's a software problem. Maybe try running GRW at Ultra and see if your CPU usage drops down like mine does? I'd be curious to see that.

[gepowr]

6 hours ago, ApolloX75 said:

So at 1080p my 4790k @ 4.5GHz and 1080 combo yields 70-73FPS, 59-63% CPU Usage and a hard 98% GPU usage at all times in Ghost Recon Wildlands (singleplayer) and that's even just running around randomly with no firefight. I can screencap my results if you really want, but I'm thinking you've got something else going on with your system, maybe background processes and the like.

 

*Edit: This is with every option cranked to Ultra btw.

 

*2nd Edit: SO I didn't read that you were running Very High settings, so I re-ran my little test at the Very High preset. I saw 75-88% CPU usage and a solid 95-99% GPU usage, and averaged 90-99 FPS. Now it is well known that the higher your graphical details (resolution and the like) the harder the GPU works and the less load is placed on the CPU. For instance at 1440p my CPU usage drops to the 40-50% range and 4K drops it even lower. Same thing goes with Ultra preset vs Very High in this case. It does seem odd to me that the drop between Ultra and Very High is so vast, but that may just be a GRW thing.

 

As for your case I'd say there is definitely something funny going on with your system but I don't think it's a bottleneck, I think it's a software problem. Maybe try running GRW at Ultra and see if your CPU usage drops down like mine does? I'd be curious to see that.

Thanks for your answer! I will test the performance on ultra and will get back to you with the results. The main Problem in wildlands are honestly the big cities which cause my gpu usage to drop from high usage.

[gepowr]

7 hours ago, ApolloX75 said:

So at 1080p my 4790k @ 4.5GHz and 1080 combo yields 70-73FPS, 59-63% CPU Usage and a hard 98% GPU usage at all times in Ghost Recon Wildlands (singleplayer) and that's even just running around randomly with no firefight. I can screencap my results if you really want, but I'm thinking you've got something else going on with your system, maybe background processes and the like.

 

*Edit: This is with every option cranked to Ultra btw.

 

Okay i'm back with the results. I set the preset to ultra and ran the benchmark first, here are the results: As you can see, the gpu never drops below 98% while my cpu is around 50%. Can you run the built in benchmark too, to confirm those fps ? While gaming tho myself tho, it's again a different story. while on open field or basically in the middle of nowhere i'm getting 65-75 fps too with 99% gpu usage, cpu around 55% just running around without doing anything. But once i'm driving into a big city my cpu usage almost instantly rises to 80% and my gpu is dropping to 80-99%. My fps will sit around 50-55 around that time, but i noticed 2 strange things. I had some framedrops when turning very fast on really large areas and i noticed that my hdd usage was very high while playing (i'm using a 7 yo WD Black performance hdd, it does not make any noise and crystal disk info says it's fine so i'm guessing ehm it's fine ?). So in conclusion: 70-75 fps in the middle of nowhere with high gpu und low cpu usage? -> YES, but i once i actually do something in cities or other populated or intense areas, my gpu usage still drops.

[Taf the Ghost]

@gepowr

 

Well, it is Ghost Recon Wildlands. That game is hard to run in general, but what's the timing on your Memory. Not just the raw speed? (I've recently gone through this on gaming testing comparisons.)

 

 

 

There's a link to a playthrough at 1440p on a 1080 Ti and a comparable enough Ryzen 7 1700X that's OC'd.

 

 

1080 footage & performance on a 7700k at 4.7k. 

 

It's saturating up to 80% of the OC'd 7700k, so you should be okay here. Is it possible there's a loading of textures issue? HDD or SSD going? Other option is to OC your RAM or tighten the subtimings by a lot.

 

For battlefield 1, the benchmark passes that most post are single player. MP is supposed to be very different and it loves a lot of cores & threads, so improving the memory would help but you're still core limited there.

[gepowr]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

@gepowr

 

Well, it is Ghost Recon Wildlands. That game is hard to run in general, but what's the timing on your Memory. Not just the raw speed? (I've recently gone through this on gaming testing comparisons.)

 

 

 

There's a link to a playthrough at 1440p on a 1080 Ti and a comparable enough Ryzen 7 1700X that's OC'd.

 

 

1080 footage & performance on a 7700k at 4.7k. 

 

It's saturating up to 80% of the OC'd 7700k, so you should be okay here. Is it possible there's a loading of textures issue? HDD or SSD going? Other option is to OC your RAM or tighten the subtimings by a lot.

 

For battlefield 1, the benchmark passes that most post are single player. MP is supposed to be very different and it loves a lot of cores & threads, so improving the memory would help but you're still core limited there.

Timings are: CL9 9-9-24 (1600MHz), i am also changing to the xmp profile when i overclock my cpu. I've watched the videos and yeah it's just really frustrating tbh. He's getting well over 70 fps even in the cities with 99% usage all the time. Do you really thing that the 7700k offers a 20fps difference in this game ? What i've noticed too that some textures on the ground (like tiny rocks and the field itself) will "re-sharpen" once i turn around to them. There are textures of course, but they will kind of "improve" once i watch them closely.

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, gepowr said:

Timings are: CL9 9-9-24 (1600MHz), i am also changing to the xmp profile when i overclock my cpu. I've watched the videos and yeah it's just really frustrating tbh. He's getting well over 70 fps even in the cities with 99% usage all the time. Do you really thing that the 7700k offers a 20fps difference in this game ? What i've noticed too that some textures on the ground (like tiny rocks and the field itself) will "re-sharpen" once i turn around to them. There are textures of course, but they will kind of "improve" once i watch them closely.

I believe he's running 3200 memory in the videos, and for some games it matters a lot.

 

 

For some games, utterly massively.

[Tellos]

I run on high or very high past 60FPS on my 1440P 144hz moniter with a GTX 1080 from EVGA and a E3-1270v2. does jsut fine.

[gepowr]

9 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I believe he's running 3200 memory in the videos, and for some games it matters a lot.

 

 

For some games, utterly massively.

Okay didn't know that, interesting. But how do you explain @ApolloX75's equal fps and more consistent gpu usage (i'm guessing since he didn't reply to me yet what kind of usage and fps he gets when driving around in cities)? I'm starting to think my pc is performing just fine, i7 4790k bottlenecking a gtx 1080 at 1080p is probably just the way it is.