fractal Nas/Plex server/Media server Help future project.

[Knux]

Hi , im looking for a new project i have the money to start , but dont know how to start.

 

Looking For:

• not to power hungry "power efficient ".
•  Parts i  currently have:
  • Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case

  • Silverstone - Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply

• Looking for the perfect drives for this kind of job because im planing to us ZFS but don't know ho to choose from Seagate wolf or western digital Reds .
  • Update im looking to fill the racks to 16 or 32 on the long run sol lets start with 16 tb.
• Also i would like to have wireless access.

Sooo im missing:

• Motherboard
• cpu
• ram
• drives
• cooler

PS: currently im in a country were the price tag of an items goes "4x" after the 200 dollar mark. soooo yeah im gonna buy the parts one by one if necesary.

[Electronics Wizardy]

How many tb do you need?

 

Right now id get these https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/5792401.p?skuId=5792401

 

180usd for a wd red 8tb is a good deal.

 

For cpu, id probably go g4560 and b250 board. You can spend more, but really not needed for what your doing. 8gb of ram should also be fine here. Get a h200 if you need more drives.

 

Stock cooler is fine here.

 

No need for ssd cache, zil won't help here, and a l2arc really don't help much most of the time.

 

Wireless access is done by your wifi access point(you probably already have one). This box has no wireless.

 

[Knux]

10 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

How many tb do you need?

On a long run ill probably go to 32 tb but lets start with 16. either 8 2tb drives or 4 4tb drives

11 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Right now id get these https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/5792401.p?skuId=5792401

180usd for a wd red 8tb is a good deal.

so basically your asking me to buy this a disassemble it?

14 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

For cpu, id probably go g4560 and b250 board. You can spend more, but really not needed for what your doing. 8gb of ram should also be fine here. Get a h200 if you need more drives.

Im planing o movie / plex server so this board is like every were and but it nas builds "a lot of mining"

 

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

5 hours ago, Knux said:

On a long run ill probably go to 32 tb but lets start with 16. either 8 2tb drives or 4 4tb drives

Id go 8tb mirrors, fewer bigger drives is normally what id suggest.

5 hours ago, Knux said:

so basically your asking me to buy this a disassemble it?

Yep there a good deal.

[Knux]

10 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id go 8tb mirrors, fewer bigger drives is normally what id suggest.

Yep there a good deal.

any info on tha drive red or normal green because if im going a plex ill need red or wolf thats what ive been told.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 hour ago, Knux said:

any info on tha drive red or normal green because if im going a plex ill need red or wolf thats what ive been told.

That 8tb drive is a red or rebranded red drive.

 

 

You don't need a nas drives, a dekstop drive will work fine here, but the nas ones have  a few extra features that can help

 

 - TLER, this limits max error time to around 7 sec, great for hardware raid cards, won't help in software raid(aka freenas, zfs, unraid, md)

 

- Vibration restance. This helps in multibay. The ironwolf/red drives have a limited vibration restance restures, where the red pro/ironwolf pro/ enterprise drives have the full features. Since you have a desktop case this won't be a issue.

 

- Longer warranty. Always nice to have, but often not very usefull, due to the bathtub curve of failutres(most hdds fail in the first few months or after about 5-7 years, the extra 2 or 3 years don't save you much, but always nice to have)

 

- Lower power(often) wd reds are 5400rpm, use less power, less heat. A bit slower but your almost always network limiited anyways.

 

- Somre more firmware tweaks like no head parking, can make it a bit faster or last longer in a nas.

[Knux]

8 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

That 8tb drive is a red or rebranded red drive.

 

 

You don't need a nas drives, a dekstop drive will work fine here, but the nas ones have  a few extra features that can help

 

 - TLER, this limits max error time to around 7 sec, great for hardware raid cards, won't help in software raid(aka freenas, zfs, unraid, md)

 

- Vibration restance. This helps in multibay. The ironwolf/red drives have a limited vibration restance restures, where the red pro/ironwolf pro/ enterprise drives have the full features. Since you have a desktop case this won't be a issue.

 

- Longer warranty. Always nice to have, but often not very usefull, due to the bathtub curve of failutres(most hdds fail in the first few months or after about 5-7 years, the extra 2 or 3 years don't save you much, but always nice to have)

 

- Lower power(often) wd reds are 5400rpm, use less power, less heat. A bit slower but your almost always network limiited anyways.

 

- Somre more firmware tweaks like no head parking, can make it a bit faster or last longer in a nas.

Sounds good basically i have kids running around my room and having bump here and there is normal im going to have the server in the living room soo (longer warranty , vibration resistance,lower power) are what i need.

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 minutes ago, Knux said:

i have kids running around my room and having bump here and there is normal

The drives won't help with that, there made to dapen vrbration from other dirve, and that won't casue a issue at all with any drives.

 

Id get those bestbuy externals(or you can get these from newegg https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822235160&ignorebbr=1)

 

And this for the rest of the system

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fMXDyf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fMXDyf/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($58.79 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($81.39 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $205.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-17 12:00 EDT-0400

[Knux]

10 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

The drives won't help with that, there made to dapen vrbration from other dirve, and that won't casue a issue at all with any drives.

 

Id get those bestbuy externals(or you can get these from newegg https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822235160&ignorebbr=1)

 

And this for the rest of the system

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fMXDyf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fMXDyf/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($58.79 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($81.39 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $205.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-17 12:00 EDT-0400

OK , so how im going to manage the drives , daisy chaining the drives limits performance so wouldnt i need a mobo with 8 sata 6 ports or more?

[Electronics Wizardy]

7 minutes ago, Knux said:

OK , so how im going to manage the drives some were i read that daisy chaining the drives limits performance so wouldnt i need a mobo with 8 sata 6 ports or more?

Id get a card like this then. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PERC-H200-6Gb-PCI-e-SAS-SATA-8-Port-Raid-Controller-9210-9211-8i-047MCV/172981732523?hash=item284683c4ab:g:39YAAOSwsYpaS32g

 

Id start with 2 drives adn then get more as needed

[Knux]

On 3/17/2018 at 12:13 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id get a card like this then. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PERC-H200-6Gb-PCI-e-SAS-SATA-8-Port-Raid-Controller-9210-9211-8i-047MCV/172981732523?hash=item284683c4ab:g:39YAAOSwsYpaS32g

 

Id start with 2 drives adn then get more as needed

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BbHNQ  

 

this is the build tell me what you think.

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 hours ago, Knux said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BbHNQ  

 

this is the build tell me what you think.

Not what id suggest

 

why all the 2tb drves, your much better off with 2x 8 or 10tb drives and adding more later.

 

Why aren't you using the psu you already have?

 

Board seems like a odd choice, why only a itx board in a matx case?

 

I wouldn't bother with ecc here, it won't make a difference .

 

 

[Knux]

3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Not what id suggest

 

why all the 2tb drves, your much better off with 2x 8 or 10tb drives and adding more later.

 

Why aren't you using the psu you already have?

 

Board seems like a odd choice, why only a itx board in a matx case?

 

I wouldn't bother with ecc here, it won't make a difference .

 

 

woops , psu were did that come from , i took the board since it has 8 sata ports and usb port for freenas inside the rig ,the ecc is not necesary why? this is necesary

if you want to ensure the integrity of your stored data on this NAS server ...

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, Knux said:

woops , psu were did that come from , i took the board since it has 8 sata ports and usb port for freenas inside the rig ,the ecc is not necesary why? this is necesary

if you want to ensure the integrity of your stored data on this NAS server ...

 

But ECC isn't a cure all solution there can still be corrution in your storage system, and the chance of a memory error is low. Id just get a normal desktop Board.

 

And why 8 2tb drive.

[Knux]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

But ECC isn't a cure all solution there can still be corrution in your storage system, and the chance of a memory error is low. Id just get a normal desktop Board.

 

And why 8 2tb drive.

Sorry forgot about the 8tb drives you suggested the other day. so your saying to go with this build ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/knux03/saved/msMtJx

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, Knux said:

Sorry forgot about the 8tb drives you suggested the other day. so your saying to go with this build ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/knux03/saved/msMtJx

 

Thats what id go personally. The ecc board isn't a bad idea though, but id get a board like this instead.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182995

Its cheaper, has 4 dimm slots, has impi, and more pcie, and m.2

 

 

Ram wise,

8gb will be fine here. You dont' seem to need much performance here, and the arc doesn't help much with a media server.

[Knux]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Thats what id go personally. The ecc board isn't a bad idea though, but id get a board like this instead.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182995

Its cheaper, has 4 dimm slots, has impi, and more pcie, and m.2

 

 

Ram wise,

8gb will be fine here. You dont' seem to need much performance here, and the arc doesn't help much with a media server.

I hear ya , if its just like lets say 4 ppl  i think it'll suffice don't you think?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/knux03/saved/msMtJx

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Knux said:

I hear ya , if its just like lets say 4 ppl  i think it'll suffice don't you think?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/knux03/saved/msMtJx

how much are each person using it?

 

If there steaming media, this system is more than fast enough and you can get away with 8gb of ram easily.

 

If your gonna get that board, might as well get ecc, not much extra, and peace of mind is nice.

[Knux]

4 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

how much are each person using it?

 

If there steaming media, this system is more than fast enough and you can get away with 8gb of ram easily.

 

If your gonna get that board, might as well get ecc, not much extra, and peace of mind is nice.

That would be my old man my brother and me an occasionally me outside my house

[Psittac]

entirely new to this field, but are you going to run any kind of RAID? If so you basically need to have all of the drives to start with.  If you're doing JBOD this isn't an issue

[Knux]

15 hours ago, Psittac said:

entirely new to this field, but are you going to run any kind of RAID? If so you basically need to have all of the drives to start with.  If you're doing JBOD this isn't an issue

the raid is not a problem my problem is gonna be when i try plex and transcode 4k

[mrdoob]

I use this  System 

 

OS : unRAID  6.50 Pro

M/B: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. - Z9PA-U8 Series

CPU: Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-2650 @ 2.00GHz

HVM: Enabled

IOMMU: Enabled

Cache: 512 kB, 2048 kB, 20480 kB

Memory: 32 GB Multi-bit ECC (max. installable capacity 256 GB)

 

CASE :

Chenbro RM41416B 

Incl. 16 x SAS HotSwap 

 

CPU Colling  :

Noctura DUAL 

 

Cooling from  Original Chenbro Change to 5 x BeQuiet Silent Swin  

 

PCi-Express : 

1 x Intel Pro 1000  2 x 1 GB 

2 x DELL Perc H310i IT-MODE

 

HDD:

1 x 8 TB (parity)

8 x 4 TB (array)

1 x 500Gb (SSD Samsung Evo 950)

4 x 300Gb  ( SAS HP ultrastar 15k / RAID10 )

 

PSU: 

BeQuiet 450W 80+ 

 

start  @ Boot:

 

Dockers :

PlexMediaServer , Filezilla, OwnCloud , munin , Tautulli  v2, upstartboard, 

 

VM:

1 x Windows 10 LTSB Enterprise 

1 x Windows 7 Pro 

1 x Debian 8.7 

 

Plugins : 

CA Auto Update Applications , CA Cleanup Appdata, CA Backup / Restore Appdata , CA Docker Autostart Manager,

Community Applications , DEV  Tools, IPMI ,

Dynamix Cache Directories , Dynamix SSD TRIM

Dynamix System Statistics , Fix Common Problems , Nerd Tools , Server Layout , Unassigned Devices .

 

 

4 Streams  no  transcode  ( 2 x 1080p DTS  / 1 x 4k TrueHD  7.1 / 1 X 576P )

Last ~ 55% 

 

Data  via SMB shared  

[tikker]

6 hours ago, Knux said:

the raid is not a problem my problem is gonna be when i try plex and transcode 4k

Truly transcoding 4k will be a no-go for pretty much any system. My NAS/Plex server runs on my "old" 4690k which will completely max out, failing to keep up, when trying to transcode a 4k video, resulting in buffering every 30 seconds (so no subtitles unfortunately). DirectPlay-ing is fine though.

[Knux]

On 3/20/2018 at 6:43 PM, tikker said:

Truly transcoding 4k will be a no-go for pretty much any system. My NAS/Plex server runs on my "old" 4690k which will completely max out, failing to keep up, when trying to transcode a 4k video, resulting in buffering every 30 seconds (so no subtitles unfortunately). DirectPlay-ing is fine though.

thnks dude

[Knux]

On 3/20/2018 at 4:22 PM, mrdoob said:

I use this  System 

 

OS : unRAID  6.50 Pro

M/B: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. - Z9PA-U8 Series

CPU: Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-2650 @ 2.00GHz

HVM: Enabled

IOMMU: Enabled

Cache: 512 kB, 2048 kB, 20480 kB

Memory: 32 GB Multi-bit ECC (max. installable capacity 256 GB)

 

CASE :

Chenbro RM41416B 

Incl. 16 x SAS HotSwap 

 

CPU Colling  :

Noctura DUAL 

 

Cooling from  Original Chenbro Change to 5 x BeQuiet Silent Swin  

 

PCi-Express : 

1 x Intel Pro 1000  2 x 1 GB 

2 x DELL Perc H310i IT-MODE

 

HDD:

1 x 8 TB (parity)

8 x 4 TB (array)

1 x 500Gb (SSD Samsung Evo 950)

4 x 300Gb  ( SAS HP ultrastar 15k / RAID10 )

 

PSU: 

BeQuiet 450W 80+ 

 

start  @ Boot:

 

Dockers :

PlexMediaServer , Filezilla, OwnCloud , munin , Tautulli  v2, upstartboard, 

 

VM:

1 x Windows 10 LTSB Enterprise 

1 x Windows 7 Pro 

1 x Debian 8.7 

 

Plugins : 

CA Auto Update Applications , CA Cleanup Appdata, CA Backup / Restore Appdata , CA Docker Autostart Manager,

Community Applications , DEV  Tools, IPMI ,

Dynamix Cache Directories , Dynamix SSD TRIM

Dynamix System Statistics , Fix Common Problems , Nerd Tools , Server Layout , Unassigned Devices .

 

 

4 Streams  no  transcode  ( 2 x 1080p DTS  / 1 x 4k TrueHD  7.1 / 1 X 576P )

Last ~ 55% 

 

Data  via SMB shared  

But are you just using them for vms do you have plex?