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[RevoltTrain]

Nah

I don't see the point in an automatic transmission after 250Hp. At that point you should drive standard. Gives you more control of the car overall. 

[AlwaysFSX]

I don't see the point in an automatic transmission after 250Hp. At that point you should drive standard. Gives you more control of the car overall. 

Nah, unnecessary.

[RevoltTrain]

Nah, unnecessary.

GG

[bcredeur97]

I don't see the point in an automatic transmission after 250Hp. At that point you should drive standard. Gives you more control of the car overall. 

umm did you not see what I said?

 

The Buggatti Veyron has an automatic lol. 1200 hp lol

[techswede]

Shelby Super Snake, 750+ HP out of a Coyote 5.0L. $50,000 package on top of a regular GT, so your total can be around $85,000-$100,000 for one. Also available in automatic, yay.

 

http://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-mustang-gt-shelby-super-snake-announced-with-750-hp/

It would take a real ford fan to go. 

"No. I don't want an R8 V10 or a Ghibli or a Gallardo LP560-4 or even a DB9 Volante. I want a mustang"

 

 

Also found this bargain

[RevoltTrain]

umm did you not see what I said?

 

The Buggatti Veyron has an automatic lol. 1200 hp lol

My point still stands. I don't understand the point in an automatic transmission after that point

[AlwaysFSX]

It would take a real ford fan to go. 

"No. I don't want an R8 V10 or a Ghibli or a Gallardo LP560-4 or even a DB9 Volante. I want a mustang"

And that point with the money I'd probably go for the R8 or DB9. If I wanted a 750HP Mustang I'd buy a GT and throw a Whipple on it.

 

My point still stands. I don't understand the point in an automatic transmission after that point

Because they're nice to drive.

[bcredeur97]

My point still stands. I don't understand the point in an automatic transmission after that point

ariel atom v8 is a good example. 

 

It uses an double clutch paddle shifter system. (basically an automatic, as it can be programmed to be one) (there is a clutch pedal, but it is only used for launching properly into first as there is no launch control)

 

They put that in there because in order to set the worlds fastest 0-60 in a production car at the time, they needed it. The gearing is so close that a human shifting was not fast enough.

[AlwaysFSX]

ariel atom v8 is a good example. 

 

It uses an double clutch paddle shifter system. (basically an automatic, as it can be programmed to be one) (there is NO clutch pedal afaik)

 

They put that in there because in order to set the worlds fastest 0-60 in a production car at the time, they needed it. The gearing is so close that a human shifting was not fast enough.

The other thing about "having more control with the vehicle" is moot because the Mustangs have selective shifting with the automatics.

[Real_PhillBert]

The other thing about "having more control with the vehicle" is moot because the Mustangs have selective shifting with the automatics.

 

I usually try to stay out of the auto vs manual debate, but manumatic =/= manual. 

[AlwaysFSX]

I usually try to stay out of the auto vs manual debate, but manumatic =/= manual. 

Never said it was the exact same, but you do have a choice of what gear you want to be in.

[techswede]

I usually try to stay out of the auto vs manual debate, but manumatic =/= manual. 

 

Its catching on!

[RevoltTrain]

 

Its catching on!

Will always call it tiptronic.

[terrytek]

Never said it was the exact same, but you do have a choice of what gear you want to be in.

But it doesn't feel right. I mean if you want to shift from 5th to 2nd on a manumatic, then you're gonna have to keep shifting down to get to it. With a real manual, you can just directly shift to 2nd without much fuss.

[Real_PhillBert]

Never said it was the exact same, but you do have a choice of what gear you want to be in.

 

But that is only half of the battle, I want to be in that gear right now. Not after the computer makes a decision about my gear selection. 

[Real_PhillBert]

Its catching on!

 

I've known them as manumatics since they were brand new. Other people have other names for them, usually horse shit. 

[terrytek]

But that is only half of the battle, I want to be in that gear right now. Not after the computer makes a decision about my gear selection. 

Exactly. Sure, manumatics have more control than an automatic, but they don't have as much control as a real manual.

[AlwaysFSX]

But it doesn't feel right. I mean if you want to shift from 5th to 2nd on a manumatic, then you're gonna have to keep shifting down to get to it. With a real manual, you can just directly shift to 2nd without much fuss.

So you hit the left paddle three times and it shifts in a quarter of a second, whoopie you've gained no time.

 

But that is only half of the battle, I want to be in that gear right now. Not after the computer makes a decision about my gear selection. 

:mellow: I think for them if you disable traction control it shifts instantly, should do it anyways even with traction control. But honestly, I don't care. If I want a 750HP car with an automatic, I'm going to get it. I don't care to drive a manual.

[terrytek]

So you hit the left paddle three times and it shifts in a quarter of a second, whoopie you've gained no time.

 

:mellow: I think for them if you disable traction control it shifts instantly, should do it anyways even with traction control. But honestly, I don't care. If I want a 750HP car with an automatic, I'm going to get it. I don't care to drive a manual.

Really, flappy paddles just take all of the fun out of shifting. ALL OF IT.

[Real_PhillBert]

:mellow: I think for them if you disable traction control it shifts instantly, should do it anyways even with traction control. But honestly, I don't care. If I want a 750HP car with an automatic, I'm going to get it. I don't care to drive a manual.

 

Instant they certainly are not, the one in the subaru BRZ I drove was particularity bad. Sometimes it felt like half a second between when I told it to shift until it began the shift. Which as you might imagine is incredibly annoying. Traction control makes no difference on manumatic shift times for any of them I have ever driven. 

 

If you want an auto, I wont stop you. I wont even try to talk you out of it, it is your choice.

[AlwaysFSX]

Really, flappy paddles just take all of the fun out of shifting. ALL OF IT.

If you find fun from shifting instead of driving, why are you even driving?

 

Instant they certainly are not, the one in the subaru BRZ I drove was particularity bad. Sometimes it felt like half a second between when I told it to shift until it began the shift. Which as you might imagine is incredibly annoying. Traction control makes no difference on manumatic shift times for any of them I have ever driven. 

 

If you want an auto, I wont stop you. I wont even try to talk you out of it, it is your choice.

No, not instant but it's much quicker in the new Mustangs from my experience than some vehicles out there. The reason why I mention traction control is because I know there's a few vehicles out there that time the shifts so you don't fuck up traction in some way causing a delay.

[terrytek]

Instant they certainly are not, the one in the subaru BRZ I drove was particularity bad. Sometimes it felt like half a second between when I told it to shift until it began the shift. Which as you might imagine is incredibly annoying. Traction control makes no difference on manumatic shift times for any of them I have ever driven. 

 

If you want an auto, I wont stop you. I wont even try to talk you out of it, it is your choice.

Since when did the BRZ/FT86/FRS ever come in automatic? Every one i've seen was a manual.

[terrytek]

@AlwaysFSX, since you love Mustangs so much, how do you feel about the newest Mustang finally coming in RHD for the Brits?

[Real_PhillBert]

Since when did the BRZ/FT86/FRS ever come in automatic? Every one i've seen was a manual.

 

It has always had the auto option.

[terrytek]

It has always had the auto option.

Huh, guess i never found one with an auto then.