Hows this? (Edited, ryzen build now)

[OnionRings]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sWXf7W

 

Used as a main rig, gaming, streaming, video editing (1080p60 on the streaming, video editing stuff, no 4k or anything crazy)

[brob]

For what?

[OnionRings]

Just now, brob said:

For what?

For a PC, streaming, gaming, video making.

[Jurrunio]

For games, it's bad for the money because 8600k is superior (8700k is faster but not as good value). 8600k can also do video editing acceptably.

 

In fact, even if you use it as a half workstation half gaming rig, it's still expensive because of all the premium stuff on there. Ryzen 7 1700 is the same thing as the 1800X when overclocked, so I wouldnt spend more for the raised base clocks. Ryzen dont overclock far so heat production isnt high, which removes the need for a 360mm rad liquid cooler (some mid range air cooler will do).  2800-3000MHz RAM perform pretty much the same as 3200MHz (you can overclock them as well) so you can save some money there.

[emosun]

I see a lot of money being spent on not a very fast machine.

Seems like you merely picked whatever was expensive and didn't care for the performance at all. 

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, emosun said:

I see a lot of money being spent on not a very fast machine.

Seems like you merely picked whatever was expensive and didn't care for the performance at all. 

So a Ryzen 7 1800x and a 1080 Ti is the " most expensive and not performing " stuff I could find? Are you dumb? Yes the ram is premium, yes the SSD is premium, yes the mobo is premium, yes the 1700 is the same thing just lower clock speed. But I want premium, this will be a no-compromises PC.

 

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For games, it's bad for the money because 8600k is superior (8700k is faster but not as good value). 8600k can also do video editing acceptably.

 

In fact, even if you use it as a half workstation half gaming rig, it's still expensive because of all the premium stuff on there. Ryzen 7 1700 is the same thing as the 1800X when overclocked, so I wouldnt spend more for the raised base clocks. Ryzen dont overclock far so heat production isnt high, which removes the need for a 360mm rad liquid cooler (some mid range air cooler will do).  2800-3000MHz RAM perform pretty much the same as 3200MHz (you can overclock them as well) so you can save some money there.

I have debated going for the 1700 over the 1800x but I want the highest clock speeds possible, as you said ryzen is not superior to intel for gaming, so the higher the clock speeds, the more I can make the difference. And the cooler is just for looks mostly, I like the block and I like seeing a giant radiator in the front of the case, plus the kraken x62 is what I would get, had I bought a 280, and its literally not much cheaper.

[mortino]

6 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

So a Ryzen 7 1800x and a 1080 Ti is the " most expensive and not performing " stuff I could find? Are you dumb? Yes the ram is premium, yes the SSD is premium, yes the mobo is premium, yes the 1700 is the same thing just lower clock speed. But I want premium, this will be a no-compromises PC.

 

I have debated going for the 1700 over the 1800x but I want the highest clock speeds possible, as you said ryzen is not superior to intel for gaming, so the higher the clock speeds, the more I can make the difference. And the cooler is just for looks mostly, I like the block and I like seeing a giant radiator in the front of the case, plus the kraken x62 is what I would get, had I bought a 280, and its literally not much cheaper.

Calm down dude, you asked for opinions and just because you don't like the common consensus of "waste of money" doesn't mean you should get all mad and butt hurt at people. Good choice on PSU and case though.

[Jurrunio]

18 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

I have debated going for the 1700 over the 1800x but I want the highest clock speeds possible, as you said ryzen is not superior to intel for gaming, so the higher the clock speeds, the more I can make the difference.

They all just hit the 4.1GHz wall with liquid cooling and refuse to go up, so there's no difference.

[OnionRings]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

They all just hit the 4.1GHz wall with liquid cooling and refuse to go up, so there's no difference.

Oh really? The 1700 can OC just as high? I did not know that. So what the hell is the point of the 1800x other than sounding fancier?

[Jurrunio]

6 hours ago, OnionRings said:

Oh really? The 1700 can OC just as high? I did not know that. So what the hell is the point of the 1800x other than sounding fancier?

When Ryzen first launched Ryzen non-X models overclock to about 3.8GHz max even with liquid cooling while X models clock to 4GHz regularly, so there's that. Nowadays, there's no difference.

 

Zen+ based Ryzen 2 will launch in April so you might want to wait out for that. Leaks show impressive performance increase of 20%, they are leaks after all.

[OnionRings]

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

When Ryzen first launched Ryzen non-X models overclock to about 3.8GHz max even with liquid cooling while X models clock to 4GHz regularly, so there's that. Nowadays, there's no difference.

Ok I see, thank you. Well then I guess I will get the 1700. No point wasting money. Will I have to give it more voltage or anything though compared to the 1800x? Will it be harder to OC or anything?

 

5 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Zen+ based Ryzen 2 will launch in April so you might want to wait out for that.

I may, I probably won't be building for a while anyway, I just wanted to get something put together for 1. fun and 2. to get a basic idea of what I want.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, OnionRings said:

Ok I see, thank you. Well then I guess I will get the 1700. No point wasting money. Will I have to give it more voltage or anything though compared to the 1800x? Will it be harder to OC or anything?

At this stage they seemed to be the same thing, no longer binned.

[OnionRings]

Fixed it. Still expensive due to 1080 Ti prices, when they normalize it will go down like 500$ but I went for a much cheaper SSD and decided to recycle the HDD in my current PC for mass storage. Went for a cheaper motherboard as well, the hero is nice, but really not needed.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sWXf7W

[Guest]

That 360mm AIO is overkill.

[OnionRings]

10 hours ago, lee32uk said:

That 360mm AIO is overkill.

Probably, probably gonna switch it out for whatever 280 version they have because I think the corsair pump is nice

[seon123]

4 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

Probably, probably gonna switch it out for whatever 280 version they have because I think the corsair pump is nice

Corsair doesn't make any AiOs, they use the same Asetek pump as nearly everyone else

[OnionRings]

Just now, seon123 said:

Corsair doesn't make any AiOs, they use the same Asetek pump as nearly everyone else

I meant the block...

[brob]

Just now, OnionRings said:

I meant the block...

The pump is incorporated into the block. 

[OnionRings]

Just now, brob said:

The pump is incorporated into the block. 

Quit busting my balls guys lmao I meant I like the look of the block, you know, the shiny rgb part that sits on the cpu? Yea that thing.

[OnionRings]

Oh and i might see if I can find a nice cheap B350 board over that X370, since I'm not doing SLI

[seon123]

16 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

Oh and i might see if I can find a nice cheap B350 board over that X370, since I'm not doing SLI

Only do so if you won't overclock. In which case you don't need a huge AiO. The VRMs on all the B350 boards are too crappy to support a Ryzen 8 core on water. 

[OnionRings]

Really? Then the tech youtubers lied, they said B350 was fine for OCing.

[seon123]

6 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

Really? Then the tech youtubers lied, they said B350 was fine for OCing.

Gamersnexus just posted this. 

Spoiler

 

Then you have Buildzoid with this video.

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Gamersnexus has this video.

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Most other YouTubers (thinking Paulshardware, Bitwit, Hardware Unboxed, Science Studio) simply have no clue about motherboard VRMs, and any recommendations are due to ignorance/obliviousness, rather than intentionally lying. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by seon123
Something something

[Ironi]

On 23 februari 2018 at 7:02 AM, OnionRings said:

So a Ryzen 7 1800x and a 1080 Ti is the " most expensive and not performing " stuff I could find? Are you dumb? Yes the ram is premium, yes the SSD is premium, yes the mobo is premium, yes the 1700 is the same thing just lower clock speed. But I want premium, this will be a no-compromises PC.

 

I have debated going for the 1700 over the 1800x but I want the highest clock speeds possible, as you said ryzen is not superior to intel for gaming, so the higher the clock speeds, the more I can make the difference. And the cooler is just for looks mostly, I like the block and I like seeing a giant radiator in the front of the case, plus the kraken x62 is what I would get, had I bought a 280, and its literally not much cheaper.

Ryzen is not as good as Intel in gaming. It is for the price way better for video editting streaming etc. But there won't be a big difference between ryzen And Intel. Maybe 5 fps? With a Good gpu it won't be a big deal. Btw calling ppl dumb is not the smartest move, he wanted to help u:

[OnionRings]

21 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Gamersnexus just posted this. 

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Then you have Buildzoid with this video.

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Gamersnexus has this video.

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Most other YouTubers (thinking Paulshardware, Bitwit, Hardware Unboxed, Science Studio) simply have no clue about motherboard VRMs, and any recommendations are due to ignorance/obliviousness, rather than intentionally lying. 

Question then, will air cooling be ok? because I was debating on air anyway.