Worth upgrading? 7500/H270 -> 6600K/Z170?

[Gerr]

My current bedroom system, which I use as a backup gaming system, has a i5-7500 CPU on a H270 mobo and a GTX 1060 6GB.  I recently replaced the CPU in my main gaming rig and now have a spare i5-6600k that can OC to 4.6Ghz @ 1.32v.  My initial plan was just to sell that CPU, but I thought of another option.  I have a spare NZXT x41 AIO, so I thought I could buy a used Z170 mobo, put the 6600K into it, and replace my current 7500/H270 cpu/mobo combo with the 6600K/z170 combo which can overclock.  Yes, I know the 6600K/Z170 is older tech, but it can overclock where the 7500 can't.  Plus Intel secretly removed RST from the H270 chipset, so I can't use my 64GB SSD drive as cache for my 7200RPM game drive.  And yes, I notice a difference!

 

My question is would I get a good jump in FPS by switching from a 7500/H270 combo running at stock speed to a 6600K/Z170 combo running at 4.6Ghz, both with a GTX 1060 6GB?  Just not sure it's worth the money or effort.

[Synawke]

not worth it

[TheSLSAMG]

The 6600K may be older tech, but it's still the same IPC as the 7500. If I were in your position, I would do it. Z170 boards are easily found for decent prices, and you can still sell off the i5 7500 and the H270 motherboard anyways.

[LienusLateTips]

nyet

[davyre89]

9 minutes ago, Gerr said:

My question is would I get a good jump in FPS by switching from a 7500/H270 combo running at stock speed to a 6600K/Z170 combo running at 4.6Ghz, both with a GTX 1060 6GB?  Just not sure it's worth the money or effort.

Yes, you will definitely see the FPS improvement, more so if you were using 1070.

 

Whether it's worth your money or effort really depends on individual. Well I really enjoy building/ customizing PCs and I treat it more as entertainment, hobby and lots of fun. I do spend money on upgrading parts once in a while and I feel it's fine. 

[Klemmbrett]

I think the 6600K is still a good CPU i own one which is also nice silicon and before Intel gives us 8c/16t on mainstream platform in around 9 months ill stick with it for my gaming system. I even consider to use it even longer when i dont see any games i play bottleneck because of CPU which has not yet happend for me. 

[ARikozuM]

You're going from a quad-core to another similar quad-core. Not worth it, look into getting an i7 or going CFL/Ryzen. 

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, Gerr said:

 

Just sell whatever you were going to sell

[Klemmbrett]

32 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

You're going from a quad-core to another similar quad-core. Not worth it, look into getting an i7 or going CFL/Ryzen. 

Its his backup machine and he already got that 6600K which also won the silicon lottery so i think 100 dollar on a z170 mobo is not the worst deal and he can still sell the 7500 and his H270 board and get the money for a board from this components. 

[Streetguru]

2 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

Its his backup machine and he already got that 6600K which also won the silicon lottery so i think 100 dollar on a z170 mobo is not the worst deal and he can still sell the 7500 and his H270 board and get the money for a board from this components. 

Or he can just sell the 6600K? And then have more money overall?

[Stefan Payne]

 

3 hours ago, Gerr said:

My question is would I get a good jump in FPS by switching from a 7500/H270 combo running at stock speed to a 6600K/Z170 combo running at 4.6Ghz, both with a GTX 1060 6GB?  Just not sure it's worth the money or effort.

Does it really matter with all that shit that's going on right now that concerns Intel and Intel CPUs??

With all the security issues the CPUs cause and the fixes that aren't even implemented right now, we can't even say wich one of those two will come out on top. Not enough information right now we have...

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

 

It doesn't affect the average consumer

[Stefan Payne]

9 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It doesn't affect the average consumer

How can you know that when Spectre 2 isn't fixed yet?!

You don't!
I don't!

NOBODY does!

[Klemmbrett]

4 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

NOBODY does!

Disagree with that

5 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Does it really matter with all that shit that's going on right now that concerns Intel and Intel CPUs??

Not only Intel CPU´s, ARM and AMD because there using the same Architecture Intel licensed that to them long ago. But as far is i know AMD has some kind "protection layer" and you need physical access to an AMD machine to do something harmful and also Linux based systems have a different approach with their CPU to OS communication by the  Kernel so less likely that something happens their over the network but yea i know 99 % of Gamers use Windows anyway. Whats most awful about this is that Intel knows this since June and the fix their working on will be a performance minus for everyone.

[ShadowChaser]

Z170 boards are typically $100 new for good basic oc-ing, and ~$50 used. All depends on if you're willing to spend to get what is potentially only a few % more than what you have rn.

[Stefan Payne]

11 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

Disagree with that

Because you strongly believe in Intel???

We are talking about VW level shit here!!

 

Knowingly releasing shit that doesn't work the way it should...

 

11 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

Not only Intel CPU´s, ARM and AMD because there using the same Architecture Intel licensed that to them long ago.

That's a lie.

The Architecture has nothing to do with it.

You just have to take a look at the Intel Atom series.

None of those are listed anywhere - except for the latest generation.

Because the problem is speculative excecution, Atom didn't have that before the Z3000 series (Bay Trail) and the ones with speculative (out of order) excecution are listed as affected by this issue...

 

11 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

But as far is i know AMD has some kind "protection layer"

no, they don't.

Their speculative excecution works in a way that this shit we are talking about, does not happen.

That is one of the reasons the Intels were faster but we can call that now a cheat because they were faster at the cost of security.

 

If you would, you could say that AMD didn't do it the way Intel did because they knew that it will be an issue in the future...

 

11 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

Whats most awful about this is that Intel knows this since June and the fix their working on will be a performance minus for everyone.

And that they released TWO new CPU Series in that timeframe!

How can you defend a company that knowingly releases products that aren't safe to use?!

[Klemmbrett]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

14 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

Disagree with that

Because you strongly believe in Intel???

We are talking about VW level shit here!!

 

Knowingly releasing shit that doesn't work the way it should...

 

VW betrayed intentional to make their engines apear clean, this is a bug on hardware level that Intel did not build intentional  and even if for what reason to harm themselves? I cant even remotly understand how you can associate this bug to the VW thing. This failure is 10 years old and i dont want to defend Intel in any way just mentioned  that there not only ones affected by this. 

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

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Whats most awful about this is that Intel knows this since June and the fix their working on will be a performance minus for everyone.

And that they released TWO new CPU Series in that timeframe!

How can you defend a company that knowingly releases products that aren't safe to use?!

 I did not defend Intel in any way and even in the comment you quoted i criticized them for 2 things

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

If you would, you could say that AMD didn't do it the way Intel did because they knew that it will be an issue in the future.

Nope they knew shit about this issue everyone did till june 2017. And the public knows it since 2018 ..
 

Because its 01:45 ill summarize:

You hate Intel for that breach/bug/misconstruction whatever you wanna call it 
You wont accept that this is not only an Intel problem.
You think AMD is superior. 
You dont understand what this is about, you might have read an article, but if you read and interpret them like comments on this forum i can kinda see why. 
You wont accept that one of the issues is an architecture problem on hardware level.

You read between the lines and interpret some strange thoughts into my comments and those of others.

 

im out of this i could as well talk to a wall or teach my magic unicorn to fly so i can avoid traffic jams in the future. 

[Stefan Payne]

7 hours ago, Klemmbrett said:

VW betrayed intentional to make their engines apear clean, this is a bug on hardware level that Intel did not build intentional  and even if for what reason to harm themselves? I cant even remotly understand how you can associate this bug to the VW thing. This failure is 10 years old and i dont want to defend Intel in any way just mentioned  that there not only ones affected by this. 

Intel knew about it for at least six Months.

Did or did they not release any CPU in the last six Months?!

They Intentionally released two faulty CPU series (we ignore Kaby-X right now because nobody cares)

 

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 I did not defend Intel in any way

And why do you defend Intel right now?
Why do you attack me personally?
Why don't you recommend everyone that wants to buy Intel right now to wait a couple of Weeks until this shit really is over?!

That is the only right thing to do.

Because this thing is NOT over right now. Spectre 2 is still not fixed by Intel.
AMD was never really affected...

 

What do you say about what fefe said about this:
https://blog.fefe.de/?ts=a4b102bf

 

 

And what do you say about this tweet:

 

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Because its 01:45 ill summarize:

You hate Intel for that breach/bug/misconstruction whatever you wanna call it 
You wont accept that this is not only an Intel problem.
You think AMD is superior. 
You dont understand what this is about, you might have read an article, but if you read and interpret them like comments on this forum i can kinda see why. 
You wont accept that one of the issues is an architecture problem on hardware level.

You read between the lines and interpret some strange thoughts into my comments and those of others.

 

im out of this i could as well talk to a wall or teach my magic unicorn to fly so i can avoid traffic jams in the future. 

 

There we go again...

I say somethings you don't like, you don't have an argument, you attack the messanger...

 

What I am saying is:
a) Intel is Lying about other manufacturers

b) most of this shit only affects Intel CPUs, others not so much. ARM seems to be also affected

c) This thing is a Hardware Bug that can only really be fixed in Hardware, not Software.

 

And what do you say about this:
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=11596293&postcount=739

 

So in the end:

You are shilling for Intel, I am warning that the shit isn't over!!

 

Since you are a German as well, read this:

https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=11596461&postcount=762 <- If you look a bit, you at least know what he has done in the past couple of years.

 

 Sie muessen auf das Verhalten von AMD zurueck fallen um den selben Schutz zu haben und das wird sie Performance kosten,

Translate:

Intel has to fall back to the way AMD does Branch prediction for the same security and that will cost performance for them