Single PC Streaming

[DylanN9]

Hello,

 

I have been searching for a new GPU for a while now, my current GPU is bottlenecking my i7 (at least I've been told) so, I am wanting an upgrade. My question is how would a GTX 1080 and an i7-4790k do with streaming? My goal would be running a 720p stream as-well as playing games like CSGO, Arma 3, GTAV, and many other high motion games. I am super new to this and would appreciate any information I can get. I already own an i7-4790k, 16gb RAM, and the MSI Gaming 7 Motherboard. Would this upgrade help with the lag I get in certain games while streaming?

 

Thank you!

[LienusLateTips]

It's a CPU bottleneck. Go get a Ryzen 7.

[DylanN9]

4 minutes ago, JDE said:

It's a CPU bottleneck. Go get a Ryzen 7.

If my current GPU is causing the CPU bottleneck wouldn't a new CPU bottleneck also?

 

I do not know much about this, just asking questions.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, DylanN9 said:

If my current GPU is causing the CPU bottleneck wouldn't a new CPU bottleneck also?

 

I do not know much about this, just asking questions.

Streaming uses so many cores, first thing I think is a CPU. Can that person say why it's a GPU bottleneck. For 720p streaming it's more than enough.

[DylanN9]

7 minutes ago, JDE said:

Streaming uses so many cores, first thing I think is a CPU. Can that person say why it's a GPU bottleneck. For 720p streaming it's more than enough.

I think I might have confused you. My current setup is a GTX 780TI with an i7-4790k as the CPU. I have been told the 780TI is causing the CPU"?" to bottleneck, I am streaming on a daily and am considering upgrading the GPU to a GTX 1080. I am wondering if the GPU if/when purchased (GTX 1080 and i7-4790k) would cure the bottlenecking and allow me to have higher FPS while streaming? I am wanting to spend $600 or less, I stream and record videos on a daily.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, DylanN9 said:

I think I might have confused you. My current setup is a GTX 780TI with an i7-4790k as the CPU. I have been told the 780TI is causing the CPU"?" to bottleneck, I am streaming on a daily and am considering upgrading the GPU to a GTX 1080. I am wondering if the setup if/when purchased (GTX 1080 and i7-4790k) would cure the bottlenecking and allow me to have higher FPS while streaming? I am wanting to spend $600 or less, I stream and record videos on a daily.

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That's not what a bottleneck is.

 

A bottleneck is a particular component that is slowing down the rest of the system. The 780 Ti can't make your CPU bottleneck the rest of the system.

[DylanN9]

3 minutes ago, JDE said:

? 

That's not what a bottleneck is.

 

A bottleneck is a particular component that is slowing down the rest of the system. The 780 Ti can't make your CPU bottleneck the rest of the system.

 

Hmm, I was told by two others that the GPU(780 Ti) is causing the CPU to slow down or "bottleneck". 

 

Am I not NEEDING to upgrade the GPU?

 

Here are two quotes from the people I talked to.

 

"it will bog down your CPU, which is already being bottlenecked by your older gen GPU."

 

"Oh yeah, an i7 with a 780 would bottleneck the shit out of it"

 

I may be the one confused here, but from what I can tell he is talking about the 780Ti "bogging" down the CPU.

 

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, DylanN9 said:

 

Hmm, I was told by two others that the GPU(780 Ti) is causing the CPU to slow down or "bottleneck". 

 

Am I not NEEDING to upgrade the GPU?

Get better tech advice.

 

Try to use a hardware monitor while streaming, and see what's the culprit. The thing running at around 100% is.

[tp95112]

1 minute ago, DylanN9 said:

 

Hmm, I was told by two others that the GPU(780 Ti) is causing the CPU to slow down or "bottleneck". 

 

Am I not NEEDING to upgrade the GPU?

I think wh ever is giving you this advice are pulling shit out of theirre ass and throwing terms they hear.

Streaming requires cores. Gpu has nothing to do with what is encoding and sent to your viewers unless the game is hard to run and the gpu isnt holding the frames you need but that can be easily fixed by just turning down settings. 

[DylanN9]

Alrighty, thank you! Like I said, I am new to this and want a better understanding of all this. 

 

I really appreciate you taking the time out of your night to help me.

 

Thank you once again!

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, DylanN9 said:

Alrighty, thank you! Like I said, I am new to this and want a better understanding of all this. 

 

I really appreciate you taking the time out of your night to help me.

 

Thank you once again!

It's only 8 for me up here in Western Canada

 

You live in the US, right? I'll compile a list of parts that will help you solve your bottleneck.

[DylanN9]

Yes, the US here. And perfect! Thank you.

[LienusLateTips]

3 minutes ago, DylanN9 said:

Yes, the US here. And perfect! Thank you.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($288.33 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($143.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $607.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-24 23:55 EST-0500

 

Use your existing cooler if it supports; otherwise use the stock cooler, it's pretty good. 

What PSU do you have right now?

[Damascus]

23 minutes ago, JDE said:

Try to use a hardware monitor while streaming, and see what's the culprit. The thing running at around 100% is.

Not really, a GPU will always try to run 100%

[DylanN9]

10 minutes ago, JDE said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($288.33 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($143.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $607.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-24 23:55 EST-0500

 

Use your existing cooler if it supports; otherwise use the stock cooler, it's pretty good. 

What PSU do you have right now?

 

Looks good, thank you for your help!

[KenjiUmino]

36 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Not really, a GPU will always try to run 100%

often, but not always. there are situations where the GPU can not go all out or does not even need to.

 

one example would be either with vsync enabled or in games with a framerate cap - like rocket league and some capcom games 

 

speaking of framerate caps - i just fired up portal 2 out of curiosity and turned vsync off - that game is playable on even the worst potato so it should be able to push out fps like crazy on my system. the truth is, it would not go above 288 fps. the GPU never went above 60% and the CPU not above 40% either

 

does that mean the game is limited at just under 300 fps or what?

 

anyways, if you notice that your GPU is pinned at (or near) 100% while the CPU is not doing much then the GPU is probably the reason why you don't get more fps. a better graphics card might help here

 

when the CPU is at 100% but the GPU is sitting at 40-60% then it's the CPU that is holding you back.

if you see this happen and get worse when you start streaming the game then a new graphics card will NOT help and you either need a beefier CPU or drop to a lower encoder preset (or use nvenc)