Should I upgrade to a 7700K or 8700K (details bleow)?

[testudoaubreii]

Hello. I have been going back and forth over this and I  am pulling my hair out...all in the sake of saving cash. 

 

I have an i3 6100 right now.

 

Anyhow, I have everything I need right now to upgrade to an i7 7700K (minus the actual CPU and cooler). Now, I can upgrade to an i7 8700K (or possibly an 8600k?), but I would have to buy a new mobo, which would have to be a mini ITX to fit the case I am using now. I would really look into getting a new case if I went the 8700K route.

 

I would be saving some money by going the 7700K way, but is the 8700K enough of an upgrade to warrant that purchase, and possibly the purchase of a new case. I will be using it mostly for school, which is a lot of 4D Cinema, After Effects, Photoshop, Dreamweaver...etc. Some 1080p gaming, too (looking at Assassin's Creed Origins, in particular). 

 

Thank you in advance for all of your help and responses!

[MrTiC]

Since you only have the mobo for the 7700k i would say sell that and go with the 8700k .. its a very nice upgrade 

[Joseph Stacklin]

5 minutes ago, testudoaubreii said:

Hello. I have been going back and forth over this and I  am pulling my hair out...all in the sake of saving cash. 

 

Anyhow, I have everything I need right now to upgrade to an i7 7700K (minus the actual CPU and cooler). Now, I can upgrade to an i7 8700K, but I would have to buy a new mobo, which would have to be a mini ITX to fit the case I am using now. I would really look into getting a new case if I went the 8700K route.

 

I would be saving some money by going the 7700K way, but is the 8700K enough of an upgrade to warrant that purchase, and possibly the purchase of a new case. I will be using it mostly for school, which is a lot of 4D Cinema, After Effects, Photoshop, Dreamweaver...etc. Some 1080p gaming, too (looking at Assassin's Creed Origins, in particular). 

 

Thank you in advance for all of your help and responses!

I'd do the 8700K and a b350 mobo when they come out later this month/early next month. You already have the RAM, but you could easily flip your current system (minus your GPU, throw in a cheap $4 hard drive from Webuy and you're good to go)! This means more money in your pocket so you can flip your whole system, then upgrade to the 8700K, once the b350's come out. It's definitely a better upgrade, especially when considering cores and clock speed.

[ImNotThere]

8 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

I'd do the 8700K and a b350 mobo when they come out later this month/early next month. You already have the RAM, but you could easily flip your current system (minus your GPU, throw in a cheap $4 hard drive from Webuy and you're good to go)! This means more money in your pocket so you can flip your whole system, then upgrade to the 8700K, once the b350's come out. It's definitely a better upgrade, especially when considering cores and clock speed.

b350 is am4 amd got it lul

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, ImNotThere said:

b350 is am4 amd got it lul

Whoops. My b. They're B360. Not confusing at all, AMD. Thanks.

[ImNotThere]

6 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

Whoops. My b. They're B360. Not confusing at all, AMD. Thanks.

i believe its b370? abd then intel has b390 aswell

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, ImNotThere said:

i believe its b370? abd then intel has b390 aswell

Holy crap. So who should we blame for these naming conventions? Why can't we just have them be like "This year we have the Hector (H-series), Billy (b-series), and Zach (z-series) chipsets!"

[HanaLover]

3 minutes ago, ImNotThere said:

i believe its b370? abd then intel has b390 aswell

no they're B360

[Verrm]

2 minutes ago, ImNotThere said:

i believe its b370? abd then intel has b390 aswell

I think we all agree it's about the B-series board.

 

Back to the original question though - In your use case I would buy an AMD Ryzen 7 1700 and a b350 motherboard. This CPU is more then enough for 1080p gaming and overclocks well on b350 motherboards and stock cooler. It will save you some money and provide you with a beast of a CPU for productivity workloads. The 8700k upgrade is not worth it at the moment. Either get Ryzen 1700 or wait for H-series Coffee Lake motherboards and buy it with 8700 (non-k).

[Joseph Stacklin]

5 minutes ago, Verrm said:

I think we all agree it's about the B-series board.

 

Back to the original question though - In your use case I would buy an AMD Ryzen 7 1700 and a b350 motherboard. This CPU is more then enough for 1080p gaming and overclocks well on b350 motherboards and stock cooler. It will save you some money and provide you with a beast of a CPU for productivity workloads. The 8700k upgrade is not worth it at the moment. Either get Ryzen 1700 or wait for H-series Coffee Lake motherboards and buy it with 8700 (non-k).

I agree to this point. You could also save some money (about $150 or so) and go with the R5 1600 or 1600X and get the same core-count and potentially better overclocking.

[Verrm]

1 minute ago, wolfboytech said:

I agree to this point. You could also save some money (about $150 or so) and go with the R5 1600 or 1600X and get the same core-count and potentially better overclocking.

Yes though he would have to check the performance of r5 1600 vs 7700k in applications he uses, because it might be better for him to take 7700k over 1600. I am pretty confident though that Ryzen 7 1700 will be best buy in his situation. Personally I think that 16 threads of 1700 makes a significant improvement in productivity thus justifying price over 12 threads of 1600.

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, Verrm said:

Yes though he would have to check the performance of r5 1600 vs 7700k in applications he uses, because it might be better for him to take 7700k over 1600. I am pretty confident though that Ryzen 7 1700 will be best buy in his situation. Personally I think that 16 threads of 1700 makes a significant improvement in productivity thus justifying price over 12 threads of 1600.

While I respect your opinion, I also respectfully disagree. For the most part the extra threads in the 1600 would be better than the 7700K because they need the extra logical threads because of their workloads. While you can get the 7700K higher, for more cost and less threads, the only good side to it, is QuickSync which can help in GPU-based applications.

 

Personally I would choose X264 or X265 encoding any day over that of QuickSync's H264 codecs. Looks better and will allow OP to potentially save money for a second GPU down the line which will drastically increase render times if using GPU accelleration for the programs OP listed.

[Verrm]

6 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

While I respect your opinion, I also respectfully disagree. For the most part the extra threads in the 1600 would be better than the 7700K because they need the extra logical threads because of their workloads. While you can get the 7700K higher, for more cost and less threads, the only good side to it, is QuickSync which can help in GPU-based applications.

 

Personally I would choose X264 or X265 encoding any day over that of QuickSync's H264 codecs. Looks better and will allow OP to potentially save money for a second GPU down the line which will drastically increase render times if using GPU accelleration for the programs OP listed.

Makes sense, let's see what OP can afford, prices differ greatly between regions.

 

OP: Please check such setups price in your region:

1. Your current PC + 7700k

2. B350 MiniITX Motherboard (from Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock, etc) + Ryzen 1600

3. B350 MiniITX Motherboard (from Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock, etc) + Ryzen 1700

4. Z370 MiniITX Motherboard + i7 8700

 

Then we can tell you a bit more about value for your needs. We will not include new case cost here - this is mostly cosmetic and personal choice. 

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, Verrm said:

Makes sense, let's see what OP can afford, prices differ greatly between regions.

 

OP: Please check such setups price in your region:

1. Your current PC + 7700k

2. B350 MiniITX Motherboard (from Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock, etc) + Ryzen 1600

3. B350 MiniITX Motherboard (from Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock, etc) + Ryzen 1700

4. Z370 MiniITX Motherboard + i7 8700

 

Then we can tell you a bit more about value for your needs. We will not include new case cost here - this is mostly cosmetic and personal choice. 

If OP can, PCPartPicker can break down prices and usually works internationally.

[Eduard the weeb]

1 hour ago, wolfboytech said:

b350

b360 right ?

[Joseph Stacklin]

8 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

b360 right ?

Yeah, we discussed that prior in the thread and decided that someone at AMD and Intel was playing pranks on their users and just wanted to see us all suffer.

[Eduard the weeb]

1 minute ago, wolfboytech said:

Yeah, we discussed that prior in the thread and decided that someone at AMD and Intel was playing pranks on their users and just wanted to see us all suffer.

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, Eduard the weeb said:

Welcome to the year 2017. Hopefully we just wake up and get really good components and deals in 2018, like how I'm gonna get a 1070 used under $300

[Princess Luna]

There are 2 ways about it, i7 7700 on the mobo you have for i5 8400 performance or get the locked i7 8700 which is fairly identical in performance to the i7 8700k at 5ghz but far more cheaper and without the need to delid, expensive cooling, expensive z370 for 5ghz overclocking.

[Joseph Stacklin]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

There are 2 ways about it, i7 7700 on the mobo you have for i5 8400 performance or get the locked i7 8700 which is fairly identical in performance to the i7 8700k at 5ghz but far more cheaper and without the need to delid, expensive cooling, expensive z370 for 5ghz overclocking.

I mean, you don't have to delid, or get expensive cooling, or get the z370 if you are patient and wait for the market to fix itself.

[i_build_nanosuits]

i would get an i7-7700 non K...save the money, the 7700 is PLENTY for ALL games so long as you stick with a GPU to match the resolution you game at, like a GTX 1070 for 1080p or a GTX 1080/1080ti for 1440p or 4K.

[Joseph Stacklin]

15 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i would get an i7-7700 non K...save the money, the 7700 is PLENTY for ALL games so long as you stick with a GPU to match the resolution you game at, like a GTX 1070 for 1080p or a GTX 1080/1080ti for 1440p or 4K.

OP isn't just gaming. They're a graphics student. Also, why would you ever need a 1070 for 1080p? That's 1060 teritory there, friend. 1070 best for 1440p, 1070ti best for 1440p and light 4k, and 1080/1080ti is for 4k+

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 hour ago, wolfboytech said:

OP isn't just gaming. They're a graphics student. Also, why would you ever need a 1070 for 1080p? That's 1060 teritory there, friend. 1070 best for 1440p, 1070ti best for 1440p and light 4k, and 1080/1080ti is for 4k+

**Friend...i have a GTX 1080 and it's just fine for 1440p High/ultra...if you want 1080p ultra 60FPS+ minimums...good luck with a 1060...''friend''

1070 is a very nice card for 1080p is you like to turn on those settings and have some nice anti-aliasing and never drop bellow 60FPS...1440p with a 1070 you're looking at high settings with very little or no AA in demanding games, it's a NICE card for 1440p, but it will left a bit to be desired IMHO.

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

**Friend...i have a GTX 1080 and it's just fine for 1440p High/ultra...if you want 1080p ultra 60FPS+ minimums...good luck with a 1060...''friend''

I have no idea what you're doing wrong then, because I have no issues with the 6GB 1060 doing 1080p high because I don't like ultra settings, and based on a lot of people, only PCMR elitests (apparently like yourself), require such quality. The rest of us who like our computers but wouldn't sell our childeren to Gaben or his Five Demons will stick to High-Ultra settings.

 

"Ultra" may also refer to the most advanced graphical settings via the GUI, not through custom INI files or mods.

 

1050 - 720p High-Ultra

1050Ti - 1080p Medium-High

1060 3G/6G (later just offers better frame numbers) - 1080p High-Ultra or 1440p Medium-High

1070 - 1080p Ultra; 1440p High-Ultra; 4K Medium-High

1070Ti - 1440p Ultra; 4k High-Ultra

1080 - 1440p Ultra; 4k Ultra

1080Ti - 4k+ Ultra

Titan Xp - Overkill, 4k+ Ultra

Titan XP - Overkill, 4k+ Ultra

Titan V - Waste of Money, 4k+ High-Ultra

 

I could also copy/paste the list for AMD, but I highly doubt you even care about that. I was trying to be civil and you come in trying to flash around your elitism. Not all of us can afford $30k gaming systems like yourself and just because you can doesn't mean you are any better or worse than me. We both still bleed red and we are all still human. The differences is simply the level of pettiness between each of us.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, wolfboytech said:

I have no idea what you're doing wrong then, because I have no issues with the 6GB 1060 doing 1080p high because I don't like ultra settings

your first sentence clears it all up...you are doing 1080p high,...barely right now...and within 4 months from now you'll want a new card...friend.

i did not read the rest.