Nvidia FE vs Manufacturer edition

[xxliu95]

Hi guys!

 

I found a good deal for a Founders edition of the gtx1060, there is some advantages or flaws over for example msi gtx 1060 armor 6G?

 

Thank you in advanced!

[Jurrunio]

Higher temps.

[desertcomputer]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Higher temps.

More Noise

[Princess Luna]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Higher temps.

Not really, at this level of GPU it does not matter.

10 minutes ago, MrUnknownEMC said:

More Noise

Not really, only people that never had FE cards and likes parroting what a few YouTubers say that

 

9 minutes ago, L.Lawliet said:

Ugly

What? the FE 1060 is really pretty card.

 

8 minutes ago, L.Lawliet said:

Armor series is the budget GPU line up from MSI.

But i think it has better cooler than blower fan.

Again it does not matter at this level of GPU both will cool the card appropriately, also depending on his case the blowers might make perfect sense.

 

Personal note: For real people stop treating FE cards as junk, Armor cards are very meh and as stated its MSi low entry, odds are the FE card has a better binned chip since MSi ditches their worse ones after the binning process on the Armor card at least for the 1060 chip... for 1070 and 1080/80 Ti it is the Aero that gets the shitty chips.

[AT0MAC]

I really wish my GTX 1070 was a FE version, and not the Zotac Amp Extreme as I have now.

Because I would love to water cool it and its not really easily done with my model.

 

If ever you want to water cool, basically all manufacturers make a model of their full board water cooling solutions for FE designs.

That and if you have a extremely restrictive case, the way they blow air out of the case can sometimes be a big benefit, in my workstation I have a GTX 690 dual GPU reference design, its build in a 4U server rack case with terrible airflow, so in such a case the blower style works wonders to keep temps down.

 

So in special situations, FE designs can be key.

 

[Darkseth]

Depends...

120w (GTX 1060) isn't much, even for the Founders model. GTX 1080 Founders does struggle.

 

Back to 1060. There are Custom Cooler designs, who are MUCH worse, than the Founders (louder AND higher temps). For example, Zotac Mini and EVGA Gaming (Basic, NOT the "SC").

 

Some "cheaper" Models, like the Palit Dual / Gainward Dual (maybe also the cheaper MSI entry models), are not really cooler or more quiet than the Founders too.

 

Examples, German PCGH did some big measurements. 

Founders is at 73°C (83°C t would start throttling) under Load, at 2.4 Sone Loudness.

EVGA Gaming: 82-83°C, 3.6 Sone loudness, starts throttling.

EVGA Gaming SC: 68°C, 2.5 Sone loudness.

Zotac AMP!: 74°C, 1.0 Sone (that's already very quiet)

Palit Jetstream / Gainward Phoenix: 71-72°C, 1,3-1,4 Sone loudness.

MSI Gaming X: 67°C, 0.7 sone loudness

Asus Strix: 62°C, 2.4 Sone (just as loud as the Founders. Just better cooler.)

Gigabyte Gaming G1: 68°C, 2.4 Sone

 

 

Founders is average tbh, and okay. If you get it cheaper than every other, get it. If it's too loud, use your own fan curve. Let it stay a bit hotter + quieter instead.

Or go for Undervolting

Usually, the "non-OCed stock Clocks" can be achieved with already with 0.825 - 0.9 Volt (depending on the silicon lottery), instead of the standard 1.05 Volt.

That will greatly reduce power consumption, and thus heat.

 

I had the MSI Gaming X, and it managed 1876 Mhz~ or so with 0.8 Volt, which is pretty damn good. Power consumption dropped to 85w (instead 130~), and the Card was at around 60~ °C under Load because the cooler was too good for this little heat. It jumped between the state "cool enough for Zero-Fan", and "hot enough to start fans spinning" ^^"

 

I think, if you undervolt the founders, while keeping a similar Clock speed (and of course, +400-500 Mhz on Memory), Temperature should drop to 65-67°C  easy, and Fans should also be much quieter.

 

 

Also, a physical difference: Foudners is a Direct Heat Exhaust system, the whole Air that's used to cool the Chip will be blown out of the window --> the "hot air" will not stay in the Case, and won't increase temperature for your CPU, RAM, HDDs etc.

[Mick Naughty]

Fe is always better. Better to look at and wont sacrifice temps of other components. Quieter then multi fan setups. Unless you are using an open bench and make youtube videos. Also cant sag like some fancy cards.

 

[Darkseth]

Wrong.

A quick look into some reviews will show you, how wrong you are.

Even with a basic midi Case with only 2x 120mm Fans, a good Custom beats the living shit out of the Founders.

MSI Gaming X will be cooler AND MUCH quieter than a Founders, on the GTX 1060.

 

If we go up to bigger GPUs, like GTX 1080 or even 1080 ti, it's even more significant, because the Founders edition cooler is Not strong enough, to keep a GTX 1080 cool, not to mention a 1080 ti.

Even on a mere 180 Watt GTX 1080, the Card reaches 83°C, and throttles quite significantly. Sometimes by like 200 Mhz down. And while doing so, the Card is quite Loud too.

 

So yea. You don't need an open Bench, or super size Cases with 6 fans for that.

Only on midrange cards, Founders is Decent. And only Decent. Not great. Just average.

 

Same for AMD Vega for example. First custom cards are multiple times quieter than the crappy Reference (which is basicly a Founders, nothing else).

[Mick Naughty]

Fe is plenty, Doubt msi makes better coolers then evga or asus. Already done them all plenty of times and its proven every time. I Always have more then one card and no way is some open air cooler gonna be better in any rig for me. 

Maybe a single card with a decent scenario will be just fine but I'm not taking the hit on looks running open air coolers. 

 

To each there own as it isn't a guarantee, so youre wrong according to what ive have done. 

 

 

[Darkseth]

i'm not wrong, every single test proves it. i'm correct. ^^

 

Like i said above.

 

1060 FE: 73°C at 2.4 sone loudness.

1060 MSI Gaming X: 67°C at 0.7 Sone loudness.

 

by FAR more quiet, and 7°C cooler at the same time. How exactly is that not better? There is no chance, the Founders will even come CLOSE to these values.

 

 

Btw: We're not talking about YOU and YOUR Rig, or any SLI setup, that i wouldn't recommend anyway to anyone.

We're talking about single GPUs, mainly a Midrange GTX 1060. And regarding THIS, you are simply wrong. There is no opinion about that, or arguing or anything. You are wrong, which is proven by every single "Review"; that compares temperature / Noise from both, the Founders and a good custom model.

 

So i think i can doubt, you have ever read even 1 single GPU Review.

And i think i can doubt, you have ever compared Founders / Reference with a good Custom by yourself.

[Mick Naughty]

I don't care for anyone else reviews. Almost all I see are the same scenario played over and over again. 

I doubt you have ever owned a card while we're on the subject of doubts. 

So in low end models that prolly pays off. Still run my fe over anything else. 

[alphaproject]

I have the EVGA SSC version and I literally never hear it and it has a pretty white light that says EVGA 1060 etc...

 

Plus... screw those temps above... I get 55-60c max on a non-aggressive fan profile.

 

If I boosted the fan profile a bit it never goes over 55-56c even in Wolfenstein 2. It's pretty much in 14% unless it gets to 50c.

 

I have no idea how any 1060 gets to 72C which is where my 970 ran when the fans worked. Screw you Zotac.

[Frankenburger]

In terms of raw performance, custom models are often 5%-ish faster than FE models due to better cooling and how GPU boost works. But aside from that, a FE card is not a bad card by any means. They operate better in smaller chassis and tighter spaces with less airflow and are guaranteed to work with aftermarket cooling solutions if you want to go that route. As others have mentioned earlier, custom models are known to be quieter, but they are often tested with open air test benches. The difference in noise is hard to detect unless you have your tower sitting on your desk.