Vega 64 or GTX 1080 for build

[SoloDolo]

I am helping a friend re-build his PC. He is currently running a Fx-8350 @4.7ghz and a R9 Fury. He is gaming at standard 27inch 1080p. For the most part this setup still works quite well for 1080p gaming but he wants to upgrade.  So far Im leaning to go with a Vega 64 so he can utilize a FreeSync Ultrawide monitor. How are the drivers for Vega thus far? Is this setup worth it compared to a GTX 1080 and Gysnc monitor? 

Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KnYCGf/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.67 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Biostar - X370GT3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($107.80 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($207.90 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($145.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 64 8GB Video Card  ($504.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG - 34UC79G-B 34.0" 2560x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1899.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-06 11:47 EST-0500

[Max_Settings]

1080 is better for gaming, 64 is better for compute.

[MrTiC]

fucking hell vega 64 is cheap in the us .... (835$ here)

[DailyProcrastinator]

Vega 64 is too expensive, at its current price I wouldn't even consider it.

[i_build_nanosuits]

8 minutes ago, SoloDolo said:

Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 64 8GB Video Card  ($504.98 @ Newegg) 

Monitor: LG - 34UC79G-B 34.0" 2560x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
 

 

3 minutes ago, JM21 said:

Vega 64 is too expensive, at its current price I wouldn't even consider it.

he's listing it at 504.98$ on newegg?! holy...ok...and he has a freesync monitor already (?) then i would get the vega even though it's quite a piece of shit compared to the 1080 the variable refresh is amazing...so yeah...but above all else i would try to see if it's possible to fit a 2560x1440 Gsync monitor with a 1070 or a 1070ti instead...

 

 

[KoeppColto024470]

The 1080 and the 1080Ti are cheaper (depending on manufacturer and which one you get) and they are better for gaming. The Vega is more meant for workstation tasks such as 3D Rendering plus the Vega gives off more heat.

[i_build_nanosuits]

16 minutes ago, SoloDolo said:

I am helping a friend re-build his PC. He is currently running a Fx-8350 @4.7ghz and a R9 Fury. He is gaming at standard 27inch 1080p. For the most part this setup still works quite well for 1080p gaming but he wants to upgrade.  So far Im leaning to go with a Vega 64 so he can utilize a FreeSync Ultrawide monitor. How are the drivers for Vega thus far? Is this setup worth it compared to a GTX 1080 and Gysnc monitor? 

Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KnYCGf/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.67 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Biostar - X370GT3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($107.80 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($207.90 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($145.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 64 8GB Video Card  ($504.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG - 34UC79G-B 34.0" 2560x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1899.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-06 11:47 EST-0500

assuming you have 1900$ to spend on this machine, this would be a MUCH better choice for a gaming PC

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($87.84 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DUKE OC Video Card  ($514.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1883.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-06 12:11 EST-0500

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

he's listing it at 504.98$ on newegg?! holy...ok...and he has a freesync monitor already (?) then i would get the vega even though it's quite a piece of shit compared to the 1080 the variable refresh is amazing...so yeah...

I believe OP doesn't have a monitor yet, he just meant that a FreeSync one is cheaper by a lot so he's asking if it's worth it to get a Vega 64 + a FreeSync monitor for less, or pay more to get a 1080 + G-Sync. The gaming experience will be pretty much identical on both, so I'd lean towards the cheaper one (although the power draw difference is HUGE between those two cards, I suggest OP checks whether electricity is expensive is his area )

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

but above all else i would try to see if it's possible to fit a 2560x1440 Gsync monitor with a 1070 or a 1070ti instead...

Though isn't that a bit pointless if it would be a lot cheaper to get a FreeSync monitor with a Vega 56 instead? That card performs only a bit worse and draws a lot less power than a Vega 64 Pricing has stabilized from what I've heard so there's that too.

[i_build_nanosuits]

6 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I believe OP doesn't have a monitor yet, he just meant that a FreeSync one is cheaper by a lot so he's asking if it's worth it to get a Vega 64 + a FreeSync monitor for less, or pay more to get a 1080 + G-Sync. The gaming experience will be pretty much identical on both, so I'd lean towards the cheaper one (although the power draw difference is HUGE between those two cards, I suggest OP checks whether electricity is expensive is his area )

Though isn't that a bit pointless if it would be a lot cheaper to get a FreeSync monitor with a Vega 56 instead? That card performs only a bit worse and draws a lot less power than a Vega 64 Pricing has stabilized from what I've heard so there's that too.

i suggested a rig just above, you can compare the part lists...and maybe provide him with further advise

 

He's looking at a shit ass ultra wide 1080p freesync monitor that cost the same price as a full blown 1440p gsync monitor.

[SoloDolo]

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i suggested a rig just above, you can compare the part lists...and maybe provide him with further advise

 

He's looking at a shit ass ultra wide 1080p freesync monitor that cost the same price as a full blown 1440p gsync monitor.

I like the rig you posted and Im thinking it would be quite better. While I love Ultrawide, I think a Gysnc monitor would be better. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, SoloDolo said:

I like the rig you posted and Im thinking it would be quite better. While I love Ultrawide, I think a Gysnc montior would be better. 

yes because ultrawide can quite often be disapointing when it comes to games...and also it's only 1080p resolution the one you've picked and it's quite big so it will look atrocious if you sit anywhere close to it for gaming....games support ultrawide resolution for the most part these days but many are just ''stretching'' to fill the screen so the images looks just wierd. a good 16:9 is better.

 

You can still go with the Ryzen CPU if you like it better, it's similar in performance overall...8400 game a bit better but i doubt you'd see any difference...but for ryzen i would save some money and get a B350 board instead.

[SoloDolo]

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yes because ultrawide can quite often be disapointing when it comes to games...and also it's only 1080p resolution the on you've picked and it's quite big so it will look atrocious if you sit anywhere close to it for gaming....games support ultrawide resolution for the most part these days but many are just ''stretching'' to fill the screen so the images looks just wierd. a good 16:9 is better.

 

You can still go with the Ryzen CPU if you like it better, it's similar in performance overall...8400 game a bit better but i doubt you'd see any difference...but for ryzen i would save some money and get a B350 board instead.

I can agree. I game on a 3440x1440 Acer Predator and to me its incredible. It looks and plays incredible. I think going with the Ryzen 1600 will be fine for him. Hes an AMD Fanboy and  think this will make him feel better. Though I personally view brand loyalty is stupid as hell.  

[KoeppColto024470]

I'd recommend Nvidia over AMD while AMD is cheaper they draw more power and run hotter. The vega isn't worth it for gaming its meant for workstation style tasks its not optimized for gaming. You will get a boost from the Vega but it won't be a large enough boost to make it noticeable. Most games favor Nvidia over AMD  

[Morgan MLGman]

5 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yes because ultrawide can quite often be disapointing when it comes to games...and also it's only 1080p resolution the one you've picked and it's quite big so it will look atrocious if you sit anywhere close to it for gaming....games support ultrawide resolution for the most part these days but many are just ''stretching'' to fill the screen so the images looks just wierd. a good 16:9 is better.

 

You can still go with the Ryzen CPU if you like it better, it's similar in performance overall...8400 game a bit better but i doubt you'd see any difference...but for ryzen i would save some money and get a B350 board instead.

 

Just now, SoloDolo said:

I can agree. I game on a 3440x1440 Acer Predator and to me its incredible. It looks and plays incredible. I think going with the Ryzen 1600 will be fine for him. Hes an AMD Fanboy and  think this will make him feel better. Though I personally view brand loyalty is stupid as hell.  

Then maybe this build would be the "best of both worlds"?
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.67 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Shadow Rock 2 51.4 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($37.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($96.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($155.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($148.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DUKE OC Video Card  ($514.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1850.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-06 12:33 EST-0500

[KoeppColto024470]

The GTX 1080 has more Vram and runs at a higher clock speed which means it runs faster without overclocking.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Then maybe this build would be the "best of both worlds"?
 

yup! i would agree...not sure if i'd personally rather have the i5-8400 on the Z370 board...probably...but they are both great, perform about the same, and cost about the same...so yeah nice SSD BTW...500GB..wow

 

[SoloDolo]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Then maybe this build would be the "best of both worlds"?
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.67 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Shadow Rock 2 51.4 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($37.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($96.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($155.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($148.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DUKE OC Video Card  ($514.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1850.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-06 12:33 EST-0500

Very nice! I think he will agree to this. Also, 165hz monitor with Gysnc? Thats an amazing price. 

[Morgan MLGman]

3 minutes ago, KoeppColto024470 said:

I'd recommend Nvidia over AMD while AMD is cheaper they draw more power and run hotter. The vega isn't worth it for gaming its meant for workstation style tasks its not optimized for gaming. You will get a boost from the Vega but it won't be a large enough boost to make it noticeable. Most games favor Nvidia over AMD  

While this isn't accurate

Just now, KoeppColto024470 said:

The GTX 1080 has more Vram and runs at a higher clock speed which means it runs faster without overclocking.

This isn't accurate AT ALL. 1080 has the exact same amount of VRAM as any Vega GPU.

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yup! i would agree...not sure if i'd personally rather have the i5-8400 on the Z370 board...probably...but they are both great, perform about the same, and cost about the same...so yeah nice SSD BTW...500GB..wow

I'd also rather have an i5-8400 locked @4GHz but not on a Z370 board, the cheaper ones are very basic boards while still being expensive (over 100$)... But when H & B-series chipsets release, I'll be glad to recommend the 8400 because it's an amazing little chip

[AMDPRO]

40 minutes ago, MrTiC said:

fucking hell vega 64 is cheap in the us .... (835$ here)

Its $500

[KoeppColto024470]

If you check out the video Linus did when he Reviewed the Vega it shows in benchmarks that the Vega didn't perform any noticeable difference in most games vs the 1080

[i_build_nanosuits]

16 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

While this isn't accurate

This isn't accurate AT ALL. 1080 has the exact same amount of VRAM as any Vega GPU.

I'd also rather have an i5-8400 locked @4GHz but not on a Z370 board, the cheaper ones are very basic boards while still being expensive (over 100$)... But when H & B-series chipsets release, I'll be glad to recommend the 8400 because it's an amazing little chip

yeah but Z370 allow to run fast memory...which gives it a nice boost...and you can also set the max turbo to all the cores, which normally you can't on a H or B series boards...Z370 also usually has more connectivity...more USB3, more sata 3 etc. so it's not money that you ''waste'' even if you can't really overclock the CPU, you can optimize it's conditions and get more out of it, and you get a better board...personally i would still go with a Z series even if the H or B were out and cheaper...even for the ''just in case'' i'd want to get a 8700K or whaterver in 2 years from now or something...it's like what? maybe 30$ more expensive than a decent H or B...anyways

[SoloDolo]

1 hour ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yeah but Z370 allow to run fast memory...which gives it a nice boost...and you can also set the max turbo to all the cores, which normally you can't on a H or B series boards...Z370 also usually has more connectivity...more USB3, more sata 3 etc. so it's not money that you ''waste'' even if you can't really overclock the CPU, you can optimize it's conditions and get more out of it, and you get a better board...personally i would still go with a Z series even if the H or B were out and cheaper...even for the ''just in case'' i'd want to get a 8700K or whaterver in 2 years from now or something...it's like what? maybe 30$ more expensive than a decent H or B...anyways

That is true. It can be difficult to get Ryzen working sometimes with memory. I had to flash my bios a few times and still cant hit 3200mhz.  The only problem here is that cannon lake will likely need a new mobo in the future. AMD has committed to AM4 until 2020. Which means you can just upgrade the CPU and get better performance. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

53 minutes ago, SoloDolo said:

That is true. It can be difficult to get Ryzen working sometimes with memory. I had to flash my bios a few times and still cant hit 3200mhz.  The only problem here is that cannon lake will likely need a new mobo in the future. AMD has committed to AM4 until 2020. Which means you can just upgrade the CPU and get better performance. 

yes, but historically if you look back at the past it's pretty much never a worthy upgrade when it's possible...AM3 and AM3+ for example...even the upgrade from a phenom to a piledriver based chip isn't worth it...FX-8150 to FX-8350 was not worth it...i think in the same way Ryzen to Ryzen 2 or whatever is very likely to not be worth it...you'll be looking at a 10 to 15% boost most likely...something like that...so unless you bought a low end Ryzen 3 and you upgrade to a Ryzen 2 with many more cores then it might be good...other than that, for you for example who has a 1800X i highly doubt AMD will deliver a worthy upgrade to that CPU within 5 years from now, let alone one that would be suported by your current motherboard...that's my opinion obviously. i don't know, but that's how i feel about it.

 

but the i5-8400 has a worthy upgrade out already in the i7-8700K.

[i_build_nanosuits]

oops...double post sry.

[IrshaadH]

The GTX 1080 trades blows with the Vega 64, but uses ~100W less to do so.

 

If you're friend wants to rep AMD, just pair the 1080 with Ryzen -- that would be a beast of a machine.