Am I Bottlenecking?

[ARikozuM]

Just now, LtStaffel said:

as I stated in my main post, I did.

Did you make sure to use the safe option? 

Also, what's the power draw and usage for the GPU and CPU usage while gaming? 

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Damascus said:

Sure, that's why I recommended a range and gave several options

but your low-end was too high.

it should've been Ryzen 1200-1600, or Intel i3-i5 (or maybe i7 Kaby lake/Skylake) (although I would advise against i3 with only 2 cores, it wouldn't bottleneck the 1060

[Damascus]

Just now, Zyndo said:

Kind of a horrible reasoning. without knowing what hes doing with his system, he could very easily get an R5 1600 instead of the 1700, save $100 bucks, and step up to a 1080 instead of a 1070. a 1600+1080+1440p system would significantly out perform a 1700+1070+1440 system in every game on the market at any setting of your choosing.... yet he spends $200 on his CPU and $500 on his GPU rather than trying to equalize his spending.

refresh the page, I added more examples for different price  brackets and when OP asked what was good at the price range I gave a comprehensive array of CPU's

 

20 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

I'd obviously be aiming at the 480/580/1060 GPU range. What CPU is considered good for that at this point?

 

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Did you make sure to use the safe option? 

Also, what's the power draw and usage for the GPU and CPU usage while gaming? 

Good idea

 

also, what's GPU usage when gaming.

[LtStaffel]

1 minute ago, Zyndo said:

Kind of a horrible reasoning. without knowing what hes doing with his system, he could very easily get an R5 1600 instead of the 1700, save $100 bucks, and step up to a 1080 instead of a 1070. a 1600+1080+1440p system would significantly out perform a 1700+1070+1440 system in every game on the market at any setting of your choosing.... yet he spends $200 on his CPU and $500 on his GPU rather than trying to equalize his spending.

 

If that's what happening then its not actually performing worse.

 

It shouldn't be performing worse by even 0% (unless there is some kind of game specific optimization issue which can arise occasionally, but hardly the rule). It is likely the result of some setting somewhere or some software somewhere. If you did a clean windows install I bet the problem would mysteriously vanish (not that i'm recommending you do this if you don't want to). DDU doesn't always work 100% of the time. Hardware upgrades to another brand are usually very problematic. You could probably argue that Nvidia is leaving behind some artificial 'mines' to sink the competitions performance in order to convince you to stick with them or switch back (and that may be true) but we don't really have any way to know that.

 

is the PC running in performance mode? that can sometimes cause issues. Also ensure your PSU can sufficiently power the 480

I set it to optimize performance, and my PSU is higher rated than my total theoretical system usage by about 100W.

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Sure, that's why I recommended a range and gave several options

+1

[Damascus]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

but your low-end was too high.

it should've been Ryzen 1200-1600, or Intel i3-i5 (or maybe i7 Kaby lake/Skylake) (although I would advise against i3 with only 2 cores, it wouldn't bottleneck the 1060

My philosophy is that GPU's advance at a rate of double power gen to gen - a 980 ti is now equal to a 1070 and a 1080 ti will be equivalent to a 2070 in like 6 months max.  Meaning a 2060 will be on par with a 1080-1070 level of power with lower power draw and newer features.

 

a zen2 chip will be very, very similar in all likelihood so if OP gets a chip that will fully utilize next gens chips (equivalent to top this gen) they get max perf/$ long term

[LtStaffel]

2 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Did you make sure to use the safe option? 

Also, what's the power draw and usage for the GPU and CPU usage while gaming? 

I used the highly recommended clean everything and restart option

I don't know the actual power draw, but that GPU is going to be main power usage thing in there. I can imagine my system takes maybe 120W on its own and then that thing takes ~150 so in the 300W range with never exceeding 350 at gaming is well within my 430W PSU

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

Good idea

 

also, what's GPU usage when gaming.

100%

when I do some serious work though *hint, not gaming* it flutters around from 0 to 100, which is really weird, because that same workload pinned it at 100 with my 750ti

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Damascus said:

My philosophy is that GPU's advance at a rate of double power gen to gen - a 980 ti is now equal to a 1070 and a 1080 ti will be equivalent to a 2070 in like 6 months max.  Meaning a 2060 will be on par with a 1080-1070 level of power with lower power draw and newer features.

 

a zen2 chip will be very, very similar in all likelihood so if OP gets a chip that will fully utilize next gens chips (equivalent to top this gen) they get max perf/$ long term

but you also don't need a CPU that's 2X as good to support a GPU that's 2X as powerful.

 

a 2600K is more than enough for something like a 1070, but it also wasn't crazy overpowered for whatever hardware was available at the time. CPU power has grown maybe 40% in that time, while GPU has grown like 4X, but still CPUs today can keep up.

[LtStaffel]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

My philosophy is that GPU's advance at a rate of double power gen to gen - a 980 ti is now equal to a 1070 and a 1080 ti will be equivalent to a 2070 in like 6 months max.  Meaning a 2060 will be on par with a 1080-1070 level of power with lower power draw and newer features.

 

a zen2 chip will be very, very similar in all likelihood so if OP gets a chip that will fully utilize next gens chips (equivalent to top this gen) they get max perf/$ long term

Someday I want to obliterate the minds of every semi-sane techie and get a 3258 with a massive cooler and go over 5Ghz until I match some low end recent chip

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

but you also don't need a CPU that's 2X as good to support a GPU that's 2X as powerful.

 

a 2600K is more than enough for something like a 1070, but it also wasn't crazy overpowered for whatever hardware was available at the time. CPU power has grown maybe 40% in that time, while GPU has grown like 4X, but still CPUs today can keep up.

IMO a 1200 or any 4 core 4 thread CPU won't be enough moving forward.  In the same way core 2 duos were very quickly irrelevant and pentiums don't game (until recently lol) games wil soon need more.   already most AAA games use 6-8 cores with ease and soon it'll be a near requirement

[LtStaffel]

9 minutes ago, Damascus said:

IMO a 1200 or any 4 core 4 thread CPU won't be enough moving forward.  In the same way core 2 duos were very quickly irrelevant and pentiums don't game (until recently lol) games wil soon need more.   already most AAA games use 6-8 cores with ease and soon it'll be a near requirement

Not everyone plays AAA games though.

[Damascus]

Just now, LtStaffel said:

Not everyone plays AAA games though.

Sure, but AAA sets trends and the industry follows.  If you want to get a CPU that will last as long as your current one has (4-5 years) 4c/4t wil not cut it

[ARikozuM]

9 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Sure, but AAA sets trends and the industry follows.  If you want to get a CPU that will last as long as your current one has (4-5 years) 4c/4t wil not cut it

AAA game trends:

 

No story,

Crap gameplay,

Microtransactions,

Crap engines (looking at Frostbite and Infinity Engine),

 

Those are some great trends right there. 

[Damascus]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Those are some great trends right there. 

Yup, indies are following suite!  N.A. gaming industry is doing really  badly

[bcguru9384]

1 hour ago, LtStaffel said:

Hello all,

 

I just swapped out my 750ti for an RX 480. Please check my profile for PC specs.

 

I am actually getting slightly lower framerates and performance in everything I have tested between the two GPUs, except in rendering on Blender.

 

Am I bottlenecking, or what else could be happening? I think the card is fine as it runs well, but even after using DDU to kill old Nvidia drivers and such and installing the latest stuff from AMD, it's not gotten better. Can someone confirm my bottlenecking suspicions?

 

Thanks in advance!

rerun directx installer so it can tweak the registries needed that the gpu driver doesn't change(as their windows settings)