Am I Bottlenecking?

[LtStaffel]

Hello all,

 

I just swapped out my 750ti for an RX 480. Please check my profile for PC specs.

 

I am actually getting slightly lower framerates and performance in everything I have tested between the two GPUs, except in rendering on Blender.

 

Am I bottlenecking, or what else could be happening? I think the card is fine as it runs well, but even after using DDU to kill old Nvidia drivers and such and installing the latest stuff from AMD, it's not gotten better. Can someone confirm my bottlenecking suspicions?

 

Thanks in advance!

[RadiatingLight]

even if you were bottlenecking, you shouldn't be getting worse results.

check CPU usage while gaming.

also, what is your score on a benchmark that's almost all GPU (unigine superposition, unigine valley, etc.)?

[Damascus]

Yup, that's a bottleneck

[LtStaffel]

7 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

even if you were bottlenecking, you shouldn't be getting worse results.

check CPU usage while gaming.

also, what is your score on a benchmark that's almost all GPU (unigine superposition, unigine valley, etc.)?

CPU usage is ~60%

Will check into benchmarking

[LtStaffel]

6 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Yup, that's a bottleneck

By how much?

[Damascus]

Just now, LtStaffel said:

By how much?

Really badly.  I would guess 10-50% performance loss

[LtStaffel]

Just now, Damascus said:

Really badly.  I would guess 10-50% performance loss

The good news is that I'm going back to my 750ti buddy. I am just testing to ensure the proper functionality of the 480 before putting into my GPU server.

[LtStaffel]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Really badly.  I would guess 10-50% performance loss

What would I have to step up to if I was going to upgrade my personal system? I'd obviously be aiming at the 480/580/1060 GPU range. What CPU is considered good for that at this point?

[Zyndo]

7 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Yup, that's a bottleneck

no. its not.

 

1 minute ago, LtStaffel said:

By how much?

ignore him. hes an idiot or a troll.

 

 

the 480 is a superior card to the 750ti. Even if you were "bottlenecking" (which you likely are in some instances depending what you're doing, or what games you're playing and what settings/resolutions you're playing them at) it should still always be performing better than or equal to the 750ti, never worse. If its performing worse then its not due to a bottleneck, but some other issue. In this case, considering its a straight upgrade, you are probably having driver issues (update your drivers for your 480) or you're having driver compatibility issues from the old Nvidia drivers interfering with the new non-nvidia GPU. Make sure your Nvidia drivers are completely uninstalled, and consider something like DDU to do it for you if you're unsure about whether or not all Nvidia's claws are out of your system.

[Damascus]

Just now, LtStaffel said:

What would I have to step up to if I was going to upgrade my personal system? I'd obviously be aiming at the 480/580/1060 GPU range. What CPU is considered good for that at this point?

r5 1400/1600 r7 1700 or an i5 8400/8600k i7 8600k/8600

[Damascus]

Just now, Zyndo said:

no. its not.

 

ignore him. hes an idiot or a troll.

Hes running an A10 6790K...  If a G4560 can slightly bottleneck a 1060/580 an ancient piledriver chip that launched with a tag of $122 is going to crash and burn

[Damascus]

4 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

it should still always be performing better than or equal to the 750ti, never worse.

Unless the game auto  detects hardware and cranks settings

[LtStaffel]

3 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

no. its not.

 

ignore him. hes an idiot or a troll.

 

 

the 480 is a superior card to the 750ti. Even if you were "bottlenecking" (which you likely are in some instances depending what you're doing, or what games you're playing and what settings/resolutions you're playing them at) it should still always be performing better than or equal to the 750ti, never worse. If its performing worse then its not due to a bottleneck, but some other issue. In this case, considering its a straight upgrade, you are probably having driver issues (update your drivers for your 480) or you're having driver compatibility issues from the old Nvidia drivers interfering with the new non-nvidia GPU. Make sure your Nvidia drivers are completely uninstalled, and consider something like DDU to do it for you if you're unsure about whether or not all Nvidia's claws are out of your system.

Yes it is a superior card.
I must clarify that it is not worse by a lot, but by maybe 10%.

I did mention in the main post that I used DDU and also manually ensured the latest edition of drivers for the RX 400 series on Windows 10 Pro 64bit.

3 minutes ago, Damascus said:

r5 1400/1600 r7 1700 or an i5 8400/8600k i7 8600k/8600

That's ridiculous

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Hes running an A10 6790K...  If a G4560 can slightly bottleneck a 1060/580 an ancient piledriver chip that launched with a tag of $122 is going to crash and burn

It's not actually been horrific. I have been waiting for a bottleneck though.

[LtStaffel]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Unless the game auto  detects hardware and cranks settings

It doesn't

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

That's ridiculous

How so?  Generally its agood idea to spend equal amounts on  CPU, GPU and Monitor.

 

ie. a 1070, a 1700 and a 1440p monitor all about 300 bucks each give or take.

 

1060 ($240) 1600 ($220) 1080 x 2560 UW ($200)

 

1080 ti ($700) 7900X ($700) 1440p UW  ($700)

[LtStaffel]

Just now, Damascus said:

How so?  Generally its agood idea to spend equal amounts on  CPU, GPU and Monitor.

 

ie. a 1070, a 1700 and a 1440p monitor all about 300 bucks  give or take.

Because in the post I quoted you in you said "r5 1400/1600 r7 1700 or an i5 8400/8600k i7 8600k/8600", where the higher ends of those are obviously well over 50% again the price of the GPUs I specified. Yes, it'd be good for upgradability, but who needs an i7 before they even get to the enthusiast class of GPUs? I'd pull an i7 on a 1070 probably, and on things higher, definitely. But things lower, unlikely, unless I knew I wanted to upgrade. It also excludes the MOBO, which is arguably more important than the CPU. Further, it does not take into account nuances of CPUs. My A10 runs at 4Ghz stock and has 4 cores. It has actually managed to not be an issue at all in any games I've played (and I play simulators, which are demanding). The thing that I would upgrade would be the GPU, and I'd only upgrade that APU if it needed to be upgraded to support the GPUs power. It can actually do everything it needs to do, it may just have trouble serving the GPU.

[RadiatingLight]

6 minutes ago, Damascus said:

How so?  Generally its agood idea to spend equal amounts on  CPU, GPU and Monitor.

 

ie. a 1070, a 1700 and a 1440p monitor all about 300 bucks each give or take.

 

1060 ($240) 1600 ($220) 1080 x 2560 UW ($200)

 

1080 ti ($700) 7900X ($700) 1440p UW  ($700)

nah GPU is almost always more expensive.

I'd recommend Ryzen 3 1200, G4560/Coffee Lake Pentiums when they launch, any modern i3, etc.

[Damascus]

Just now, LtStaffel said:

Because in the post I quoted you in you said "r5 1400/1600 r7 1700 or an i5 8400/8600k i7 8600k/8600",

Yeah, I gave the good mid tier (1400, 1600/ 8400) and the good high tier (1700, i7s) as you asked for a  range

[Damascus]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

nah GPU is almost always more expensive.

kek, not for me.  I always get an i7 or equivalent even if I take a hit on the GPU

[LtStaffel]

7 minutes ago, Damascus said:

How so?  Generally its agood idea to spend equal amounts on  CPU, GPU and Monitor.

 

ie. a 1070, a 1700 and a 1440p monitor all about 300 bucks  give or take.

In fact, my APU has actually done exactly what it was advertised to do. It has supported me very well in games that do not have GPU support, because it practically has a small GPU as integrated graphics, which is fantastic for older or web games that do fully utilize a real GPU. There are just so many things that have to be considered when getting any computer part, that to say "match the prices" will result in incorrect choices more often than not.

[ARikozuM]

I don't think this is a bottleneck, but rather a driver issue. Have you tried using DDU to remove the Nvidia driver after installing the AMD card? 

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Damascus said:

kek, not for me.  I always get an i7 or equivalent even if I take a hit on the GPU

well, that's probably not the best choice then.

i7 + something like a 1060 is always worse than something like an i5 or R5 with a 1070.

[Zyndo]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

How so?  Generally its agood idea to spend equal amounts on  CPU, GPU and Monitor.

 

ie. a 1070, a 1700 and a 1440p monitor all about 300 bucks  give or take.

Kind of a horrible reasoning. without knowing what hes doing with his system, he could very easily get an R5 1600 instead of the 1700, save $100 bucks, and step up to a 1080 instead of a 1070. a 1600+1080+1440p system would significantly out perform a 1700+1070+1440 system in every game on the market at any setting of your choosing.... yet he spends $200 on his CPU and $500 on his GPU rather than trying to equalize his spending.

 

6 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Unless the game auto  detects hardware and cranks settings

If that's what happening then its not actually performing worse.

 

7 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

Yes it is a superior card.
I must clarify that it is not worse by a lot, but by maybe 10%.

I did mention in the main post that I used DDU and also manually ensured the latest edition of drivers for the RX 400 series on Windows 10 Pro 64bit.

It shouldn't be performing worse by even 0% (unless there is some kind of game specific optimization issue which can arise occasionally, but hardly the rule). It is likely the result of some setting somewhere or some software somewhere. If you did a clean windows install I bet the problem would mysteriously vanish (not that i'm recommending you do this if you don't want to). DDU doesn't always work 100% of the time. Hardware upgrades to another brand are usually very problematic. You could probably argue that Nvidia is leaving behind some artificial 'mines' to sink the competitions performance in order to convince you to stick with them or switch back (and that may be true) but we don't really have any way to know that.

 

is the PC running in performance mode? that can sometimes cause issues. Also ensure your PSU can sufficiently power the 480

[LtStaffel]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

I don't think this is a bottleneck, but rather a driver issue. Have you tried using DDU to remove the Nvidia driver after installing the AMD card? 

as I stated in my main post, I did.

[Damascus]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

well, that's probably not the best choice then.

i7 + something like a 1060 is always worse than something like an i5 or R5 with a 1070.

Sure, that's why I recommended a range and gave several options