General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[bimmerman]

Was looking at this one or the non-rgb variant for dat WC support without losing HDD storage: http://anidees.com/product/ai-crystal-xl-ar/

 

can fit 480 x2. Seems adequate, and isn't THAT much bigger than my Cooler Master HAF 932 existing X58 rig.

[Zando_]

Just now, bimmerman said:

Was looking at this one or the non-rgb variant for dat WC support without losing HDD storage: http://anidees.com/product/ai-crystal-xl-ar/

 

can fit 480 x2. Seems adequate, and isn't THAT much bigger than my Cooler Master HAF 932 existing X58 rig.

Yep, I've been eyeing those too. Amazon has them, but that $270 price tag stings. I have a terrible habit of buying GPUs/mobos/CPUs and such instead of the things to put them in or use them with lmao. Part of why I run a Radeon VII but still use a 1080p monitor

[bimmerman]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yep, I've been eyeing those too. Amazon has them, but that $270 price tag stings. I have a terrible habit of buying GPUs/mobos/CPUs and such instead of the things to put them in or use them with lmao. Part of why I run a Radeon VII but still use a 1080p monitor

Agreed on all counts. I was also looking at bitcoin miner rig schematics for a sweet HomeDepot Special....kinda willing to pay a bit more for it to not look like janky ass.

 

Step 1: get sr2

Step 2: wait a month, buy another piece of the shiny puzzle

Step 3: rinse/repeat Step 2

Step 4: decide hell with it, money's a theoretical construct anyway

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Yep, I've been eyeing those too. Amazon has them, but that $270 price tag stings. I have a terrible habit of buying GPUs/mobos/CPUs and such instead of the things to put them in or use them with lmao. Part of why I run a Radeon VII but still use a 1080p monitor

But think of the profittttt! But yeah it really is time to start offloading some of your redundant hardware. Gotta make room for other x58 stuff!

[Zando_]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

But think of the profittttt! But yeah it really is time to start offloading some of your redundant hardware. Gotta make room for other x58 stuff!

See the problem is I am A) too unmotivated/lazy/unorganized to actually get stuff out the door reliably (shoutout to me still having not pulled my i7 920 for Crunchy Dragon), and B) I tend to form emotional attachments to a lot of my hardware and really regret selling it. I miss my 980 Tis, sometimes I miss my 8600K, every now and then I even wish I still had my CH7. Then I remember how solidly bleh OCing on Ryzen was and stop missing it . Oh also intensely miss my S340 Elite at times, I should never have given it away. The H500 series is a mere shadow of what the near flawless S340 Elite was. Doesn't help that it actually sits on my desk now, I need to troubleshoot that rig, but I can't yoink the parts because it isn't mine anymore .

[GrockleTD]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

(shoutout to me still having not pulled my i7 920 for Crunchy Dragon)

I’ll pay ya 5 dollars to do it right now

[bimmerman]

Yea-- my R5 3600 has been very boring to tinker with, other than RAM, and there's no tangible benefit to RAM OC at my resolution/framerate anyway.

 

Most of why I want the SR2 is just to screw around with it. Any sane person would just go TR3/TRX40 or X299 instead for virtualization.

[Zando_]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

I’ll pay ya 5 dollars to do it right now

I'm not at home rn 

[GrockleTD]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

I'm not at home rn 

* I’ll pay ya 5 dollars to do it as soon as you get home

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

Yea-- my R5 3600 has been very boring to tinker with, other than RAM, and there's no tangible benefit to RAM OC at my resolution/framerate anyway.

 

Most of why I want the SR2 is just to screw around with it. Any sane person would just go TR3/TRX40 or X299 instead for virtualization.

Literally this, the exact reason why I have an x58 rig

[Zando_]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

Literally this, the exact reason why I have an x58 rig

Top 10 reasons to run X99 or X79, fun to OC but not as pesky as X58, yet also competitive with current CPUs (the X99 and X79 lads will bitchslap any Zen/Zen+ chip at the same core count). 

 

4 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Most of why I want the SR2 is just to screw around with it. Any sane person would just go TR3/TRX40 or X299 instead for virtualization.

X299 is also really damn tweakable, but you can't exactly run two CPUs. And 2 CPUs > 1 CPU for obvious reasons. 

[bimmerman]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Top 10 reasons to run X99 or X79, fun to OC but not as pesky as X58, yet also competitive with current CPUs (the X99 and X79 lads will bitchslap any Zen/Zen+ chip at the same core count). 

 

X299 is also really damn tweakable, but you can't exactly run two CPUs. And 2 CPUs > 1 CPU for obvious reasons. 

It's more MORE! Can any other dual socket be OC'd or is the SR2 the only one? I know the SR-X technically exists but IIRC the chips were nerfed to disallow it.

 

Yea I'm increasingly intrigued by X299. The AVX512 of the 10th gen might come in handy for the ML/DL stuff I'm getting into, but that's putting the cart a few miles ahead of the horse. Used market pickup though in a couple years, quite likely.

[Zando_]

Just now, bimmerman said:

It's more MORE! Can any other dual socket be OC'd or is the SR2 the only one? I know the SR-X technically exists but IIRC the chips were nerfed to disallow it.

There's a C612 ASUS board but IDK if there's actually OCable CPUs for it? I assume there are. I haven't looked much into the SR-X's development but yeah it can't OC. I don't know why, it's LGA2011 and the 1680v2 and some other Xeons on that socket OC damn well. Maybe there's no OCable dual CPU capable chips available? There were also a couple OCable dual socket boards before the SR-2 IIRC, LTT did a vid with an LGA775 one I think? 

But yeah for X58 the only board to OC two CPUs is the SR-2. A lot of people think it's an X58 board but it's not, it's a 5520 board that's been fucked with so it can OC. I don't know of any other 5520 board to do that. Or to have a name as cool as "EVGA Classified Super Record 2".

[bimmerman]

Just did some light reading up on the Asus boards. Apparently you can haxor the V3 Xeons to run at max turbo boost on all cores? Innnnnteresting.

 

Might make for a wild project. I think that's the board the 7gamerz/1cpu was built on, but I don't recall whether the LMG team tried the xeon hack or just did bclk.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

Just did some light reading up on the Asus boards. Apparently you can haxor the V3 Xeons to run at max turbo boost on all cores? Innnnnteresting.

 

Might make for a wild project. I think that's the board the 7gamerz/1cpu was built on, but I don't recall whether the LMG team tried the xeon hack or just did bclk.

AFAIK you have to do some fuckery with the microcode. And how high are the core counts for the ones that actually work with that? 

Because the 1660v3 and 1680v3 are 8c/16t unlocked Xeons, and on the i7 side you have the 6950X at 10c/20t. 

[bimmerman]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

AFAIK you have to do some fuckery with the microcode. And how high are the core counts for the ones that actually work with that? 

Because the 1660v3 and 1680v3 are 8c/16t unlocked Xeons, and on the i7 side you have the 6950X at 10c/20t. 

Good question, I'm not sure. Do the 16xx / 6950x work in dual socket? Reason is, would like ~16-18 core (split 4 ways for 4x gaming VM) with enough PCIe for 4x GPU. Options are kinda the SR2, the Asus Z10 WS boards, and the X299 / Threadrippers for many currency units.

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Good question, I'm not sure. Do the 16xx / 6950x work in dual socket? Reason is, would like ~16-18 core (split 4 ways for 4x gaming VM) with enough PCIe for 4x GPU. Options are kinda the SR2, the Asus Z10 WS boards, and the X299 / Threadrippers for many currency units.

No the i7 is single QPI for sure, I think the Xeons may be as well, don't know 100%. IDK how splitting stuff up with the SR-2 is, newer boards will be much better at it I'd imagine. TRX40 would be excellent given the core counts available, but it costs more than Intel HEDT lmao. Wouldn't advise TR40, anything above the 16 core is shit, and it's still often overpriced for what it is (terrible single core, only thing it has to boast about is quad channel and PCIe but you get those on Intel, along with better single core and OCing on anything X79 or newer). 

[bimmerman]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

No the i7 is single QPI for sure, I think the Xeons may be as well, don't know 100%. IDK how splitting stuff up with the SR-2 is, newer boards will be much better at it I'd imagine. TRX40 would be excellent given the core counts available, but it costs more than Intel HEDT lmao. Wouldn't advise TR40, anything above the 16 core is shit, and it's still often overpriced for what it is (terrible single core, only thing it has to boast about is quad channel and PCIe but you get those on Intel, along with better single core and OCing on anything X79 or newer). 

Yea, agreed with all that. SR2 is notoriously bad at virtualization due to the NF200 bridges for PCIe splitting. Instead of using each CPU's PCIe allotment they took the Classy 4-way and just added another CPU/QPI link. So in effect, you have one CPU driving all the PCIe, and the other's kinda just there, chilling. I still want to mess with it, because it's cool, but it's definitely not going to be good at it.

 

TRX40 with the 24 or X299 with the 18 core though, helloooooo. Budget isn't there though. Hobbyist level scrub here. Though, after looking at mobo prices, can get X299 + 10980XE for same cost as just the 3960X.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

I gotta get out my SR-2 sometime again reeeeeee.

u gotta get out your i7-920 sometime too

[GrockleTD]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

u gotta get out your i7-920 sometime too

hey, i already threatened to pay him if he sends it.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

Yea, agreed with all that. SR2 is notoriously bad at virtualization due to the NF200 bridges for PCIe splitting. Instead of using each CPU's PCIe allotment they took the Classy 4-way and just added another CPU/QPI link. So in effect, you have one CPU driving all the PCIe, and the other's kinda just there, chilling. I still want to mess with it, because it's cool, but it's definitely not going to be good at it.

Yee, makes sense though. EVGA's focus has always been extreme OCing, they've often skipped on stuff to achieve that goal. 

 

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

TRX40 with the 24 or X299 with the 18 core though, helloooooo. Budget isn't there though. Hobbyist level scrub here.

Yoss! Just keep eyeballs peeled for deals on a 7980XE or something, may find a goodie. 

 

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

u gotta get out your i7-920 sometime too

[GrockleTD]

btw, this is why i love newegg

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

41 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

hey, i already threatened to pay him if he sends it.

Scandalous

[GrockleTD]

its a little chilly in my bedroom... 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

its a little chilly in my bedroom... 

My basement is half the reason I get good temperatures.

 

It's cold every day of the year down here, and my computers love it.