Ryzen 7 Memory

[Andrew_C]

Hi all, I have a thread over here on a new build I am planning for work - just I need a little memory advice before I pull the trigger.

 

This is the parts list --> https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HZ29kT

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£266.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£66.22 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£259.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Kingston - HyperX Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£52.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (£135.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£37.97 @ Amazon UK) 
 

The memory mentions something about overclocking on the motherboard vendors site. Should I only be looking at 3000 speed memory if it's in the compatability list? Or should I just play safe with 2666? What do you think?

 

Thanks,

Andy

[AndersT2]

Go with 3200 MHz.

 

From what I understand Ryzen likes faster memory, but 3200MHz is where it stops taking advantage of it.

It will run just fine on slower speeds to, but you'll have overclocking potential.

 

Even if you buy 4600 MHz memory, it only runs at the default CPU ram speed, which is 2400 or 2666 for Ryzen. Everything else have to be overclocked to reach.

If you don't plan to overclock, go with the cheaper one, but a mild overclock to get as much as possible out to the 1700 CPU, go for 3200MHz

[Princess Luna]

You need Samsung B-Die 3000mhz+

 

 

[just_dave]

Try to get a better mobo

[Reznik]

I keep seeing people on here stating "Ryzen loves faster memory".  On AMD's site the specs for all Ryzen 3/5/7 (even TR) CPU's says:

 

Max System Memory Speed 2667MHz

I built a Ryzen 5 1500x build for myself a few weeks back and could not get memory to work passed 2666.  Two co workers, one also with a 1500x and another with a 1700 also did builds in the past few weeks and same thing.  Memory errors for anything passed 2666..

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I'm on a Gigabyte B350 board, they are on on MSI and AsRock boards 350 boards.  Maybe  others on better boards and chipsets are having better luck getting faster memory speeds but I have yet to meet anyone in person that has had success.  

 

AMD's list of supported ram includes higher speeds but I don't believe that means it you will be able to actually run stable in all cases.  

[just_dave]

7 minutes ago, Reznik said:

I keep seeing people on here stating "Ryzen loves faster memory".  On AMD's site the specs for all Ryzen 3/5/7 (even TR) CPU's says:

 

Max System Memory Speed 2667MHz

I built a Ryzen 5 1500x build for myself a few weeks back and could not get memory to work passed 2666.  Two co workers, one also with a 1500x and another with a 1700 also did builds in the past few weeks and same thing.  Memory errors for anything passed 2666..

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I'm on a Gigabyte B350 board, they are on on MSI and AsRock boards 350 boards.  Maybe  others on better boards and chipsets are having better luck getting faster memory speeds but I have yet to meet anyone in person that has had success.  

 

AMD's list of supported ram includes higher speeds but I don't believe that means it you will be able to actually run stable in all cases.  

Gigabyte AM4 suck hard and are the worst in most cases.

Asus and ASRock is the king

[Reznik]

I realize that. These are all budget builds and parts were cheap/sale.  The post was about 3 boards with 3 Ryzen CPUs, on 3 different boards all none of us able to get memory passed 2666. 

[DocSwag]

43 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You need Samsung B-Die 3000mhz+

Just want to clarify, you don't NEED it, it's just chances are you need it to hit 3000 mhz

 

 

OP, I suggest you get a better mobo and better psu, otherwise looks ok.

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, Reznik said:

I realize that. These are all budget builds and parts were cheap/sale.  The post was about 3 boards with 3 Ryzen CPUs, on 3 different boards all none of us able to get memory passed 2666. 

If you cheap up on your components that happens, my brother's R7 1800x runs the memory just fine at 2933mhz using an Asus Prime x370-PRO

[Reznik]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

If you cheap up on your components that happens, my brother's R7 1800x runs the memory just fine at 2933mhz using an Asus Prime x370-PRO

Cheap mobo's for sure andthat was the point of these 3 builds because we were on budgets.  My point still stands though. . AMD officially only supports max of 2666 as per specs listed on site AND these are all very common boards people use.  My point was people need to stop saying Ryzen LOVES faster RAM when it actually loves 2666 and you MIGHT be able to run faster - no guarantee as AMD themselves do not say anything beyond is even supported.  

[Coaxialgamer]

As someone who has owned a 1700 since launch, early memory compatibility was poor, and you were lucky to get stock speeds on anything but b die ram. 

However, ever since the ageesa updates, i wouldn't worry too much about it. I've tested multiple kits, including ones from micron and hynix ( which were the worst at launch), and I'm happy to say that the issues are mostly fixed. I could get botk kits from their rated 2800mhz to 3200mhz, without sacrificing latency.  It also helps if you set the chips to 1.35v and add a bitnof voltage to the SoC. 

 

Tl,DR : it doesn't matter. 

[Devin92]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

If you cheap up on your components that happens, my brother's R7 1800x runs the memory just fine at 2933mhz using an Asus Prime x370-PRO

if you bought a 1tb HDD, but the truth is if you cheap on ur mobo you will only get 800gb will you not be annoyed?

[Princess Luna]

26 minutes ago, Reznik said:

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Actually any Asus or AsRock b350 runs it at 2933mhz, you only get issues if you get MSi junk or some Gigabyte mobos

[Fardin]

2 hours ago, Andrew_C said:

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I missed your last reply in previous build since you forgot to quote. As I made the build suggestion earlier, I still advice to go with an x370 board for ryzen 1700 & better psu like i suggested. specially no compromise but go with asus board, the mobo you selected here are not good enough to handle 1700. I believe its important project build for you & you should go with only the best to avoid unnecessary hassle & Ram speed aint so night & day deal breaker. because sometimes in order to run higher you sacrifice timings. running at 2933mhz would be a sweet spot.   

[Jon Jon]

Just get Ryzen certified memory so you don't need to worry about it.

 

My Corsair LPX kit is Ryzen certified, and all I had to do was manually set the speed and double check the timings and all was well.

 

As for wanting 32GB of RAM, you will NOT achieve higher than 2666 on 16GB DIMMs.

 

They are dual rank, and the IMC on Ryzen will not play nice with it. This is a known Zen limitation that is hopefully being addressed in Zen+ or Zen 2.

[Andrew_C]

6 hours ago, AndersT2 said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

 

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6 hours ago, Reznik said:

 

 

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6 hours ago, DocSwag said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Reznik said:

   

 

4 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Devin92 said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Fardin said:

 

 

3 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

 

 

So I have the following:

 

Go 3200 memory (not even on my radar - especially won't clock that high on this board).
A reddit post with a plethora of information (confused).
B350 boards seem to top out at 2667MHz.
Gigabyte AM4 suck.
Budget boards in general suck.
Samsung B-Die might achieve 3000mhz
Get a better mobo & PSU.
x370 boards might clock better.
Something about 1TB HDD reducing capacity with a cheap motherboard (analogy or what?).
One guy saying "Asus or AsRock b350 runs it at 2933mhz".. maybe
Sorry Fardin - I'm a n00b. x370 @ 2933
Go Ryzen (what about mobo?) certified memory.

 

Whilst I honestly do appreciate everyone replying.. I'm still lost. I would like 32GB of memory, I always have a ton of stuff open from Solidworks to Premier Pro. Current laptop has 16GB and I get memory prompts from SW all the time.

 

Does this mean I should just be going for the 2666 and be happy? What % performance hit am I likely to miss out on, on the CPU?

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, Andrew_C said:

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Want it simple? what you have on your original post, the LPX at 3000mhz, if you can buy it then buy it, your motherboard has great deal of chance of running it at 2933mhz which is all that matters since that is where you beat the Infinity Fabric limitations.

[DocSwag]

2 hours ago, Andrew_C said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I have the following:

 

Go 3200 memory (not even on my radar - especially won't clock that high on this board).
A reddit post with a plethora of information (confused).
B350 boards seem to top out at 2667MHz.
Gigabyte AM4 suck.
Budget boards in general suck.
Samsung B-Die might achieve 3000mhz
Get a better mobo & PSU.
x370 boards might clock better.
Something about 1TB HDD reducing capacity with a cheap motherboard (analogy or what?).
One guy saying "Asus or AsRock b350 runs it at 2933mhz".. maybe
Sorry Fardin - I'm a n00b. x370 @ 2933
Go Ryzen (what about mobo?) certified memory.

 

Whilst I honestly do appreciate everyone replying.. I'm still lost. I would like 32GB of memory, I always have a ton of stuff open from Solidworks to Premier Pro. Current laptop has 16GB and I get memory prompts from SW all the time.

 

Does this mean I should just be going for the 2666 and be happy? What % performance hit am I likely to miss out on, on the CPU?

Basically...

 

You should TRY to go with higher frequency ram. But if you can't afford it, don't. Samsung B-Die based RAM will have a better chance at clocking higher, though. Ryzen certified RAM is just overpriced b die ram, btw.

 

If you're going with a Ryzen 7 CPU you should try to go for a top of the line b350 board or x370 board just because of VRMs. You might want to look into something like a Prime X370 Pro, if you can't afford x370 look at a b350 strix. At the very least get something like a pro4 but a strix or higher is preferred.

 

For PSU you should get a better one considering how much you're paying for the rest of the system.

 

Really, with ram, what it comes down to is:

If you can afford it, 3000 or 3200 mhz, preferably with B-Die, would be nice. However, not all games/programs can actually benefit from it. If you can't afford it or the performance isn't worth the price, just go with 2666, especially seeing as 2666 is usually the point after which Ryzen doesn't scale much.

[Fardin]

3 hours ago, Andrew_C said:

 

So I have the following:

 

Go 3200 memory (not even on my radar - especially won't clock that high on this board).

 

Does this mean I should just be going for the 2666 and be happy? What % performance hit am I likely to miss out on, on the CPU?

sorry mate if you felt this way, sometimes too much advises make one confused. just go with your original build with x370 board & corsair txm unit psu. dont worry for ram. feel free to get 32 gb if you need it & 2666mhz would be enough. nothing you will miss from performance. this fastest ram matter is getting exaggerated for tiny performance change.     

[Andrew_C]

6 hours ago, DocSwag said:

 

 

7 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

 

5 hours ago, Fardin said:

 

 

Thank you guys!

 

I'm just struggling to find a decent board in a mATX form... Any advice?

[DocSwag]

5 hours ago, Andrew_C said:

 

 

 

Thank you guys!

 

I'm just struggling to find a decent board in a mATX form... Any advice?

AB350m pro4 possibly?

[Andrew_C]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

AB350m pro4 possibly?

I was looking for the X370 suggested but I just don't think they really exist.

 

If I went with the Asus - PRIME B350M-A along with Corsair - Dominator Platinum (which is on the QVL at 2933Mhz) I think I stand a good chance of making it  ..

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, Andrew_C said:

I was looking for the X370 suggested but I just don't think they really exist.

 

If I went with the Asus - PRIME B350M-A along with Corsair - Dominator Platinum (which is on the QVL at 2933Mhz) I think I stand a good chance of making it  ..

There are no x370 mATX boards

 

I suggest you not get that mobo, seeing as it has no vrm heatsinks. If you use that mobo you shouldn't do any OCing at all. And I assume you want to oc.

[Andrew_C]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

There are no x370 mATX boards

 

I suggest you not get that mobo, seeing as it has no vrm heatsinks. If you use that mobo you shouldn't do any OCing at all. And I assume you want to oc.

Even if it's on the qualified vendor's list of supported components?

 

A lot of reports of people with AB350m mobo's seeing sky high VRM temperatures themselves.

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, Andrew_C said:

Even if it's on the qualified vendor's list of supported components?

 

A lot of reports of people with AB350m mobo's seeing sky high VRM temperatures themselves.

The prime b350 a is listed as "only supports 65 watt CPUs" on newegg. A 1700 is a 65 watt CPU; I think you can imagine it wouldn't be good if you oc it..

 

AB350m or AB350m pro4?