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[Lurick]

5 minutes ago, Sauron said:

but that doesn't mean you need more than 8gb unless you have 400 tabs open. it's a myth that it absolutely requires 16 or even 32gb. for an office build that would make no sense.

Chrome uses, on average, between 100MB and 200MB of RAM per open tab.

Firefox is roughly the same at around 100MB per tab.

This also depends heavily on extensions and other background processes but right now with 2 Chrome tabs open it's consuming 1GB of memory.

 

If you assume OP's father has ~50 tabs open at any given time, ignoring all else, thats between 5GB and 10GB of RAM usage.

[rasesh]

2 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Chrome uses, on average, between 100MB and 200MB of RAM per open tab.

Firefox is roughly the same at around 100MB per tab.

This also depends heavily on extensions and other background processes but right now with 2 Chrome tabs open it's consuming 1GB of memory.

Makes sense.

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

 

 

Okay, but don't u guys think getting my dad a ryzen 7 instead of 5 would future proof him for a long time?

Not with that workload. You won't use that much horsepower with web browsers and MS Office for years to come

[HZapperz]

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

Yeah, gonna grab a used 1.

Then at the minimum you should go for a 1600 or mby even a 1700 if you have the money. 

[Lurick]

Just now, rasesh said:

U r probably running 2 heavy applications in those 2 tabs I'm guessing to make it use 1gb of memory. 

Nope, just LTT and YouTube's home page.

500MB is gobbled up by the GPU Process and another 200MB just by Chrome's existence.

[doomsriker]

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

 

 

Okay, but don't u guys think getting my dad a ryzen 7 instead of 5 would future proof him for a long time?

Futerproof? Is he going to be doing something besides what he is now in the future?

[HZapperz]

Just now, Inversion said:

Not with that workload. You won't use that much horsepower with web browsers and MS Office for years to come

I don't thin you need a future proof pc to only use word and chrome...

[Inversion]

7 minutes ago, Sauron said:

but that doesn't mean you need more than 8gb unless you have 400 tabs open. it's a myth that it absolutely requires 16 or even 32gb. for an office build that would make no sense.

It's no myth. I've run out of RAM on my PC (8GB) with 10 tabs and spotify open. If he's using loads of tabs and office all the time he'll definitely need at least 16GB and preferably 32

[rasesh]

Just now, doomsriker said:

Futerproof? Is he going to be doing something besides what he is now in the future?

He does A-LOT of work from home sometimes using that "virtual" thing in which he access's his work places PC at home.

 

When he's doing that he uses that virtual screen to work on it + he has his own stuff I mentioned in my original post earlier on the side running aswell.

[HZapperz]

1 minute ago, Inversion said:

It's no myth. I've run out of RAM on my PC (8GB) with 10 tabs and spotify open. If he's using loads of tabs and office all the time he'll definitely need at least 16GB and preferably 32

16 should be adequate, getting 32 would be fine if he had the money, but if hes on a tight budget 16gb should be sufficient 

[HZapperz]

Just now, rasesh said:

He does A-LOT of work from home sometimes using that "virtual" thing in which he access's his work places PC at home.

 

When he's doing that he uses that virtual screen to work on it + he has his own stuff I mentioned in my original post earlier on the side running aswell.

Getting a ryzen 1700 should be good if he uses virtual machines. 

[Inversion]

Just now, HZapperz said:

16 should be adequate, getting 32 would be fine if he had the money, but if hes on a tight budget 16gb should be sufficient 

yeah 16 is enough but 32 would be great in an ideal world. I understand people have budgets. Mine are always very strict

[rasesh]

3 minutes ago, HZapperz said:

Getting a ryzen 1700 should be good if he uses virtual machines. 

So don't wait for 8700k either?

[Sauron]

3 minutes ago, Inversion said:

It's no myth. I've run out of RAM on my PC (8GB) with 10 tabs and spotify open. If he's using loads of tabs and office all the time he'll definitely need at least 16GB and preferably 32

How comes I've had 100+ tabs open on 8gb and no problems? if you have available ram it will be used for caching, that doesn't mean it's absolutely necessary. It's called caching. Stop recommending 32gb of ram on 500$ builds.

9 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Chrome uses, on average, between 100MB and 200MB of RAM per open tab.

Firefox is roughly the same at around 100MB per tab.

This also depends heavily on extensions and other background processes but right now with 2 Chrome tabs open it's consuming 1GB of memory.

 

If you assume OP's father has ~50 tabs open at any given time, ignoring all else, thats between 5GB and 10GB of RAM usage.

As above, that's caching. Chrome will operate perfectly well with far less than 10gb of ram.

[Inversion]

3 minutes ago, HZapperz said:

Getting a ryzen 1700 should be good if he uses virtual machines. 

Is that not overkill. If it's just 1 VM would a Ryzen 5 1600 not do it just as well for about £100 less

 

[Inversion]

Just now, Sauron said:

How comes I've had 100+ tabs open on 8gb and no problems? if you have available ram it will be used for caching, that doesn't mean it's absolutely necessary. It's called caching. Stop recommending 32gb of ram on 500$ builds.

As above, that's caching. Chrome will operate perfectly well with far less than 10gb of ram.

It's clearly not a $500 build if he's looking at $300 CPUs and 16GB of RAM

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Inversion said:

It's clearly not a $500 build if he's looking at $300 CPUs and 16GB of RAM

But the point is he shouldn't be. He needs a computer for microsoft office and google chrome, not a render farm. Buying a ryzen 7 is a waste of money for that.

[rasesh]

Just now, Inversion said:

It's clearly not a $500 build if he's looking at $300 CPUs and 16GB of RAM

cpu: $400-ish (my cpu budget) - not decided yet on this 1.

mobo: $150-215-ish

ram: 16 or 32 - $150-$200~

cpu cooler: $70 noctua or bequiet

psu: $125

gpu: gonna buy a used one around $150-200

HDD: already have a 4TB WD black & 1Tb Toshiba

M.2: 250gb M.2 for OS - $170~

Case: Ncase M1 [because we like it] - $320 

 

= $1500-$1700 CAD

 

All are Canadian dollars. 

 

 

 

 

[Inversion]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

But the point is he shouldn't be. He needs a computer for microsoft office and google chrome, not a render farm. Buying a ryzen 7 is a waste of money for that.

I know I've been saying get Ryzen 5

[Inversion]

Just now, rasesh said:

cpu: $400-ish (my cpu budget) - not decided yet on this 1.

mobo: $150-215-ish

ram: 16 or 32 - $150-$200~

cpu cooler: $70 noctua or bequiet

psu: $125

gpu: gonna buy a used one around $150-200

HDD: already have a 4TB WD black & 1Tb Toshiba

M.2: 250gb M.2 for OS - $170~

Case: Ncase M1 [because we like it] - $320 

 

= $1500-$1700 CAD

 

All are Canadian dollars. 

 

 

 

 

Save some cash on your CPU and get either Ryzen 5 or i5. Get more and faster RAM and get 2 2TB drives cause partitioning is hell

[rasesh]

Just now, Inversion said:

Save some cash on your CPU and get either Ryzen 5 or i5. Get more and faster RAM and get 2 2TB drives cause partitioning is hell

Why do I need to partition? 

[Sauron]

Just now, Inversion said:

I know I've been saying get Ryzen 5

So... 500$ build. No 32gb of ram. Focus on having an ssd over egregious amounts of system memory. And frankly given he doesn't need a dedicated graphics card buying an i5 is worth it even just for the integrated gpu.

[Inversion]

Just now, rasesh said:

Why do I need to partition? 

I've been told by my friend that has a 4TB drive that windows doesn't recognise more than 2TB drives so he had to partition it but it reduces performance

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

So... 500$ build. No 32gb of ram. Focus on having an ssd over egregious amounts of system memory. And frankly given he doesn't need a dedicated graphics card buying an i5 is worth it even just for the integrated gpu.

If he wants to spend loads of money on a PC he's proud of even if it is a bit overkill don't judge him. Clearly, he has disposable income and you never know, he might branch out into gaming or content creation.

[rasesh]

1 minute ago, Inversion said:

I've been told by my friend that has a 4TB drive that windows doesn't recognise more than 2TB drives so he had to partition it but it reduces performance

yeah, that's if ur HDD is your running your OS I believe.

My 4Tb is just storage. My OSS gonna be M.2.