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[Fardin]

12 minutes ago, rasesh said:

So don't wait for 8700k either?

if you are not in rush then maybe you can wait. I dont have adequate knowledge on running Vm workstations. but so far intel was more suitable for vm stuff afaik. hope any ryzen user can help you about it before you buy.   

[YongKang]

I recommend a Ryzen 1600, use the stock cooler, B350 mobo is well enough, 16GB RAM. Storage part is good. PSU doesn't need to be that expensive as well. 80-100 is well enough for a 500 - 650W Gold. You can go with whatever you want for the GPU.

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

So... 500$ build

It looks like OP didn't specify that 500$ is for the CPU budget and not the entire build.

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Inversion said:

If he wants to spend loads of money on a PC he's proud of even if it is a bit overkill don't judge him. Clearly, he has disposable income and you never know, he might branch out into gaming or content creation.

He said it was for his father's office workload so I don't think it's about taking pride in his system or branching off into other things later. I'm not judging him, I'm just saying he does not need to spend this much - which maybe he doesn't realize. If he WANTS overkill then there's no problem, but my understanding is that he wants the best for his dad's specific needs - and those needs are pretty mild.

[Inversion]

Just now, YongKang said:

I recommend a Ryzen 1600, use the stock cooler, B350 mobo is well enough, 16GB RAM. Storage part is good. PSU doesn't need to be that expensive as well. 80-100 is well enough for a 500 - 650W Gold. You can go with whatever you want for the GPU.

It looks like OP didn't specify that 500$ is for the CPU budget and not the entire build.

I agree with your stuff but he may be paying extra for a fully modular PSU. If there's 320 getting dropped for a case he probably cares about aesthetics. I think he said it was $400 at the beginning and tbh it's not too hard to figure out thats CPU budget when he lists i7s and ryzen 7s

 

[Inversion]

Just now, Sauron said:

He said it was for his father's office workload so I don't think it's about taking pride in his system or branching off into other things later. I'm not judging him, I'm just saying he does not need to spend this much - which maybe he doesn't realize. If he WANTS overkill then there's no problem, but my understanding is that he wants the best for his dad's specific needs - and those needs are pretty mild.

Treu the specs are overkill but he's spending a lot on good components. The case alone is a lot so it's probably more of a fun project that he wants to look good and still be good years and years from now.

[rasesh]

3 minutes ago, Inversion said:

Treu the specs are overkill but he's spending a lot on good components. The case alone is a lot so it's probably more of a fun project that he wants to look good and still be good years and years from now.

Yup.

Want my dad's desk to be tidy and look good.

Also want the inside components to be good with pin drop silence and last a long time.

[Inversion]

Just now, rasesh said:

Yup.

Want my dad's desk to be tidy and look good.

Also want the inside components to be good with pin drop silence and last a long time.

Spend what you want but with that workload I'd spend less on the CPU cause you can always in a few years when current ryzen 7s are really cheap used

[rasesh]

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

He said it was for his father's office workload so I don't think it's about taking pride in his system or branching off into other things later. I'm not judging him, I'm just saying he does not need to spend this much - which maybe he doesn't realize. If he WANTS overkill then there's no problem, but my understanding is that he wants the best for his dad's specific needs - and those needs are pretty mild.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Qz7KwV

 

Seems like this is what I'd go with from the comments received.

One thing I'm a bit confused about still is :

11 minutes ago, Fardin said:

if you are not in rush then maybe you can wait. I dont have adequate knowledge on running Vm workstations. but so far intel was more suitable for vm stuff afaik. hope any ryzen user can help you about it before you buy.   

 

IF AMD is not good with VR for my dad's work then I wouldn't get it.

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

Seems like this is what I'd go with from the comments received.

One thing I'm a bit confused about still is :

 

IF AMD is not good with VR for my dad's work then I wouldn't get it.

Cant really help i've never used VMs but my understanding was that they used a lot of cores

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

Seems like this is what I'd go with from the comments received.

One thing I'm a bit confused about still is :

 

IF AMD is not good with VR for my dad's work then I wouldn't get it.

 

also you need to send the permalink or we can't see it. i see my own build

[rasesh]

Just now, Inversion said:

Cant really help i've never used VMs but my understanding was that they used a lot of cores

A-lot of cores again leads to Ryzen for the price point but if AMD doesn't have good support for VR for my dad's needs that that just kills everything I had in mind for his build. 

[rasesh]

Just now, Inversion said:

also you need to send the permalink or we can't see it. i see my own build

Edited the link above.

[Inversion]

Just now, rasesh said:

A-lot of cores again leads to Ryzen for the price point but if AMD doesn't have good support for VR for my dad's needs that that just kills everything I had in mind for his build. 

is it not VMs not VR?

[Inversion]

2 minutes ago, rasesh said:

Edited the link above.

Why are you spending 120 on case fans?

 

Edited September 17, 2017 by Inversion
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[rasesh]

2 minutes ago, Inversion said:

Whe are you spending 120 on case fans?

 

I need 4 & each one is $25.

2 for bottom of case, 1 extra needed for the Noctua U9S as it only comes with 1 and 1 more for exhaust at the back. 

 

Something similar to this:

[Inversion]

 

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

I need 4 & each one is $25.

2 for bottom of case, 1 extra needed for the Noctua U9S as it only comes with 1 and 1 more for exhaust at the back. 

Not gonna be very quiet with all that

[rasesh]

Just now, Inversion said:

 

Not gonna be very quiet with all that

They all pwm. They all will run only around 500-800rpm.

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, rasesh said:

They all pwm. They all will run only around 500-800rpm.

Thats fine then.

 

6 minutes ago, Inversion said:

is it not VMs not VR?

Check this thread from April this year. Talks about Ryzen for VMs

 

 

[rasesh]

3 minutes ago, Inversion said:

Thats fine then.

 

Check this thread from April this year. Talks about Ryzen for VMs

 

Read some of it.

Looks good.

Thanks a-lot for that info!

 

[Fardin]

9 minutes ago, rasesh said:

A-lot of cores again leads to Ryzen for the price point but if AMD doesn't have good support for VR for my dad's needs that that just kills everything I had in mind for his build. 

yup agree.. thats why I asked to research how good ryzen works with the specific VM stuff that your dad needs. 

here a slight changed i made. added asus prime b350 plus or get strix b350f if you prefer better aesthetics. asrock is good but yet heard of Vdroop so go with the best known for avoiding unnecessary hassle.    

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.50 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($111.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.25 @ Vuugo) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($76.43 @ DirectCanada) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Memory Express) 
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter  ($46.85 @ DirectCanada) 
Monitor: Acer - G247HYU 23.8" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor 
Keyboard: Turtle Beach - IMPACT 500 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Mouse: Logitech - G403 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse  ($62.19 @ DirectCanada) 
Total: $831.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-17 17:18 EDT-0400

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, Fardin said:

yup agree.. thats why I asked to research how good ryzen works with the specific VM stuff that your dad needs. 

here a slight changed i made. added asus prime b350 plus or get strix b350f if you prefer better aesthetics. asrock is good but yet heard of Vdroop so go with the best known for avoiding unnecessary hassle.    

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.50 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($111.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.25 @ Vuugo) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($76.43 @ DirectCanada) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Memory Express) 
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter  ($46.85 @ DirectCanada) 
Monitor: Acer - G247HYU 23.8" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor 
Keyboard: Turtle Beach - IMPACT 500 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Mouse: Logitech - G403 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse  ($62.19 @ DirectCanada) 
Total: $831.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-17 17:18 EDT-0400

That mobo is good. I'm getting that when i upgrade

[Inversion]

4 minutes ago, Fardin said:

yup agree.. thats why I asked to research how good ryzen works with the specific VM stuff that your dad needs. 

here a slight changed i made. added asus prime b350 plus or get strix b350f if you prefer better aesthetics. asrock is good but yet heard of Vdroop so go with the best known for avoiding unnecessary hassle.    

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.50 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($111.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.25 @ Vuugo) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($76.43 @ DirectCanada) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Memory Express) 
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter  ($46.85 @ DirectCanada) 
Monitor: Acer - G247HYU 23.8" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor 
Keyboard: Turtle Beach - IMPACT 500 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Mouse: Logitech - G403 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse  ($62.19 @ DirectCanada) 
Total: $831.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-17 17:18 EDT-0400

I think he was also set on the case and I'd say get an SSD for boot drive. theyre so important now for the best experience

[rasesh]

5 minutes ago, Fardin said:

yup agree.. thats why I asked to research how good ryzen works with the specific VM stuff that your dad needs. 

here a slight changed i made. added asus prime b350 plus or get strix b350f if you prefer better aesthetics. asrock is good but yet heard of Vdroop so go with the best known for avoiding unnecessary hassle.    

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.50 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($111.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.25 @ Vuugo) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($76.43 @ DirectCanada) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Memory Express) 
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter  ($46.85 @ DirectCanada) 
Monitor: Acer - G247HYU 23.8" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor 
Keyboard: Turtle Beach - IMPACT 500 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Mouse: Logitech - G403 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse  ($62.19 @ DirectCanada) 
Total: $831.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-17 17:18 EDT-0400

 

3 minutes ago, Inversion said:

That mobo is good. I'm getting that when i upgrade

 

That looks great but making dad a Mini-ITX inside of the Ncase M1 Case.

[Fardin]

5 minutes ago, Inversion said:

I think he was also set on the case and I'd say get an SSD for boot drive. theyre so important now for the best experience

right I agree. but he mentioned earlier he has m2 ssd can be used?

 

5 minutes ago, rasesh said:

 

 

That looks great but making dad a Mini-ITX inside of the Ncase M1 Case.

so you are looking for mini-itx mobo? 

[rasesh]

1 minute ago, Fardin said:

right I agree. but he mentioned earlier he has m2 ssd can be used?

 

so you are looking for mini-itx mobo? 

Yes the M.2 can be put behind the mobo.

 

Yes, the only mini-itx for ryzen that's a good fit is the asrock.

Asus & Msi didn't realize ryzen mini-itx mobo's.