Is there any possibility there will be a GTX1080max q/GTX1070 max q pair with i5 8250U and i7 8550U in a ultrabook?

[Alice Anderson]

I think GTX 1080with max q design pair with a i7 8550U will be a nice pair for a ultrabook that can gaming and work.

[Blackhole890]

i think that would be pointless... Ultrabooks are light and fast, no need to fit a 1080 there also it would thermalthrottle over 9000 + unaffordable price so no... I'd rather get asus zephyrus (which this laptop is basically ultrabook, or almost)

Edited August 30, 2017 by TheRandomness

[Alice Anderson]

I personally owned a GX501,I think if the cpu it use is a kabylake R cpu ,it would have better battery life,also would be lighter.

[Alice Anderson]

It would be perfect if there is a 14 inch ultra book that pair with an i7 8550U and a GTX 1080 with max q design.

[Blackhole890]

1 minute ago, Alice Anderson said:

I personally owned a GX501,I think if the cpu it use is a kabylake R cpu ,it would have better battery life,also would be lighter.

then just give a email to asus or any brand... so lets wait a couple of years and see if your idea becomes into something or it will just die like every 99% simple ideas...

[Blackhole890]

2 minutes ago, Alice Anderson said:

It would be perfect if there is a 14 inch ultra book that pair with an i7 8550U and a GTX 1080 with max q design.

and let me remember you that "U" are lower tdp which leads to less performance so it will get bottleneck... You're just pairing the 2nd best performance gpu with a cpu that only consumes "equal as a LED"... Why do you think that there's no good gaming laptop with a cpu that includes "U" letter?

[Blackhole890]

Remember to quote me (or someone else), otherwise we won't going to recieve your answers... (thanks

Edited August 30, 2017 by TheRandomness

[Alice Anderson]

Of course, I remember U is for ulv cpus,but max q also for thin and light and low tdp. For example gtx 1080 max q,90w tgp~110tgp

[Droidbot]

8 minutes ago, Alice Anderson said:

Of course, I remember U is for ulv cpus,but max q also for thin and light and low tdp. For example gtx 1080 max q,90w tgp~110tgp

Still 90+15+mobo+ram = 130W+ power brick, meaning it would have a profile similar to a normal laptop

[TheRandomness]

-Thread moved to Laptops and Pre-Built Systems.
@Blackhole890 Please can you stay away from the obnoxiously large font sizes.

[genexis_x]

5 hours ago, Alice Anderson said:

I think GTX 1080with max q design pair with a i7 8550U will be a nice pair for a ultrabook that can gaming and work.

The TDP of the CPU is suck

When it reaches the TDP limit it will likely throttle and doesn't run at full speed

[Alice Anderson]

But it will have better battery life than a normal gaming laptop that has a GTX1080 in it.

[exercutor5]

11 minutes ago, Alice Anderson said:

But it will have better battery life than a normal gaming laptop that has a GTX1080 in it.

Not if the 1080 powers everything shown on the screen all the time.

[Imglidinhere]

4 hours ago, Alice Anderson said:

But it will have better battery life than a normal gaming laptop that has a GTX1080 in it.

If you're buying a laptop with a 1080 for its battery life, you're clearly very confused.  

[sicily428]

9 hours ago, Alice Anderson said:

I think GTX 1080with max q design pair with a i7 8550U will be a nice pair for a ultrabook that can gaming and work.

not possible. it is a  bottleneck and thermal issues for sure

 

 

[road warrior]

I remember sending a post similar to this one several weeks ago. The point there was coupling a stronger 28 W quad-core ulv (or a ulv with tdp-up) with a 1050 or 1060 at most for people who don't need the power (and heat) of stronger cpu's and also for some reason want to have good graphics power. Also looked into prices and apparently there was not much price difference between u and hq series mobile cpu's, which is not a very good thing for the sake of price/performance.

 

Still, that seems to be an option for thin&light laptops until they bring forth more efficient cooling solutions that can handle stronger cpu's. Early benchmarks show that some of the new ulv chips are almost equal with a 7300hq, if you believe that.

 

I read somewhere about a new Lenovo Legion with 8550u and RX 560 or something like that. But I should say that a quad-core ulv might prove to be a bottleneck even for a 1060 for some scenarios, let alone 1070/1080 max-q.

 

Can @sicily428 @ZM Fong @Imglidinhere @Blackhole890 or whoever knows this stuff explain me why a u-series cpu can reach its designated turbo boost within designated power limits but can't hold it? Is it because of something like thermal throttling or is there some specific hard/software stuff that I miss?

[ErrystioT]

The U series has lower TDP, so when it runs at full load, it might bottleneck the Max-Q GPU inside it. Even with the Max-Q having lower wattage on their end, you also need something of higher wattage to balance it, to prevent bottlenecks.

[Imglidinhere]

@Pendragon I was asked a question I do not know the answer to. Halp. o_o

[Teddy07]

On 29.8.2017 at 11:11 PM, Alice Anderson said:

I think GTX 1080with max q design pair with a i7 8550U will be a nice pair for a ultrabook that can gaming and work.

lol

it´s like saying I want a racing car but it also has to be a monster truck

[Pendragon]

9 hours ago, road warrior said:

I remember sending a post similar to this one several weeks ago. The point there was coupling a stronger 28 W quad-core ulv (or a ulv with tdp-up) with a 1050 or 1060 at most for people who don't need the power (and heat) of stronger cpu's and also for some reason want to have good graphics power.

okay, but there are 35w full non-ulv chips. might as well get those. in fact, most intel cpus can be turned to 35w chips with something like TDP down. 

 

9 hours ago, road warrior said:

Still, that seems to be an option for thin&light laptops until they bring forth more efficient cooling solutions that can handle stronger cpu's. Early benchmarks show that some of the new ulv chips are almost equal with a 7300hq, if you believe that.

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with the best cooling solution with the optimal workload. it shows CLEVO machines, 0 cooling comprise, running Cinebench. So a CPU only synthetic. This is a best case scenario. BEST.

 

9 hours ago, road warrior said:

I read somewhere about a new Lenovo Legion with 8550u and RX 560 or something like that. But I should say that a quad-core ulv might prove to be a bottleneck even for a 1060 for some scenarios, let alone 1070/1080 max-q.

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Not worth it to get an RX460. Just get Pascal. 

 

9 hours ago, road warrior said:

Can @sicily428 @ZM Fong @Imglidinhere @Blackhole890 or whoever knows this stuff explain me why a u-series cpu can reach its designated turbo boost within designated power limits but can't hold it? Is it because of something like thermal throttling or is there some specific hard/software stuff that I miss?

this is where your hopes and dreams will fall apart.

 

Thin-light-ULV-dGPU-Optimus solution. the iGPU will need run to keep everything powered and hence draw into the 15w TDP limit. CPU turbo clocks will drop due to voltage starvation and rip. 

 

Thin-light-ULV-dGPU-GSync solution. Here the iGPU is disabled. Oh wait, no battery life. Back to where we started.

 

Also they can reach designated turbo boosts for short periods of time is normal. Realistically they should be able to sustain it, but often it's either a TDP or a thermal constraint. The emphasis is SHOULD hold. I'm unwilling to believe that Intel was holding so much back that 4 cores will draw less wattage than 2 cores at similar clocks (unless they did in which case well played). 

 

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10395-dell-xps-13-9550-iris-540/

^ read this. you'll see why they should be able to hold turbo boosts, but just thermal and tdp starved. 

[Pendragon]

On 8/29/2017 at 5:11 PM, Alice Anderson said:

I think GTX 1080with max q design pair with a i7 8550U will be a nice pair for a ultrabook that can gaming and work.

no lol plz god no. 

[Alice Anderson]

For mobile gaming,it is a good idea,i think...

[genexis_x]

1 hour ago, Pendragon said:

Also they can reach designated turbo boosts for short periods of time is normal. Realistically they should be able to sustain it, but often it's either a TDP or a thermal constraint.

OP this is my answer for your question:

11 hours ago, road warrior said:

Can @sicily428 @ZM Fong @Imglidinhere @Blackhole890 or whoever knows this stuff explain me why a u-series cpu can reach its designated turbo boost within designated power limits but can't hold it? Is it because of something like thermal throttling or is there some specific hard/software stuff that I miss?

 

[road warrior]

@Pendragon It's not my dream lol, I need tons of cpu power not crippled ulv's. It was just an idea and honestly I'm not a huge fan of it because I see this approach as just an analogue of max-q gpu's. Price is same, performance is less... Might be attractive to certain people, but not for the most. Also that was an idea only taking into account thin and light laptops, not clevo. Thin stuff from clevo is also subject to heat issues as far as I know, but not sure.

 

An i5 mobile is much better than a quad-ulv imo considering all. Especially the new 6-core ones will crush ulv's any time of the day. Probably they will be around 35w you mentioned. So, better all the way unless coupled with a very bad cooling system.

 

Lastly, thanks for the explanation.

[Pendragon]

2 hours ago, road warrior said:

Probably they will be around 35w you mentioned

Most of the newer CPUs can be locked to this tdp level