Ryzen 3 a bit pointless?

[Evolution90]

When locked Haswell i5's can beat them in gaming?

 

 

[m0k]

meh if all you do is game

[LienusLateTips]

It's for content creators

[Evolution90]

Just now, mok said:

meh if all you do is game

 

Just now, JDE said:

It's for content creators

Same core count as the locked i5.

[m0k]

Just now, JDE said:

It's for content creators

lol pls stahp
 

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Evolution90 said:

 

Same core count as the locked i5.

Higher IPC than Haswell.

[Damascus]

Sure a locked haswell i5 can beat it but a 1200 can upgrade to a 1400, 1600,  1700 or whatever else AMD releases on the AM4 platform.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, mok said:

lol pls stahp
 

italics ftw

[Evolution90]

Just now, JDE said:

Higher IPC than Haswell.

Loses to Haswell.

[ARikozuM]

They put the "direct competitor" as the i3-7100 and i3-7300 when the Pentium G4560 melts mops the floor with it for price/performance. 

[Damascus]

Also the msrp on that i5 is 180 vs 110

[Evolution90]

Just now, Damascus said:

Also the msrp on that i5 is 180 vs 110

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SR1QK-Intel-Core-i5-4460-3-20Ghz-socket-CPU-Processor-Working-Pull-CP89-/132280914825?hash=item1ecc8e9389:g:FYYAAOSwBcpZgK8R

[Daniel Z.]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

They put the "direct competitor" as the i3-7100 and i3-7300 when the Pentium G4560 melts mops the floor with it for price/performance. 

only for the intel 2 thread optimized games now.

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

 

Same core count as the locked i5.

Yes but I believe it has more cache etc making it a stronger player in content creation. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Damascus said:

Also the msrp on that i5 is 180 vs 110

G4560 is only $70 and gets about the same performance, i5-7600K matches the R5-1600 + 3200MHz while the i7-7700K blows the 1700 in gaming and CAD editing, but not rendering. 

[Evolution90]

Just now, Damascus said:

Yes but I believe it has more cache etc making it a stronger player in content creation. 

No one buys R3 for content creation or an i5 for that matter.

 

Can grab a locked i5 and cheapo board for less or the same money and have better gaming performance.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Evolution90 said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SR1QK-Intel-Core-i5-4460-3-20Ghz-socket-CPU-Processor-Working-Pull-CP89-/132280914825?hash=item1ecc8e9389:g:FYYAAOSwBcpZgK8R

yeah if you compare used vs new you almost always end up with a better deal otherwise who would buy used? so your point is kinda pointless tbh

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

G4560 is only $70 and gets about the same performance, i5-7600K matches the R5-1600 + 3200MHz while the i7-7700K blows the 1700 in gaming and CAD editing, but not rendering. 

blows it away in CAD editing? what is there really to improve in CAD editing because I can tell you right now that for the most part when i have been working with CAD it usually doesn't make a huge difference as long as you have a capable cpu and gpu. 

[Evolution90]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

yeah if you compare used vs new you almost always end up with a better deal otherwise who would buy used? so your point is kinda pointless tbh

It is?

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($169.28 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($42.38 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $211.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-04 01:46 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($78.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $187.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-04 01:46 EDT-0400

[Evolution90]

Even overclocked the R3 does not keep up with that i5.

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

blows it away in CAD editing? what is there really to improve in CAD editing because I can tell you right now that for the most part when i have been working with CAD it usually doesn't make a huge difference as long as you have a capable cpu and gpu. 

Yeah, nobody ever seems to understand that the editing is basically a meaningless difference between decent chips.  Renders matter soooo much more.

[ARikozuM]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

blows it away in CAD editing? what is there really to improve in CAD editing because I can tell you right now that for the most part when i have been working with CAD it usually doesn't make a huge difference as long as you have a capable cpu and gpu. 

Aren't we going for best performance? Or are we just going with "decent for the job"?

[Evolution90]

Just now, Damascus said:

Yeah, nobody ever seems to understand that the editing is basically a meaningless difference between decent chips.  Renders matter soooo much more.

Where both CPU's are really not suited.

 

Most folk with a brain would go i7 or Ryzen 1600.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Evolution90 said:

It is?

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($169.28 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($42.38 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $211.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-04 01:46 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($78.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $187.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-04 01:46 EDT-0400

that is still a 20 dollar difference even when not taking into account that you don't have to buy a b350 chipset motherboard. you are also forgetting that you can get a overclocked higher end cpu in the future with the r3 route and you cant with the i5 if you choose ot get a b350 motherboard so even with the 20 dollar cheaper option it is still a better option when thinking about upgrading in the near future. 

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

It is?

Again, that is a dead and buried chipset.  You can get 2-3 generations of cpus out of a ryzen mobo.