i7 7800X overclocking

[Vizie]

Hello.

 

I just bought a Intel i7 7800X after destroying my last motherboard (which had a i7 4790k) and I'm having trouble with gaming on this as I'm getting lower FPS compared to my old CPU. I tried the "Ez-Tuning" in BIOS on my new motherboard and it did wonders. I got way higher FPS but in CS:GO i got bluescreen a few times so I switched it off. Could anyone here please help me with overclocking my 3.5ghz 7800X to maybe 4 - 4.1 ghz? Thanks in advance.

 

- Vizie

[Shimejii]

Return your CPU and MOBO and get a 7700k and z270 motherboard if you can. If not then theres a few guides up, generally it depends on the cooler on it

[Princess Luna]

Haha a Ryzen 1600 which costs half is better at gaming:

 

 

[Vizie]

1 minute ago, Shimejii said:

Return your CPU and MOBO and get a 7700k and z270 motherboard if you can. If not then theres a few guides up, generally it depends on the cooler on it

Kinda want to try out this platform as I'm sure there will be a way to get good power out of this chip. I'm just unexperienced. I wouldnt know where to search for OC guides as I've never been a "overclocker"

[Shimejii]

Just now, Vizie said:

Kinda want to try out this platform as I'm sure there will be a way to get good power out of this chip. I'm just unexperienced. I wouldnt know where to search for OC guides as I've never been a "overclocker"

what is your CPU cooler?

[Vizie]

Just now, Shimejii said:

what is your CPU cooler?

NZXT Kraken x42

[Shimejii]

Just now, Vizie said:

NZXT Kraken x42

your probably not going to be able to Overclock that much on skylakex then, most chips are Extreemly hot and require a 240 at least, but you can try 

and do something similar. 

[Vizie]

Just now, Shimejii said:

your probably not going to be able to Overclock that much on skylakex then, most chips are Extreemly hot and require a 240 at least, but you can try 

and do something similar. 

Yeah, I heard that aswell. Thing is when I used the "Ez-Tune" and got 4.27Ghz i was chilling at like 40-45C when gaming which is nothing  

[Max_Settings]

Yeah sadly you picked not a good gaming CPU, you might not be able to overclock to 4.1-4.2 at all if you lost the silicon lottery. The 7700K would of been a much better choice for gaming, nothing faster than it in games.

[VagabondWraith]

I summon @done12many2 He can get you up and running.

[Vizie]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

Yeah sadly you picked not a good gaming CPU, you might not be able to overclock to 4.1-4.2 at all if you lost the silicon lottery. The 7700K would of been a much better choice for gaming, nothing faster than it in games.

just felt like going backwards to buy something old if you get me

[Vizie]

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

I summon @done12many2 He can get you up and running.

Thank you! 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, Vizie said:

just felt like going backwards to buy something old if you get me

Well what yo bought we not old, that's the latest stuff, it's just that X299 is not good for gaming, Z270 is better for gaming.

[Vizie]

Btw. My RAM is supposed to run at 3200mhz but it was running at 2166. In BIOS I just set the frequency to 3200mhz. It isnt anything wrong with that right?

[VagabondWraith]

10 minutes ago, Vizie said:

Thank you! 

I have the 7820X but he's much more technical than me. He'd be able to help you get your rig up to spec and running.

[Vizie]

Just now, VagabondWraith said:

I have the 7820X but he's much more technical than me. He'd be able to help you get your rig up to spec and running.

Thats awesome. Also do you know just fast before I fry my RAM. Setting just frequency to 3200mhz is ok right? As its rated for that.

[VagabondWraith]

1 minute ago, Vizie said:

Thats awesome. Also do you know just fast before I fry my RAM. Setting just frequency to 3200mhz is ok right? As its rated for that.

Yep, that's perfectly fine. The IMC (memory controller) is amazing on these chips. I've seen some people hitting 4266.  I'm going to pick up some new TridentZ Skylake-X memory chips when they come out later this year. ?

[Vizie]

Just now, VagabondWraith said:

Yep, that's perfectly fine. The IMC (memory controller) is amazing on these chips. I've seen some people hitting 4266.  I'm going to pick up some new TridentZ Skylake-X memory chips when they come out later this year. ?

But why would people use "XMP" when you can just choose a speed (that the card can have)?

[VagabondWraith]

1 minute ago, Vizie said:

But why would people use "XMP" when you can just choose a speed (that the card can have)?

XMP is what your memory is rated for out of the factory. Choosing anything higher would be overclocking. Honestly, I've never OC'd memory before. Hell, I just got into CPU overclocking with X299.  That is my next thing to learn though. I'm still getting the basics down of CPU overclocking.  

[Vizie]

5 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

XMP is what your memory is rated for out of the factory. Choosing anything higher would be overclocking. Honestly, I've never OC'd memory before. Hell, I just got into CPU overclocking with X299.  That is my next thing to learn though. I'm still getting the basics down of CPU overclocking.  

Okay. I dont really understand that XMP stuff so I just told my 3200mhz Corsair Vengeance LED to run at 3200mhz cause they were not from factory for some reason.

[Vizie]

2 minutes ago, Wyre said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1450-core-i7-vs-ryzen-5-hexa-core/

 

" If you care at all about value, the Ryzen 5 1600 is clearly the way to go. This is why we recently named it the best value performance desktop CPU. It was unlikely that the Core i7-7800X was going to change that, but we hoped the performance would at least be a compelling reason to buy Intel's new six-core processor.

Ryzen will hit 4GHz with the box cooler but it will be a more mild experience with a $20 aftermarket cooler like the Cooler Master 212, so keep that in mind. The 7800X on the other hand cannot be overclocked to 4.7GHz using a 240mm AIO closed loop solution. Instead, it required a $380 custom loop setup to achieve that result."

 

If you want Intel, go with the 7700k... The 7800x is just not a very good gaming processor. Return the motherboard and CPU, and get something that fits your needs better.

It cannot be that bad dude. There is alot of people who love their X299 builds and I'm going to be that way aswell as soon as I learn a bit about overclocking.

[done12many2]

 

2 hours ago, Vizie said:

It cannot be that bad dude. There is alot of people who love their X299 builds and I'm going to be that way aswell as soon as I learn a bit about overclocking.

 

You'll be fine man.  The 7900X I had was completely fine for gaming.  I also have a very high clocking 7700K and I was more than impressed with 7900X.  Unfortunately, I couldn't stand the BIOS layout of the motherboard I had so I returned it and the CPU and will buy them again once the Asus Apex is released.  

 

Most people commenting have little or no experience with the platform and are simply parroting something they watched in a YouTube video somewhere.  It's the LTT way.  

 

I'll shoot you a PM to see if I can help. 

[Masada02]

2 hours ago, Max_Settings said:

Yeah sadly you picked not a good gaming CPU, you might not be able to overclock to 4.1-4.2 at all if you lost the silicon lottery. The 7700K would of been a much better choice for gaming, nothing faster than it in games.

Psssshhhh. That 7800X should get to 4.6-4.7 easy. Pushing further with start to require some luck.

 

7800X doesn't get hot either. It's only 6 cores. When I had mine (briefy) at 5.0ghz it would draw around 200W in Cinebench. That's not difficult to cool at all. 

 

Gaming performance will be hit and miss until people start updating things for the new cache design. And by "miss" I mean still better than a 1600, but not as good as a 7700K. Also, this really only matters at really high framerates, if you're not there then it's not going to matter.

 

OP, start at 4.5 and 1.3v with AVX -3 and AVX512 -5. Then just up the multiplier until that voltage won't cut it anymore. Once that happens, drop back down to the last multiplier that worked and start reducing voltage from there until you find the point where it becomes unstable.

[TahoeDust]

So much bullshit in this thread.  done12many2 will help get you setup.  

[MageTank]

2 hours ago, Wyre said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1450-core-i7-vs-ryzen-5-hexa-core/

 

" If you care at all about value, the Ryzen 5 1600 is clearly the way to go. This is why we recently named it the best value performance desktop CPU. It was unlikely that the Core i7-7800X was going to change that, but we hoped the performance would at least be a compelling reason to buy Intel's new six-core processor.

Ryzen will hit 4GHz with the box cooler but it will be a more mild experience with a $20 aftermarket cooler like the Cooler Master 212, so keep that in mind. The 7800X on the other hand cannot be overclocked to 4.7GHz using a 240mm AIO closed loop solution. Instead, it required a $380 custom loop setup to achieve that result."

 

If you want Intel, go with the 7700k... The 7800x is just not a very good gaming processor. Return the motherboard and CPU, and get something that fits your needs better.

 

Or grab a Ryzen CPU with even more cores and threads... there are actually too many good choices out there for you to stay with a CPU that had to be overclocked to 4.7GHz to keep up with a mid range R5 1600 @ 4GHz (which it can do with the stock air cooler). The R7 1700 can also do this clock speed but with 8 cores and 16 threads...

 

Careful of bleeding edge tech, sometime you get cut.

I've yet to find a post in this thread where OP stated he only cared about value, so recommending Ryzen over the X299 platform makes little sense to me. The 7700k recommendation makes sense, given the context of gaming, but rather than have him swap platforms, it would make more sense to diagnose why his gaming performance is suffering.

 

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Haha a Ryzen 1600 which costs half is better at gaming:

 

 

I have a Ryzen 1600 with heavily overclocked memory. It loses to my 7700k at stock. I highly doubt it will handle a 7800X that is overclocked even to a modest 4.4. In fact, Digital Foundry released an article showing the 4.4ghz 7800X beating the 1800X in every title they tested: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-skylake-x-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-i7-7800x-i7-7740x

 

Use the chart early on in the article that contains the 7800X, and cross-reference that with the chart later on in the article that contains the 1800X. Both platforms used an 1800X clocked at 3200mhz, so memory bandwidth cannot be blamed (aside from Ryzen's weak memory controller). My point is, the benchmark results provided by Hardware Unboxed doesn't quite seem to match the results obtained by DigitalFoundry, who I consider more indepth given their provision of a frametime analysis. 

 

It would also be interesting to see reviewers provide their specific overclock methodologies. For some reason, reviewers are completely neglecting to overclock the cache on X299, which is an extremely important aspect in overclocking this time around. The new cache mesh is clocked far lower this time around compared to previous Intel architectures. The larger L2 cache, is also slower than Intel's previous L2 caches. Overclocking cache has shown quite a dramatic difference this time around, and I would love to see that explored. I just feel most X299 reviews in general are rushed and nowhere near as thorough as need be. Consumers are certainly getting the short end of the stick as a result.